For the BIG differences (like Castaspella, Kowl and Queen Angella) I would like to see variants of them eventually.
Also, thumbs up for PrinceAdam101's post!
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The way I've made sense of it is this way:
How would any of the characters have been released in the vintage line? Filmation does not make a character that appeared on the She-Ra show POP. Does that mean that Hordak, Rattlor, Tung Lashor and Snout Spout are POP? No. The She-Ra show was used to promote BOTH MOTU and POP toy lines - so you have to look at which line the character was released in.
So, the Horde characters Hordak, Leech, Mantenna, etc are MOTU characters. Catra has the dubious honor of being BOTH a Horde character AND a POP character - she is a Horde member in the mini comics, even though only Horde Troopers showed up in the mini comics. Entrapta obviously falls in this character.
Shadow Weaver (and this is educated speculation) would most likely have been released in the MOTU line, along with Scorpia and Octavia. Octavia was actually designed for the MOTU line, and SW and Scorpia do not fit the pretty doll model that is apparent in the POP vintage line. It would have made sense to provide Hordak with his own "Evil-Lyn". Also, villains were not popular in the POP line - we don't want girls to be bad, do we?
Horde Prime, IF he had a figure released would have been a MOTU Horde figure.
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I never really thought about this much until I read this thread! HA!
Thank you Toyguru for your responses, you brought light to the issue.
They're gonna mess with everyone and realease a MOTUC POP 11 pack in 2013 and put it in the sub so they can do them all at once and charge everyone $242 for them..plus a regular sub figure $22 .... $264 in one month, and $40 in shipping because it will be the largest MOTUC pack ever sold plus the single monthly figure, did I mention it will be in December, just in time for Christmas?..and because of that the sub will be $800 in 2013...Then they'll be like here's you friggin POP..take that....
Then make you wait for the last few in 2015.
I do want to see the other girls, and what they'd look like...I like Castaspella from what pics I've seen of her....I don't mind buying POP...I actually like the Girls of MOTUC...now where's my calendar....
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yay for more POP in 2012!!!!
I think we have gotten a decent amount of POP lately and I'm happy about that. I just really want to get the ball rolling on the main members of the great rebellion. To go so long without Glimmer is an injustice. And the Star Sisters are amazing (love them) but we really need the 15 remaining vintage POP figures to start coming or they'll never making it through them all. Shadow Weaver is a great figure and I'm glad we are getting her but I wouldnt mind them holding off on other Filmation characters (Sea Hawk, Scorpia) until they give us some vintage girls. To get more of them before Glimmer just wouldnt seem right.
And to consider Horde Prime a POP figure...makes my head spin.
But I genuinely happy with the upcoming POP girls and the recent additions, so I cant complain. But one or more POP in 2012 would make me a very happy camper. Especially if it was one of the more prominent members of the great rebellion that also had a vintage figure.
More POP in 2012 is fantastic and I'm hoping well see Frosta and Glimmer. The bottom line is this, the line has been going for years and years now and my Great Rebellion shelf has 3 She-Ra variants (Adora, She-Ra, BP She-Ra), Swifty and Bow.
NO Glimmer, NO Castaspella, NO Queen Angella, NO Mermista, NO Frosta, NO Netossa = not good enough. Get these POP characters into the line. It's not like there not popular fan requested characters because they are!
I'm very interested to see what other POP stuff comes in 2012 and I hope it's not Sea Hawk (not yet anyway).
I'm glad there's not more PoP as is. Too many next year. I am glad though Toyguru tries to answer questions for people, though it usually just makes people more mad. Probably be better off if he didn't.
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In the response in the OP, you are contradicting yourself. "PoP has seen more than Horde, NA..." but then you say you include Horde in how many PoP we have gotten. Does not compute.
I also really wish you would stop referring to Star Sisters as "wow you guys got 3 figures", unless you add to that statement, "that no one really ever asked for, especially with all the missing members of the Great Rebellion".
It's going into the fourth year of the line, and we have only seen ONE Member of the Great Rebellion - Bow. Two if you count Adora (but that would be cheesy, as she is a Super-A-Lister).
You keep trying to convince us that we have what we are asking for. We don't. And it's not that complicated - we want to start seeing members of the Great Rebellion. You started with the one sole male member (literally and figuratively, LOL). Why the constant word games? We want Glimmer, Frosta, Mermista...you know what we are talking about. I can't figure out what bothers me more - that we haven't gotten them, or we get word games and run-around as to why.
They are prototypes, and although mentioned here and there were NOT fan demanded.
We are not getting 3 PoP figures, we are getting 3 Prototypes. That no one really significantly asked for.
I don't mind them, but they are not the characters fans are talking about. It's like having breakfast and asking for bacon with your meal and getting sausage, being told "Well, it's a meat product".
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Uh, seeing as how the Horde are She-Ra villians, why would they not be considered the POP line?
Can someone PM me the US number for Matty? I want to talk to someone who might has a clue of what is going on.
Evil will always triumph because good is dumb.
Also, nobody EVER considers the Horde to be PoP until PoP fans start clamoring for representation. Then, suddenly, we are told that we've "had PLENTY of representation, because, um, er, well....oh! The Horde! Yes, that's right! You have the Horde!"
The Horde is a scapegoat and a poor justification for the lack of Rebel presence in this line.
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PoP Variants are part of the vintage line, too! Starburst She-Ra, Shower Power Catra, and Scratchin' Sound Catra for 2015!!!
I don't think ToyGuru was making light of people's concerns, as much as trying to break the tension. Let's face it - if he didn't put those smiley faces in his replies, folks would take everything he says twice as seriously.specifically the bolded part. no where did clawdeen state rumors were keeping her up at night. these cute jokey responses are really not needed.
I'm glad to see him comment specifically on POP. It's important that we stay on his radar especially as the line moves forward. That said, I think we're going to get what we're going to get. I'm not expecting this line to still be around in eight years, allowing for all the following:
*deep inhale* Castaspella, Castaspella vintage style, Huntara, Glimmer, Glimmer vintage style, Kowl, Madamme Razz, Broom, Angella, Angella vintage style, General Sunder, Sea Hawk, Frosta, Hordak Filmation style, Scorpia, Octavia, Sweet Bee, Peekablue, Entrapa, Loo-Kee, Mermista, Spirit and Adora 2.0 (cause I'm NOT giving up on her!)
Seeing as how they're also trying to do Snake Men and NA and obscure comic book ciphers , that list is not likely to all get made. I'd love it if it would, so it's great to remind him that POP stuff is in high demand...
I think they keep SCOTT up at night
Though, he should be glad of them. They keep people talking and excited!
I DO think Scott is aware of the importance and support for characters like Angella, Glimmer, Mermista, Castaspella, and Frosta, and even Sweet Bee, Entrapta, Perfuma, Double Trouble, Spinnerella, Peekablue, Netossa, and Flutterina.
At least, I'd HOPE he's aware of the support.
For example, I'd hope he wouldn't bump a character like Glimmer in favor of another male Rebeliion character just because the Star Sisters didn't receive a resounding cheer of support across the board (even though they did at SDCC).
Madame Razz, Kowl, and Loo-Kee fall into another category of specialized pack-ins... I guess.
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A Want List of Sorts: Saurod, Buzz-Saw Hordak, Dragstor, Perfuma, Dare, Snake Mountain, Prahvus, Veena, King Chuboolu, Flying Fists He-Man, Terror Claws Skeletor, Point Dread & The Talon Fighter... and all the other POP & NA characters.
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I want a Glimmer by the end of 2012 and Extendar by 2013!
MotU: Rokkon, Stonedar, Dragstor, Modulok, Multi-bot, Horde Trooper, DB Skeletor
PoP: Peekablue, Madam Razz, Lighthope, Kowl
NA: Quakke, Sagitarr
MYP: Hawk, Queen Andreenos, Lord Dactys
Mini-Comics: Kex Queen, Tug-of-War Yellow Warrior, King Hiss' Slave Girl
Horde and PoP are all the same to me:
As far as I'm concerned PoP has been:
That's s great start if you compare to 200x where we got She-Ra and Hordak only, and one is a staction, the other a redeco. Granted we're missing biggies like Glimmer, Frosta, Mermista, Scorpia, etc. but it's not like a PoP fan doesn't want a Shadow Weaver. I mean seriously... SHADOW WEAVER!
You know... I don't even care how he's figuring. I want to state *here and now* that I am not a Matty apologist, (and anyone who has been witness to some of my other verbal mushroom clouds about the mismanagement of Mattel can attest to this), but I could give a fetid pair of dingo's kidneys what is released when. I don't pick apart the different toy lines and have the "This one goes here, that one goes there..." mentality. They are simply ALL a part of the Master mythos in some way, shape, of form.
She-Ra was on He-man's show a bunch of times, and He-man showed up a LOT on She-Ra's show. So now is He-man mostly a master and sometimes a member of the great rebellion? What about She-Ra? Is she considered a Master? How do we count them? Forget that they're core characters identified to their respective shows... how do we count them?
It sounds ludicrous when you put it that way, doesn't it?
I don't want to spark any ire here, I'm just making a point. They're all part of the same storyline, and when they come out matters less to me as long as they COME out before the line's demise, which, given it's present success doesn't seem to be any time in the foreseeable future.
So, whatever the faction, sculpt them WELL, pay attention to QUALITY CONTROL, and send them out ON TIME. If they can do that, that's good enough for me!
Long live Masters of the Universe Classics... the all-encompassing storyline of the House of Randor siblings and their universal battle against evil!
He-Man and She-Ra I am an equal fan of.
I mean...in the end the line was started for MOTU, so any inclusion of POP is GREAT!
However, that shinny new WOW factor goes away and the freakout sets in "OMG we have to get these characters NOW before this line goes away".
So far as 200X & NA...this may not be popular, just my opinion, I don't think any of this line should be spent on either. I certainly get that some think none should be spent on POP.
I just think fans should be realalistic...Mattel is going to make more of whatever brings in more money. If it would be NA we would be seeing more NA figures.
I think the line really is about kids of the 80's having this modern collector figure...just like before He-Man made $ so they made one "for girls" to bring in more. It worked in the past and I think they understand it would be foolish not to do it again.
Now...the next POP figure should be MERMISTA!!!!!!!!
As for the different sources, I agree that vintage MOTU, the mini-comics, POP and Filmation are probably the most bankable sources of character choice.
BUT... NA and anything else MOTU-related is special too.
I can only speak from my perspective, but each incarnation of MOTU is now equally special to me because of MOTUC.
I don't know... I just love it all. They are all top sellers to me.
And as much as this will shock EVERYONE...
The little spoiler I heard today about Spector, makes me like him JUST a TINY TINY bit.
But ONLY because MOTU makes his inclusion in the mythos better than the reason for his creation.
SO as far as POP goes... I think there is a strong base supporting POP, and then there are a LOT of converts too, because of the 4H, and because of the same reason Spector is growing on me.
Id like to avoid another 'Star sisters' style snafu, by knowing for 100% certain that the 4h have seen ALL versions before sculpting/painting!
especially with Double Trouble, Id love to think that she could come in Magenta,Blue and Silver like the u-matics!
I love her Vintage Green, But -IMO- her proto colors were superior, and since shes a 'clean slate' in regards to Cartoon versions, maybe the alternate Colors could help sell her as a Villian again!
...well I can dream!
But NO Horde Bat sculpted on her!!!!!
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Agree with Toyguru....we should'nt be unhappy for getting less pop figures,actually we got 4 pop figure for the beginning of the 2012 year and that's means more than others factions(snake men,na,200x,comics)
No matter if they are from Great rebbelion,evil horde and whatever...
they are all pop.
No they aren't. That's not correct. The Horde were villains on the POP cartoon show, and were originally developed to be used as She-Ra's main villain, but they were sold as MOTU figures.
Leech was not a vintage POP toy.
The Star Sisters appeared on one episode of the Filmation She-Ra cartoon, and were prototypes that never made it to production in the vintage POP line. So, they are as He-Ro and Gygor are to the vintage MOTU line.
Shadow Weaver was not a vintage POP toy. She was only on the She-Ra cartoon... so, if she is POP, then the first time she'd be sold under the "Princess of Power" banner would be in this line, and she will have a Horde Sticker.
Bubble Power She-Ra was a POP figure.
Frankly, if we get Angella and she is PURELY the Filmation design, then she isn't POP either... at least not vintage POP.. she's MOTUC POP.
It's all semantics.
For people that don't want icky girl characters redesigned and redefined in an amazing way in the MOTUC line, there has been "too much" POP.
For those who don't think that the female characters from the POP toy line are a liability, there hasn't been enough representation.
What's actually kind of cool about this line is that characters like Leech and Snout Spout can be considered MOTU/POP or POP/Horde, etc.
Maybe the stickers were a bad idea?
So does this mean you will bump Frosta Scott since everyone knows she's the POP slot you mentioned?