Reply With QuoteGreat post.
Well, TG pretty much cleared up what the subscribers will be getting for the
2nd quarterly variant. No new head, no arm cannon, etc.
Now I guess we'll just have to wait and see what magic the 4H will do with their "2nd crack" at the SMAA sculpt. At least they realized there was need to jazz up the figure for the fans, albeit with reused parts due to Mattel's cost-cutting with this variant, hence their request for a 2nd try on the sculpt.
But just to further set the record straight, did TG ever mention if SMAA will also come with the 1st release MAA weapons other than the mace?
Great post.
I'm having a mental lapse...was King Grayskull 2.0 part of the sub?Originally Posted by Darkspecter
Also, King Grayskull was requested as a re-issue on a normal card because everyone outside of the US and Canada could not purchase the first King Grayskull (not to mention the MANY from the US and Canada who missed out on him or didn't know about MOTUC at the time). King Grayskull is a bad example to mention in the first place.
I don't think he was...but I could be mistaken.
And...to fill out the Snake Men ranks...our second figure is a Man-At-Arms variant? It goes "King Hssss...and then Snake Man-At-Arms." That would be like doing Hordak...and then a year later giving us Evil Horde hypnotized Adora...with nothing but different paint on the eyes and a Horde Bat symbol...(while we still wait for Grizzlor, Catra, Leech, Mantenna, etc.)
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I totally get TG's post - apart from the whole getting more MAA variants - I don't need anymore personally.
Having said that, I did think Snake MAA isn't a bad variant - yes, he could have had some more stuff with him - but really - it doesn't bother me much now.
I'm looking forward to him - now that he's explained how he will fit in with the Snakemen and the future storyline.
Shall we put this one to bed now? Its obvious we're not going to get anything more out of the figure - maybe a robotic limb here or there.
Let's concentrate on something else
Im even more frustrated now after reading Toygurus explanation. Well done again.
Only one of anybody.
Ugh @ them having 'quite a few' MAA variants planned.I hate how the variant slots are now seemingly being reserved for the most 'important' characters, even though this information is contrary to what was said in previous Q & As. At one point, I'm pretty sure Mattel said they considered all the characters A-list as well.
That's correct, KG 2.0 was not part of the sub. None of the quarterly variants for 2010 were.
To date the only quarterly variants that have been part of the sub are BA Skelly, BG Teela, BG Evil Lyn, and Hurricane Hordak. There is also the upcoming Thunder Punch He-Man and now Snake Man-At-Arms.
If I'm not mistaken that's all of them.
Ah yes...that's right. Thanks for clearing that up!
This is just like Battleground Evil-Lyn. "We'll keep trying until we get her right." I think Mattel is starting to become overconfident about the power of the line. Making a bunch of halfhearted 200X variants could convince even more fans not to sign up for the subscription next year. If 2013's sub is even lower, I hope Mattel has the Horde Trooper army builder ready to take up the slack. They are going to need it.
Mattel should get the 200X variants right the first time. You want fans to be excited about getting these versions of the characters, not turned off. Now we're going to suffer a bunch of misfire attempts before we get the figure that we should have gotten in the first place.
It's not just A-listers. At first it was, but not anymore. That was MY question that he answered.Ugh @ them having 'quite a few' MAA variants planned.
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Yep, 200x variants beyond the major costume change variants that Toy Guru has long said are possible (Randor, Evil-Lyn, Sorceress) will push me away from subscribing.
I'm glad TG cleared up the SMAA variant chatter and explained again how the quarterly variants work and fit into the line. I'm excited to be getting the SMAA variant - it looks awesome!
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Wait, what? More Man-at-Arms variants? Really? Do they think that's a good idea after SMAA's carnage?
MOTUC wants: Modulok, Entrapta, Scorpia, Madame Razz, Sea Hawk, Spinnerella, Double Trouble, Glimmer, Angella, Sweet Bee, Mermista, Flutterina, Perfuma, Peekablue, Kowl, Loo-Kee, Huntara, Two-Bad, Extendar, Tung Lashor, Sssqueeze, Kayo, Darius, Drissi, Hydron, Sebrian, Flogg, Crita, Hoove, Staghorn, Crystoll, Quakke, Chef Allen
Great .org transactions: sdilks, Man-E-Toys, bigassbuzz, Climan
Well, there's been no cranage yet. If the figure doesn't sell, then there may be some carnage...
It depends on the figure. A MAA with the arm cannon and unhelmeted head would be better received than the Snake MAA figure, just like a 200X Evil-Lyn with her 200X tunic and skirt would be better received than the last one.Wait, what? More Man-at-Arms variants? Really? Do they think that's a good idea after SMAA's carnage?
The problem is enduring the BS figures in order to get the ones we want. And if that's so, then there are going to be alot more cherry pickers for fear of getting saddled with halfhearted variants.
What's next? A 200X Adam using the He-Man buck, instead of making him a smaller teen buck? "There will be plenty of opportunities to do Adam again. After all, he is a popular character."
You just guessed next years August figure. Congratulations!!!
I'd consider the multiple topic frenzy around here (and elsewhere) as plenty of carnage. *shrug* It's getting near Spector levels if it hasn't already.
I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm fine with Snake-Man-at-Arms, the figure; if he weren't a small slice of the 200X mythos and where that could have gone, he'd be a pass. I do think, however, it's a huge mistake to not give people an extra incentive to pick the figure up, like the 200X ponytail head, cannon, or even a regular-looking MAA head. Like I said in a different topic, they have to be planning a reg. MAA rerelease alongside this; if not, that is a huge wasted opportunity.
Last time, I could defend BGEL as just a bridge figure. This time, unless you are really into snake variants (seems like the majority isn't), he just seems like a BS figure and an ill omen of the future.
That last part? That's another of those phrases that irritate me, like "if and when". I can now add "there will be plenty of opportunites" and "after all, he (she/it) is a popular character".
MOTUC wants: Modulok, Entrapta, Scorpia, Madame Razz, Sea Hawk, Spinnerella, Double Trouble, Glimmer, Angella, Sweet Bee, Mermista, Flutterina, Perfuma, Peekablue, Kowl, Loo-Kee, Huntara, Two-Bad, Extendar, Tung Lashor, Sssqueeze, Kayo, Darius, Drissi, Hydron, Sebrian, Flogg, Crita, Hoove, Staghorn, Crystoll, Quakke, Chef Allen
Great .org transactions: sdilks, Man-E-Toys, bigassbuzz, Climan
for me, it's less about tooled parts and more about the variant looking different. TRU mer-man is a more desired variant than SMAA because he looks a lot different than the original mer-man. Same with BGEV.Toyguru is REALLY downplaying the newly tooled parts in his latest reply. Here's the real count:
Keldor: head, cape, acid vial, two boot feet = 5 new pieces
King Grayskull 2.0: orb, two newly designed sword halves, removable cape (not a new tool, but something KG 1.0 could not do and a bunch of people bought him to be 200X He-Man) = 3 new pieces
Battle Armour He-Man: front armour, back armour, 3 chest plates = 5 new pieces.
The average new pieces per figure based solely on Toyguru's example = 4.3 new pieces per figure. Snake Man-At-Arms has 2 new pieces. He needs 1-2 more to be on par with those examples...
Also, King Grayskull was requested as a re-issue on a normal card because everyone outside of the US and Canada could not purchase the first King Grayskull (not to mention the MANY from the US and Canada who missed out on him or didn't know about MOTUC at the time). King Grayskull is a bad example to mention in the first place.
paint the armor silver, and i'm happy. use roboto or whiplash parts and i'm...satisfied. i mean, at least he would look different.
And yet is only a single figure in the 2012 sub, I know I can live with one of these a year, it's still an incredible head sculpt on the already amazing Man-At-Arms figure.
And yes I think the Battleground Evil-Lyn were getting this year is an incredible repaint with excellent extras.
i agree, but it feels like i'm buying a head for $32 ($20 + s/h).
I wouldn't mind a little Carnage in MOTUC...
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That is exactly my feeling.
I can't understand those here who are satisfied or pleased by Scott's post. He talks about it all as though we're a bit slow.
It's a $32 head and ring (and yes, we should add the tax and shipping because we actually have to pay those costs).
Imagine if they had released the Alcala Skeletor head on a Skeletor body (with no changes, except maybe differently colored cross-bones) and his half-power sword.
That is what this feels like.
The example of TRU Mer-Man is a great one. A clever repaint. Yes, also expensive, but worth it to me. It looks almost completely different than regular Mer-Man.
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A Want List of Sorts:
Rokkon, Stonedar, Nepthu, Plundor, Sea Hawk, Strong-Arm, Dactys, Horde Troopers, Storm, Geldor, Modulok, Battle Ram, Kowl, Loo-Kee, Hydron, Glimmer, Eldor, Two Bad, Ninjor, Rio Blast, Mermista, Entrapta, Sweet Bee, Peekablue, Flutterina, Gorpo, Flogg, Crimson Fury, Songster, Lodar, Kex Queen, Goat Man, Darius, Uncle Montork, Dree-Elle
It's once crappy figure, but is it the last? We need to nip it in the bud.
Bingo!That is exactly my feeling.
I can't understand those here who are satisfied or pleased by Scott's post. He talks about it all as though we're a bit slow.
It's a $32 head and ring (and yes, we should add the tax and shipping because we actually have to pay those costs).
Imagine if they had released the Alcala Skeletor head on a Skeletor body (with no changes, except maybe differently colored cross-bones) and his half-power sword.
That is what this feels like.
The example of TRU Mer-Man is a great one. A clever repaint. Yes, also expensive, but worth it to me. It looks almost completely different than regular Mer-Man.
People need to show with their wallets. No, this won't end the line if you don't purchase this figure. The line is too strong for them to just end with one misfire. The subscription-ers will still get them a profit...but the cherry-pickers need to make this one shelf-warm. (Either that, or purchase on Ebay!) Yes, I'll, at this time, promote ebay purchases. I have a feeling that many subscriptioners will be ok with parting with this figure for cost.
If this figure is a success...it will mean that it's ok to continue to give us "variants" like this.
Exactly.
- Battleground Evil-Lyn is 50/50 (half are EXTREMELY unhappy with her, the other half are okay with her...if they did her the way the extremely unhappy fans wanted her, everyone would be happy though...)
- Snake MAA = not many fans (from the sounds of things). Two more pieces (ponytail head and arm canon) would have made a WORLD of difference.
Characters need to have something more to sell them. Snake MAA is basically like how Mattel handled the Ghostbuster figures: new head, new accessory, repaint. Those...haven't fared so well...
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