I remove the figures from the blister so I can play with them. Whatever the sticker says on the package means nothing to me... But I will say:
Shadow Weaver is Evil Horde
Catra is Evil Horde
Horde Prime is kind of a no brainer.
I don't believe Mattel CARES about 'Factions'. The stickers were a FAN suggestion, and the breakdown is bit problematic. Is Catra PoP? Yes. Is she horde? Yes. Is she vintage?? Certainly... She was on the shelves the same time as ninjor and King Hiss...
What about Hordak?? He's she-ra's main enemy, instrumental in her origin, and was in every episode of her series? Most of the girls I knew who collected She-ra... ALSO bought the Horde.
They're as much PoP as they are MOTU...
Toyguru even said:If he/they consider both Space mutants and Galactic Protectors to both be NA.... then logically... PoP, Catra, Sea hawk, Shadow Weaver and the Horde... would all count as PoP.When you are this specific we may not meet your request right away. This is just simply too specific for us to view the limited slots we have each year. Just like we did not get to both a Space Mutant and a Galactic Protector last year, New Adventures was present. We totally know fans want the main POP ladies and of course we are looking for way to bring them to the line. POP has had more representation then Snake Men, Horde, or New Adventures when you look at everything released thus far. And we know there is a lot more to get to in time. Stay tuned. I promise POP will continue to play an important part in the line.
Everyone has their favorite characters... But I find it silly when I see people say 'We don't have enough Females... we don't have enough PoP.... We don't have enough good guys....
Star sisters?? 3 Pack in january??
Ohhh... ummm.. THey don't count!
Fact remains, the stickers simply don't mean much. Bow is not a princess. The great rebellion doesn't even count in the bios... all the 'cool' people are coming to eternia to fight...
PoP is no longer on eternia.... NA is not in the future... Everything is here... everything is now... It's an ALL ENCLUSIVE line that mixes everything together
Horde characters (as a separate entity from PoP) means MOTU toyline Horde. any PoP toon only horde members are likely PoP first toy or not, sticker or not.
Horde MOTU = Grey Hordak, Mantenna, Leech, Modulok, Multibot, Grizzlor, Mosquitor, Horde Trooprs and Dragstor. (possible That mummy and MAYBE Batros since he was in the MOTU toon)
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I want Frosta, Glimmer, Angella et al as much as the next man, but dealing in hard facts, there are as many Great Rebellion members in February as there are NA characters released/announced in the line, so I really don't get were the hard done to POP fans comments are coming from (and as said, I'm a POP fan myself)
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And by fair, I mean - Mattel shouldn't single-out POP fans for requesting characters from Wave 2, core Rebellion females, etc., as they don't do this with hardcore MOTU fans.
We all know many hardcore vintage MOTU fans wouldn't be too please if Mattel gave us a 2-Pack of Horde Troopers and then basically made it out like those fans had their fill for the year.
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Yeesh...I love how people are insinuating I'm a liar for being confused at how Mattel classified who was Horde and who was PoP. Seriously, what the heck, guys?
Anyway, thank you Toyguru for the clarification. It's appreciated.
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out of 24 figures released... that's about 5-6 last year. And that's including snout spout and a skeletor Varient I never liked...
2011 was NOT a good year for me...
PoP got 4 counting Swifty and Catra.... and NOT counting H. Hordak and Leech...
There just isn't enough slots to make everyone happy
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Very true. This needs to be remembered.With this in mind, you are already getting 3 members of the Great Rebellion in 2012 already, Starla, Jewelstar and Tallstar. Plus the sub exclusive is a POP female. That's already more POP in Q1 then we have done in any previous year in total.
Let me start by saying that if there is a single slot for PoP in the remainder of 2012 and it's filled by Frosta...I'll be pretty much sated for 2012 on PoP heroines.
I really don't care if Mattel doesn't care about factions, WE do (well, a lot of us I gather), and right now, PoP's main set of heroines has not yet appeared in the line and after three years those of us who like them are getting anxious. If the PoP releases were He-Man figures, then we'd have He-Man (She-Ra), Prince Adam (Adora), Teela (Bow), Battle Cat (Swift Wind), Skeletor (Catra), and Evil-Lyn (Shadow Weaver). I'm not sure who equivalents of the Star Sisters would be. He-Ro, Eldor, and Gray? Now those are all cool to get, but after three years, don't tell me it wouldn't start to frustrate fans that Man-At-Arms, Stratos, Man-E-Faces, Buzz Off, Roboto, or Fisto are still all MIA with no hint of change. I'll grant you that some people think of the Horde as PoP, but Hordak, Grizzlor, and Leech were all in the He-Man line and all appeared at least as stactions in 200x, so that's still not the same.
But like I said, for me this is just a matter of hitting the milestone of one non-She-Ra PoP heroine finally. NA only has two figures so far, however I appreciate that they aren't NA He-Man and NA Skeletor but two of the unique supporting characters that identify NA. Imagine if the NA characters released so far were NA He-Man, NA Adam, NA Skeletor, Mara, and Critta...okay, for NA that still sounds spectacular. But still, no Optikk or Flipshot in sight? I think that would start to get some understandable grumbles.
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Why can't we get more of the other factions we got a lot of pop already. Id like more mincomcs or NA or 200x. Enough pop already.
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I'm just trying to get Mattel to understand why some of their comments toward POP fans are unfair. For me, my qualms and confusion were never about the faction stickers. I could care less about that.
Basically what I'm asking for is for Mattel to treat POP like they do MOTU, instead of making excuses. If the slots are so limited, but we can have concept characters like Demo-Man and Vikor, then there should be no problem with getting some toy line versions of POP too.
I'm not saying we have to have 6 regular monthly slots every year devoted to POP, but there should be at least a 3-4 in those plus at least 1 variant and Beast/Multi-Pack item or something along those lines... and they shouldn't all be from ONE area of the world... like all Filmation characters/Filmation looks. That's boring.
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TOYGURU: And as announced there is still more POP coming in the full sub 2012 line. Whether that is a monthly figure or figures or quarterly item or items it could be anything from a good guy/gal, bad guy/gal, rebellion member, filmation character or Josh from the mini comics. What you will get beyond Horde Primw has yet to be revealed. But more POP is coming in 2012.
I could faint!
I know he used his example as a light hearted "anything POP can fit" example in a rolling list line, but it is the very first confirmation that Josh could "conceivably" exist in the mythos. Scott IS the GURU!
I was not planning on asking any questions about Josh for a while, because there are so many ultra-POP fans who are wanting several of the vintage ladies revealed before they seriously consider Etheria's fringe characters. The fan selection character poll came much too early for an uprising.
Somehow, my spirit is uplifted. It's nice having so many MOTU experts to converse with here on the org, but Scott is the one piloting this roller coaster for us. His answer was well thought out and I liked his reassurance on the POP concerns.
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