Toyguru Mattycollector.com MOTUC News Thread October 2011

[slackrguy]

Re: The Illumina Answer

At least he mentioned he-man.org which may increase site traffic. The increase in new people coming here means they will likely get introduced to characters like Illumina, Goat-Man, Lodar, etc....

So maybe some of these characters who aren't well known, such as Illumina, will get new fans. I had no idea who she was before joining the .org, and I support her inclusion into the line.

*this concludes my glass-half-full moment*

[Skystalker]

First of all, Scott, the self-proclaimed writer REALLY needs to proof-read. Though this is more a grammar thing than anything else.

When speaking, rather defensively, about the use of Photog in the bios:


It's "Sure, We could have..."



This is a major point.

He can keep verbally alienating us this way because he knows we are so dedicated. We will keep buying the toys.

I would encourage people to write Mattel corporate and bring this kind of language to light. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that he's not wooing the customers; instead, he's being abrasive. That is NOT a brand manager's job.

Scott just doesn't appear to understand the long-term ramifications of his alienation of the customers.

The Org is a major reason MOTUC was such a success, at least initially.
He has to know that.

Secondary market buyers are also likely a major customer base.
Scott will never be able to make the Org or it's members go away.

He works for us in a way. We buy the toys. . His personal issues with the owners of the Org should have nothing to do with MOTUC.

All we need do is stop buying the toys, and BOOM, yet another of TG's toy lines fails.

He's under a LOT of pressure right now. Mattel isn't happy with the failure if the GL toy line, or the handling of DC infinite heroes or Retro Action (a line that is dead on Mattycollector because the brand manager loaded it with characters he wanted).

I think you are reading too much into Scott's interaction with the org.

[Tallstar]

I just don't like that we're really not being treated like customers any more.

[RockinHard]

I like it when TG bends me over his knee and slaps me around like a bad little toy collector.

[markatisu]

Wait people have a problem with the wings? I did not notice anything wrong with them at PowerCon. I learn something new everyday

[Dark Sorceress]

252 and counting!

327 and counting!

[MegaGearMax]

I always figured that Mattel was going to limit the Filmation figures down to the most wanted characters, rather than everyone and their mother. It's similar to MYP characters. So far, we have Count Marzo, Keldor, Chief Carnivus, King Grayskull, Faceless One, Zodak and Griffin. I guess we have Evilseed, Prahvus, Callix, Azdar, Beldar, Chazdar, Veena, the Oracle, Ceratus, Kulatak and Dactyus to go.

I'd see Scorpia, Octavia, Imp, Madame Razz w/ Broom, Sea Hawk, Masque, Shokoti, Plundor, Fang Man, Icer, Strong Arm, Kittrina and Lizard Man definitely making it. I wonder if they are counting Jetlag among that number? If so, add Master Sebrian, Mara, Ambassador Mara, Drissi, Caz, Crita, Queen Crita, Gleep, UR, and the 4 Scientists pak.

Wait people have a problem with the wings? I did not notice anything wrong with them at PowerCon. I learn something new everyday

I don't think it's really serious, but people have been noticed that the wings should have been brown and maybe keep the undersides gray, not have the entire wing gray.

[Dark Sorceress]

I like it when TG bends me over his knee and slaps me around like a bad little toy collector.

oh you nasty boy

[Heli88]

Dear Toyguru,

Myself and 4,999 other fans would like Ram Man.

Based on this, I can only assume that he will be the next figure announced.

Looking forward to NYCC,

Heli

[RockinHard]

Dear Toyguru,

Myself and 4,999 other fans would like Ram Man.

Based on this, I can only assume that he will be the next figure announced.

Looking forward to NYCC,

Heli

And I say Amen!

Gray wings are just wrong!!!! If you want a figure to "pop" more on the shelf buy the custom Disco Skeletor.

I feel the same frustration. Those wings should be brown, maybe with grey highlights.

oh you nasty boy

If only I could find a girl to show me what a real woman is all about . . .

[mick4metal]

This Illumina thing is getting old REAL FAST!!! There are going to be characters that are not going to make it. DEAL WITH IT!!! There are some I want I know I will never see. As if that is not bad enough you very small group of supporters say that no one wants any of the other characters he used as an example. You must all be new around here because the names he used I have been seeing huge numbers of people make request for ((more than your 271)) years. Support TWIYWIPIATOW.

[Dark Sorceress]

This Illumina thing is getting old REAL FAST!!! There are going to be characters that are not going to make it. DEAL WITH IT!!! There are some I want I know I will never see. As if that is not bad enough you very small group of supporters say that no one wants any of the other characters he used as an example. You must all be new around here because the names he used I have been seeing huge numbers of people make request for ((more than your 271)) years. Support TWIYWIPIATOW.

we passed 271 we are 300+ now
and we are NOT saying that no one wants the others. if you want them fight for them like we are

[bcrduke]

I think you are reading too much into Scott's interaction with the org.

I disagree. But then I have insight into some of this that you might not. I don't conjure the hints I've made all along out of thin air.

But then, on second thought, how does anything I've said in that post relate to reading too much into Scott's relationship with the Org?

I'm talking about his brand-management style, his acerbic tone when talking directly to customers, and the fact that the Org's members were, and continue to be vital to the success of the MOTUC toy line.

[MegaGearMax]

This Illumina thing is getting old REAL FAST!!! There are going to be characters that are not going to make it. DEAL WITH IT!!! There are some I want I know I will never see. As if that is not bad enough you very small group of supporters say that no one wants any of the other characters he used as an example. You must all be new around here because the names he used I have been seeing huge numbers of people make request for ((more than your 271)) years. Support TWIYWIPIATOW.

I think Illumina has more fans than Goat Man does.

The main problem is that TG keeps making excuses that Illumina isn't popular when we've had characters who are just as unknown made in the line. Vikor and Demo-Man were drawings that Mattel owns, just as Illumina is a drawing that Mattel owns. Many fans didn't know who Gygor was until Emiliano revealed him. We barely were aware of him to ask for him before he got a figure. As opposed to some fans who have been wanting an Illumina figure since they saw her in 2003.

[Count Marzo]

This Illumina thing is getting old REAL FAST!!! There are going to be characters that are not going to make it. DEAL WITH IT!!! There are some I want I know I will never see. As if that is not bad enough you very small group of supporters say that no one wants any of the other characters he used as an example. You must all be new around here because the names he used I have been seeing huge numbers of people make request for ((more than your 271)) years. Support TWIYWIPIATOW.

I agree with Mr infamous non-Matty Apologist for once.

I think Illumina has more fans than Goat Man does.

That's debatable and probably very close. They are both the only characters from their respective books that people want and have a chance of being made. Goat-Man has been known for a lot longer though being in the Golden Books from the 80s. I consider anything from our 80s childhood era more important than anything from the 2002 era in this line called MOTU Classics.

[bcrduke]

The demand for a list of 5000 individual committed buyers for Illumina has made me, ONCE AGAIN, a bit disenchanted by Mattel.

Heck, I even tried to like Spector. I'm still trying. In that thread where so many people were lashing out at Scott, I, of all people, said that, even though I didn't care for the design of Spector, I still believed Scott deserved the chance to contribute a figure to the line.

I just wish he were a bit more appreciative of his main customer base. He alienated cherry-pickers two weeks ago. Now he's alienating the Org members, many of which are loyal subscribers. We all are incredibly patient, but we have our limits.

I spend a giga-ton of money on Mattel products each year. I would like TG to consider Illumina in the same manner he considers Vikor, Demo-Man, the Wind Raider Pilot, Gygor, He-Ro, The Star Sisters, Goat Man, etc.

Putting Illumina out sooner rather than NEVER does not preclude any other character from being made. It only delays a character by a month. Ain't no big deal.

[SLO-MAN]

Vikor and Demo-Man were drawings that Mattel owns, just as Illumina is a drawing that Mattel owns.

Key difference is Vikor, Demo-Man and Gy-Gor were done in-house by Mattel employees, while Illumina was done outside of Mattel. They were also done over 30 years ago. Age and the fact they originiated in-house probably makes them more endearing to Mattel.


Also, while Scott is Brand Manager, he may not have a say in the matter.
Now I'm no expert, but I imagine a Brand Manager might be the same as an Editor in publishing, which means he has an Editor-In-Chief above him. Add legal and there we go.
It's easy to say "Mattel is a huge corporation, they don't care what gets released, so it's Toyguru's fault". But what if it isn't. There could easily be someone above Scott, who may have an issue with Illumina.
We have too little information to really understand the whole issue. People are signaling out Scott, but in my opinion they are just pointing fingers and accusing with mere guesses and no proof to their claims.

[MegaGearMax]

That's debatable and probably very close. They are both the only characters from their respective books that people want and have a chance of being made. Goat-Man has been known for a lot longer though being in the Golden Books from the 80s. I consider anything from our 80s childhood era more important than anything from the 2002 era in this line called MOTU Classics.

Not always.

A throwaway Evil Warrior in a Golden Book versus a 200X character who was written to have done meaningful stuff? That's like comparing the barely there vintage Zodac to the "I've actually done stuff" 200X Zodak.

[markatisu]

OK guys its that time to once again remind you that while we indulge a lot, lets keep past arguments, references to past events of bad blood, and personal insults directed at Scott out of this thread.

If people can't place nice we will have to take further measures, there comes a point where it borders on ridiculous and its vastly approaching that time.

Thanks!

[zodak74]

Key difference is Vikor, Demo-Man and Gy-Gor were done in-house by Mattel employees, while Illumina was done outside of Mattel. They were also done over 30 years ago. Age and the fact they originiated in-house probably makes them more endearing to Mattel.


Also, while Scott is Brand Manager, he may not have a say in the matter.
Now I'm no expert, but I imagine a Brand Manager might be the same as an Editor in publishing, which means he has an Editor-In-Chief above him. Add legal and there we go.
It's easy to say "Mattel is a huge corporation, they don't care what gets released, so it's Toyguru's fault". But what if it isn't. There could easily be someone above Scott, who may have an issue with Illumina.
We have too little information to really understand the whole issue. People are signaling out Scott, but in my opinion they are just pointing fingers and accusing with mere guesses and no proof to their claims.

Can I get an "Amen"!

[bcrduke]

There is a difference between attacking someone's character and criticizing his job performance. I participate in the latter.

No problem. I'm not being snarky. I'm just not a big fan of Scott's way of managing this line, or of his stewardship of Mattycollector and its toy lines. As a long-time Mattel customer, neither has been ideal, in my opinion.

Best of luck to Lt. Spector and the rest of us. Hopefully MOTUC will last long enough for us to see Illumina and Goat Man and Ram Man and Sweet Bee.

[markatisu]

There is a difference between attacking someone's character and criticizing his job performance. I participate in the latter.

No problem. I'm not being snarky. I'm just not a big fan of Scott's way of managing this line, or of his stewardship of Mattycollector and its toy lines. As a long-time Mattel customer, neither has been ideal, in my opinion.

Best of luck to Lt. Spector and the rest of us. Hopefully MOTUC will last long enough for us to see Illumina and Goat Man and Ram Man and Sweet Bee.

I hope we at least get Sweet Bee and Ram Man, I won't shed a tear for Goat Man

[davidlogan]

If you're getting tired of hearing people say they want a certain character in the MOTUC line...perhaps a MOTUC forum isn't the best place to spend your time reading. Because that will never change.

[Reboot]

Are there really thirty Filmation characters that 5,000 fans want?

5k would be, what, <0.1% of those who watched the Filmation He-Man & She-Ra cartoons? Something like that anyway.

It'd be >30% of the NA orders for MVC-MotU v3 #3.

[Count Marzo]

Not always.

A throwaway Evil Warrior in a Golden Book versus a 200X character who was written to have done meaningful stuff? That's like comparing the barely there vintage Zodac to the "I've actually done stuff" 200X Zodak.

"Barely there" vintage Zodac to the "actually done stuff" 200x Zodak?