Prometheus - SPOILERS!

[JonWes]

I watched ALIEN today. I meant to see it before I watched Preometheus as I had gotten the Quardrology on Blu-Ray (the UK edition... it was a good deal), but I had watched it a few months ago so it wasn't a priority. But it's funny watching ALIEN thinking of all the "plot holes" that people keep bringing up for Prometheus. If you really wanted to do it, the same could be said for ALIEN and that's considered a sci-fi masterpiece.

I also found it funny that everyone was calling Vickers a horrible ***** for enforcing quarantine when Ripley (our hero!) does it in the first movie and clearly it's the sensible thing to do.

Also, everyone gets on the Prometheus crew for touching goo and trying to interact with the alien snakes when essentially that's what Kane does when he encounters the first alien pod.

There was an article about Prometheus saying it was a science fiction film that deserved a better audience than modern viewing audiences who seem more concerned with finding supposed "plot holes" than just enjoying and appreciating a movie. I find that a bit hyperbolic, but I almost agree. I don't think it's good to be that dismissive of people's point of view. It's clearly just not working for some people as they leave the theater and not all of those people are picking it apart to death. I think the reality of the film falls somewhere in between.

[Dr Kain]

I saw Prometheus for the third time today and I've gotta say you notice more and more things the more you see it. However, I'm done until it comes out on BD.

Jon, I totally agree. Alien is amazing, but it is no different than Prometheus. Alien only has three memorable characters, one of which is only memorable because he gets the alien bursting through his chest. It leaves things ambiguous, just like Prometheus, as there is no clear origin to what happened on the alien spaceship.

[Heeeere's Olesker!]

I watched ALIEN today. I meant to see it before I watched Preometheus as I had gotten the Quardrology on Blu-Ray (the UK edition... it was a good deal), but I had watched it a few months ago so it wasn't a priority. But it's funny watching ALIEN thinking of all the "plot holes" that people keep bringing up for Prometheus. If you really wanted to do it, the same could be said for ALIEN and that's considered a sci-fi masterpiece.

I also found it funny that everyone was calling Vickers a horrible ***** for enforcing quarantine when Ripley (our hero!) does it in the first movie and clearly it's the sensible thing to do.

Also, everyone gets on the Prometheus crew for touching goo and trying to interact with the alien snakes when essentially that's what Kane does when he encounters the first alien pod.

There was an article about Prometheus saying it was a science fiction film that deserved a better audience than modern viewing audiences who seem more concerned with finding supposed "plot holes" than just enjoying and appreciating a movie. I find that a bit hyperbolic, but I almost agree. I don't think it's good to be that dismissive of people's point of view. It's clearly just not working for some people as they leave the theater and not all of those people are picking it apart to death. I think the reality of the film falls somewhere in between.

Apparently by "a better audience" they are talking about ones that are less discerning and have no problem with distracting plot holes or illogical circumstances and events that diminish the quality of the film as a result of lazy writing. (Darn those of us who can't turn a blind eye to sub-par writing and just "appreciate a movie." )

I don't expect every film to be as tightly written and directed as Glengarry Glen Ross or The Usual Suspects. But I'm not crazy about paying ten bucks for Swiss Cheese. As for me, I've spent enough of my time on this canard, so I'll move on. Have at me. I'm an easy target now that I'm walking away.

[wolfsfang]

ya nearly every movie has plot holes if you look hard enough, or at least characters acting in ways that anyone with half a brain wouldn't act.

Problem with Prometheus is that they were so glaringly obvious. You would have to have watched the movie with blinders on not to notice them and that to me is bad movie making.

[JonWes]

Apparently by "a better audience" they are talking about ones that are less discerning and have no problem with distracting plot holes or illogical circumstances and events that diminish the quality of the film as a result of lazy writing. (Darn those of us who can't turn a blind eye to sub-par writing and just "appreciate a movie." )

I don't expect every film to be as tightly written and directed as Glengarry Glen Ross or The Usual Suspects. But I'm not crazy about paying ten bucks for Swiss Cheese. As for me, I've spent enough of my time on this canard, so I'll move on. Have at me. I'm an easy target now that I'm walking away.

I just think the truth lies between the two extremes. I think calling it "Swiss Cheese" and saying it was lazy writing is actually too far to one extreme and actually an insult the the amount of thought that actually went into the movie. But that's just my opinion. I think dismissing modern audiences as just not "getting it" is too far the other way.

The interesting thing about discussion about this movie (across several different boards I'm on) is it's very revealing about how people choose to interact on the net. It's fun to debate, but not so fun if people just regurgitate the same talking points again and again without really taking on board what the other people are saying. I've seen some really good discussions and back and forth on the film. Some has been really illuminating to me. It's made me see some of the flaws of the film, and it's made me see things I didn't see before. All of it has only made me appreciate the movie for what it IS more, though, rather than wishing it was some idealized version of a film I had in my head. But I also appreciate it's not for everyone. And I think it's good to have movies like that. Everyone hated Blade Runner when it first came out, too. And that's one of the best sci-fi movies ever in my book. I also love the remake of Solaris, and not everyone like that. I've also read other discussions where people just parrot the same thing over and over. That gets kind of boring. Thankfully there has been more of the former than the latter, which keeps it fun!

[Dr Kain]

Apparently by "a better audience" they are talking about ones that are less discerning and have no problem with distracting plot holes or illogical circumstances and events that diminish the quality of the film as a result of lazy writing. (Darn those of us who can't turn a blind eye to sub-par writing and just "appreciate a movie." )

I don't expect every film to be as tightly written and directed as Glengarry Glen Ross or The Usual Suspects. But I'm not crazy about paying ten bucks for Swiss Cheese. As for me, I've spent enough of my time on this canard, so I'll move on. Have at me. I'm an easy target now that I'm walking away.

So what are these plot holes you are referring to? Or are you just mad the movie did not answer your questions?

It's funny. Thirteen years ago The Matrix was considered to be a brilliant movie, full of symbolism and the like, and while it gave us more questions than answers about the world itself, nobody complained. Prometheus does the same thing and people go after it with torches and pitch forks. Either audiences have gotten lazy in the last 13 years or they have gotten utterly brain dead by the garbage Hollywood has been feeding us like Transformers, Twilight, X3/Wolverine, Pirates of the Carribean 2-4, , etc.

Man, have you ever seen the movie Dark City? What did you think of that?

[Frequency]

I saw this movie on Saturday night and really enjoyed it! I am not familiar with any of the Alien movies so I went into this not knowing what really to expect. The cast was superb, excellent visuals, and I thought that the plot was interesting. I will definitely be buying this on DVD.

[vertigoink]

Ah, now I get it. I recall Alex liking that series. Actually it was pretty funny.

Frankly I think your joke was better than mine.

I think you're referring to Behind the Green Door, Vert. 'Green Room' is an entertainment industry term for the room where on-camera talent waits before they appear on a show.

Yeah I was out of it when I posted that lol.

[vaderSW1]

So what are these plot holes you are referring to? Or are you just mad the movie did not answer your questions?

It's funny. Thirteen years ago The Matrix was considered to be a brilliant movie, full of symbolism and the like, and while it gave us more questions than answers about the world itself, nobody complained. Prometheus does the same thing and people go after it with torches and pitch forks. Either audiences have gotten lazy in the last 13 years or they have gotten utterly brain dead by the garbage Hollywood has been feeding us like Transformers, Twilight, X3/Wolverine, Pirates of the Carribean 2-4, , etc.

Man, have you ever seen the movie Dark City? What did you think of that?

Dark City is an amazing piece of science fiction. IMO, by far superior to Prometheus. If you're trying to say that Prometheus compares to Dark City, I have to disagree.

Prometheus left much to be desired and I agree with Jack and many others who complained about the amount of plot holes and bad acting. There's just no excuse for any of it. Especially with such a talented cast and an even more talented director. Prometheus could have been so much better if it had stopped trying to be more than it actually is. IMO, Alien succeeded not because of the existential questions it raised but because it was a terrific monster/thriller. It never tried to be more than what it was. It was atmospheric and claustrophobic. A perfect piece of cinematic history. Prometheus doesn't even come close to that.

[Dr Kain]

I'm assuming then you saw Alien in theaters when it first came out then.

And if you want to talk about bad acting, let's talk about the acting in Aliens (just watched that last night), specifically Bill Paxton. My god, can the guy get any more whiney in the movie?

[vaderSW1]

I'm assuming then you saw Alien in theaters when it first came out then.

And if you want to talk about bad acting, let's talk about the acting in Aliens (just watched that last night), specifically Bill Paxton. My god, can the guy get any more whiney in the movie?

Alas, I did not see Alien when it first came out. I was born about 3 years after it's release. However, judging from insight from others that had seen it, Alien was one of the most terrifying films of all time AND it boosed Sigourney Weaver into stardom. My opinion of Alien is based on the many times I have seen it and I understand what works about it. However, I'm curious as to why it matters when I saw it? I could have seen Citizen Kane 40 years after it's release and still had an opinion on the film. I saw Star Wars for the first time when I was 4 years old and I love it and have an understanding of why it works. When I saw Alien is irrelevant.

If you like Prometheus that's great. I'm saying that for me, and clearly for many others, it doesn't work.

Real quick on Aliens, I never mentioned Aliens in my previous post. I was talking about Alien. They had a terrific ensemble cast for Alien and it worked perfectly. Aliens, on the other hand, is a different animal entirely. I love Aliens for being the prototypical 80's action flick that it is. For what it's worth, IMO, the cast of Aliens blows the cast of Prometheus out of the water. I agree about Bill Paxton's character, Hudson. I do think that Paxton played the role way over the top. I think that about a lot of Paxton's earlier films. The fact that Hudson, the character, is overly whiny is how he was written. Aliens is not a perfect film but it is a fun film. Again, IMO, much better than Prometheus. Also, once more, Aliens doesn't try to be anything that it's not. Instead it plays up to exactly what it's supposed to be: an action flick with xenomorphs. That's it. Plain and simple.

Prometheus was a blown opportunity, IMO. I truly feel like the film was talking down to it's audience most of the time. If you want to approach these different existential questions, you don't have to make them so obvious. One particular case in point: David's conversation with Dr. Holloway right before he "poisions" him. Did we really need this conversation to take place in the way that it did? It feels like the writer felt like the audience wouldn't be intelligent enough to glean this for themselves.

[Heeeere's Olesker!]

I just think the truth lies between the two extremes. I think calling it "Swiss Cheese" and saying it was lazy writing is actually too far to one extreme and actually an insult the the amount of thought that actually went into the movie. But that's just my opinion. I think dismissing modern audiences as just not "getting it" is too far the other way.

The interesting thing about discussion about this movie (across several different boards I'm on) is it's very revealing about how people choose to interact on the net. It's fun to debate, but not so fun if people just regurgitate the same talking points again and again without really taking on board what the other people are saying. I've seen some really good discussions and back and forth on the film. Some has been really illuminating to me. It's made me see some of the flaws of the film, and it's made me see things I didn't see before. All of it has only made me appreciate the movie for what it IS more, though, rather than wishing it was some idealized version of a film I had in my head. But I also appreciate it's not for everyone. And I think it's good to have movies like that. Everyone hated Blade Runner when it first came out, too. And that's one of the best sci-fi movies ever in my book. I also love the remake of Solaris, and not everyone like that. I've also read other discussions where people just parrot the same thing over and over. That gets kind of boring. Thankfully there has been more of the former than the latter, which keeps it fun!

I was simply expressing my opinion. I was not intending to insult anyone, unlike being called a member of a brain dead or lazy audience simply because I'm not a 100% fan of the film. But then I guess those aren't considered insults because they're coming from the side of die hard fans of the film.

[JonWes]

I was simply expressing my opinion. I was not intending to insult anyone, unlike being called a member of a brain dead or lazy audience simply because I'm not a 100% fan of the film. But then I guess those aren't considered insults because they're coming from the side of die hard fans of the film.

Jack, I think (winky emoticon aside) you are taking this far too seriously and personally and either you're not reading my posts carefully or I'm somehow not writing them clearly enough.

Maybe go back and re-read what I wrote? If I didn't make myself clear, I apologize. I am not actually addressing you personally in any of my comment except for the first paragraph. The second is talking about the reaction to the movie as a whole across the net and how interesting it was, to me and how it affected my personal connection to the movie. I came out the other end appreciating it more, warts and all. Some people may go from liking it to hating it. Some people might go from hating it to liking it. To me, it's all valid.

I didn't think you did insult anyone in anything you've said. Nor did I think anyone anything said on the other boards were insulting either, frankly, other than the casual disregard that some people seem to have for a creative work. I just like to be more thoughtful in my approach to reviewing the worth of a something. Again, I'm not saying YOU weren't thoughtful too. Just that other commentary on the net has not been so thoughtful. Does that mean people shouldn't be able to have a visceral, gut reaction to something? No way! Just not my usual way of approaching things, especially if I feel like quite a bit of thought and love went into something. Now, if it's something like Transformers 2... well, then my reaction is usually a great deal less thougtful. Anyway, in the end it's just people thinking different thoughts about stuff. Which is something I actually truly enjoy.

And in my posts I expressly said I DIDN'T think it was right to try to generalize those who didn't like it by saying they didn't just understand it and I said I understood a lot of the reasons people don't like the film. I certainly never called anyone brain dead or lazy!

Hope that clarifies. It's all good to me.

[Heeeere's Olesker!]

Jack, I think (winky emoticon aside) you are taking this far too seriously and personally and either you're not reading my posts carefully or I'm somehow not writing them clearly enough.

Maybe go back and re-read what I wrote? If I didn't make myself clear, I apologize. I am not actually addressing you personally in any of my comment except for the first paragraph. The second is talking about the reaction to the movie as a whole across the net and how interesting it was, to me and how it affected my personal connection to the movie. I came out the other end appreciating it more, warts and all. Some people may go from liking it to hating it. Some people might go from hating it to liking it. To me, it's all valid.

I didn't think you did insult anyone in anything you've said. Nor did I think anyone anything said on the other boards were insulting either, frankly, other than the casual disregard that some people seem to have for a creative work. I just like to be more thoughtful in my approach to reviewing the worth of a something. Again, I'm not saying YOU weren't thoughtful too. Just that other commentary on the net has not been so thoughtful. Does that mean people shouldn't be able to have a visceral, gut reaction to something? No way! Just not my usual way of approaching things, especially if I feel like quite a bit of thought and love went into something. Now, if it's something like Transformers 2... well, then my reaction is usually a great deal less thougtful. Anyway, in the end it's just people thinking different thoughts about stuff. Which is something I actually truly enjoy.

And in my posts I expressly said I DIDN'T think it was right to try to generalize those who didn't like it by saying they didn't just understand it and I said I understood a lot of the reasons people don't like the film. I certainly never called anyone brain dead or lazy!

Hope that clarifies. It's all good to me.

Jon, it's been a continuing deal for me ever since I've been on the board that people waaaaay too often take what I say as always being serious. There are times when I am being serious -- because there are serious matters in life, one's opinion about a particular film not being one of them, imo -- and when I am being serious I try to make certain everyone knows it. But most of the time I'm a pretty lighthearted guy that's spent his whole life just trying to entertain. My first staff writing job was for The Care Bears, then Heathcliff and the Catillac Cats and then The Popples. Although I'm very serious in the business aspects of my life, I tend to take writing as being something fun and often funny -- something I used to get heavily criticized for when it came to NA as I made Skelly a bit of a joker.

This board has always been an oasis for me -- someplace I can go when I need a respite. As a result, most of the time I post with tongue in cheek -- even in a lot of my more serious posts in The Tar Swamp. I try to make it clear by posting smiley icons and winking smiley icons (which I detest), but frequently my humor, for some reason or other, doesn't get through and people think I'm flaming or blazing or whatever the term is. For the record, I don't flame or blaze.

Anyway, I regret if I didn't communicate it clearly enough. After thirty plus years in the entertainment industry, I've a very thick hide. I don't offend easily and I try not to offend others when I respectfully offer opinions that differ from theirs. So I felt Dr. Kain -- whose intellect and posts I tremendously enjoy despite (or perhaps because) of the fact that we sometimes disagree -- gave me a creampuff when he referred to those, like myself as being "brain dead" or "lazy". I meant to playfully return the serve. Somehow it didn't come out that way.

Please remember: smiley icons, smiley icons, smiley icons.

[Dr Kain]

Hold up, things are going the wrong way here. Olesker, I wasn't referring to you being braindead. Sorry. I was thinking more of the masses that consider Transformers, Twilight, and the Resident Evil movies to be amazing and then nitpick Prometheus, which is far superior to any of those movie series I just mentioned combined. There was someone at Target the other day, wearing a "Team Edward" t-shirt, with a Twilight backpack, buying the newest movie, and then talking to the cashier about how much garbage Prometheus was. It's like someone forgot to give her a brain to know the difference between utter **** and something intelligent. Now her not liking the movie would have been cool had it not been blantanly obvious she was just down right stupid.

[Heeeere's Olesker!]

Hold up, things are going the wrong way here. Olesker, I wasn't referring to you being braindead. Sorry. I was thinking more of the masses that consider Transformers, Twilight, and the Resident Evil movies to be amazing and then nitpick Prometheus, which is far superior to any of those movie series I just mentioned combined. There was someone at Target the other day, wearing a "Team Edward" t-shirt, with a Twilight backpack, buying the newest movie, and then talking to the cashier about how much garbage Prometheus was. It's like someone forgot to give her a brain to know the difference between utter **** and something intelligent. Now her not liking the movie would have been cool had it not been blantanly obvious she was just down right stupid.

Trust me, Dr., I completely realized that. I was attempting to turn it against me to have some fun.

No harm done, my friend.

[JonWes]

No problem, Jack. I just didn't want you to think I was taking it too seriously and I didn't want you to either! I especially don't want to cause people to feel like they're viewpoints are being marginalized or shouted down, which was the vibe I was getting from some of your pots. But I think I see where you're coming from now. It's all good.

Not that this makes your opinion any less wrong, of course.

[Heeeere's Olesker!]

No problem, Jack. I just didn't want you to think I was taking it too seriously and I didn't want you to either! I especially don't want to cause people to feel like they're viewpoints are being marginalized or shouted down, which was the vibe I was getting from some of your pots. But I think I see where you're coming from now. It's all good.

Not that this makes your opinion any less wrong, of course.

Atta boy!!!

[ehenyo]

You have all offended me!

[Heeeere's Olesker!]

You have all offended me!

Ya can't please everyone.

[Barbecue17]

Hold up, things are going the wrong way here. Olesker, I wasn't referring to you being braindead. Sorry. I was thinking more of the masses that consider Transformers, Twilight, and the Resident Evil movies to be amazing and then nitpick Prometheus, which is far superior to any of those movie series I just mentioned combined. There was someone at Target the other day, wearing a "Team Edward" t-shirt, with a Twilight backpack, buying the newest movie, and then talking to the cashier about how much garbage Prometheus was. It's like someone forgot to give her a brain to know the difference between utter **** and something intelligent. Now her not liking the movie would have been cool had it not been blantanly obvious she was just down right stupid.

What are you talking about? Resident Evil is amazing! Seriously, I think it is my favorite guilty pleasure series. Zombies, monsters, and Milla Jovovich (sometimes multiple Millas) fighting them. I get your point, though, Doc.

One of the things that I have noticed with many films these days is that the "plot hole" argument gets thrown around quite a bit. I'm not arguing that movies don't have plot holes, as anytime you're working with fiction plot holes of some kind are a potential hazard, but when I read lists of plot holes people I often see things that I wouldn't qualify as a plot hole. Sometimes characters do stupid things and make poor choices. I've seen many intelligent and professional people make stupid choices. It happens. Sometimes a motive can remain mysterious. Plot holes exist, but a lot of times I think everything someone dislikes about a movie gets lumped under the old plothole argument.

I watch a lot of older films, and am constantly irritated when friends watching the movies with me criticize the films because they don't spell the plot out. They typically figure out what is going on, but they seem to hate that the movie isn't 100% clear about it. I don't think this has anything to do with people being any smarter or dumber than they have in the past (as the older movies we watch today and which still exist have typically stood the test of time) but just that there is a very different mentality to filmmaking. Some movies want to tell you a story, others immerse you in a world.

I have to say that despite any plot holes, bizarre character behavior, or other flaws, Prometheus has generated more discussion than any film I've seen this summer amongst my friends. For that reason, it is probably my favorite movie I have seen this summer.

[wolfsfang]

I don't get how peoples feelings on one movie should invalidate their opinions on another. Personally I feel people should be allowed to like what they like for whatever reason they like and dislike them for the same reason.

Movies like Resident Evil and Transformers were not so supposed to be deep thought provoking movies about the origins of mankind and whether or not we should look for answers never mind the consequences, instead they were simply mindless action flicks with scantily clothed women and robots (or zombies), in other words you were supposed to turn your brain off when you watched them.

Prometheus wanted you to turn your brain on but the problem with that is that once you began thinking about the stuff on the screen you realized how profoundly stupid most of the people are and that the plot has more holes in it then a slice of swiss cheese

[carlo]

saw it last week and got bored in the first hour.. overall did not like the film.. was ok. but what a bummer for me anyway.

too many stuff to post on what i didn't like, but one thing.. did charlize theron character really belong in this film?

all she did was stood around looking like a robot, yell, scream, run, and then crushed. seriously.. did anyone care for her character?

i did not like some of the characters, maybe i'm just hooked on the first Alien film.. which was awesome!

oh well..

[gbagok]

Yes boring is relative and if people liked this movie I am very happy for them, I personally found it boring and I can only speak for myself.

As do we all, that was my point in the face of the general "but you liked Transformers?!" type remarks. or else I'd have quoted you specifically.

I don't get how peoples feelings on one movie should invalidate their opinions on another. Personally I feel people should be allowed to like what they like for whatever reason they like and dislike them for the same reason.

Movies like Resident Evil and Transformers were not so supposed to be deep thought provoking movies about the origins of mankind and whether or not we should look for answers never mind the consequences, instead they were simply mindless action flicks with scantily clothed women and robots (or zombies), in other words you were supposed to turn your brain off when you watched them.

Prometheus wanted you to turn your brain on but the problem with that is that once you began thinking about the stuff on the screen you realized how profoundly stupid most of the people are and that the plot has more holes in it then a slice of swiss cheese

Well since you brought up cheese ....if Prometheus is Swiss Cheese, then some other movies I don't like because they are just "thoughtless" summer action movies are like that cheese glue gunk they put on Jimmy Dean breakfast biscuits. To some it might serve some purpose in keeping the sandwich together, but that doesn't make it better than swiss!

It's funny that I agree with many of the criticisms leveled at Prometheus and yet I was still engaged and entertained by it--and it seems to have kept people talking about it for a while now too, which is more than some other movies with flaws of their own have managed. Wolfsfang, I don't mean to pick on you, but a movie that invites me to think and then does some things I think are stupid isn't automatically bad or worse than a movie that didn't ask as much of me. The Matrix Revolutions asked me to fill in gaps but it had not earned my interest to take the time--squandered it even since I had been engaged in the first movie. I still hear people talking about how "great" that franchise wise. Hey, give me your cheers for Superman Returns and then we'll talk! But in Prometheus's case, I think it's nowhere near the movie that Alien was, or the movie Aliens was either, but it's a lot more intriguing to me than any other Alien sequel. Even Alien Resurrection, which I both enjoyed and hated for a variety of reasons (uneven tone, bland music, unsuccessful suspense, disposable characters--though not as bad as the AvP movies, the Walmart line, not just erasing the mistake that was Alien 3).

Oh and what is a Promethean?

I guess a Promethean is a crew member? I'm a little confused too by some of the terms being thrown around. In the movie, they called the aliens "Engineers" but a lot of people are calling them "Architects" too.

Engineers=Architects=Prometheans. No, I don't think the movie used the latter two terms, but both apply. Promethean is an actual word that means resembling Prometheus who gave fire to mortals (and paid a price for it), and so associates with being an originator, a creative catalyst, and sometimes a martyr as well. I've seen other SF stories refer to god-like extra-terrestrials who intervene in human development as "Prometheans" for that reason. I'm sorry you were confused, so I hope my explanation helps. I have more trouble with the word "aliens" since its so connected to the xenomorphs (but in general I think context makes all the difference).

I think the ship's name and the moniker "Engineers" were both used to represent the competing goals of the humans (Prometheus, the name of the ship most likely chosen by Weyland who sought a quasi-religious outcome of immortality, and the name Engineers used by the "scientists" who were trying to discover the truth of the past through science only for both to be let down by the end). I appreciated that at the end Dr. Shaw was still "a believer" who wanting her scientific answers because otherwise the movie might have been one big pessimistic deterrent to both science and religion. At the same time I have no idea how the cave paintings suggests the...big white aliens...had engineered humans or that they could or would grant immortality. Some wild leaps but that's kind of another reason I liked Vickers. She thought it was all dumb and she should have been right.

BTW about Vickers, I get how she represented Weyland's natural immortality and how her dying as the result of his quest for unnatural immortality was irony at work, but I don't think that worked well because she was too much of an ice queen to be a convincing future mother. I'd go after a dream of immortality--as far-fetched as that was--rather than look forward to her spawn too. But also I wanted more from her than a stinking metaphor, she seemed like a character who could have had an arc--to go from ice queen to something more likable could have been nice to see. Also I think she gets more crits for enforcing quarantine because she actually killed the guy who was sick when Ripley didn't, and she seemed to do so for her own safety and not for a concern with the rules or protocol or anything that Ripley was probably going by. Just the same I think she could have been rehabilitated for us since he was indeed going to hurt people. I happened to think his death/suicide was ridiculously unnecessary at that point as far as any of the characters should have known, but maybe Halloway knew his screen-time was up.

[Optimus Prime]

Well since you brought up cheese ....if Prometheus is Swiss Cheese, then some other movies I don't like because they are just "thoughtless" summer action movies are like that cheese glue gunk they put on Jimmy Dean breakfast biscuits. To some it might serve some purpose in keeping the sandwich together, but that doesn't make it better than swiss!

I would called the Transformers and Resident Evil films 'Limburger cheese' because they all got progressively stinkier LOL