I am pretty sure that much of the negativity against Scott is mostly sparked by his very own attitude.
Anyways, I have a hard time thinking of Spector as anything more than a personal ego trip for the Brand Manager using his position to make it happen regardless of what other people think or want. That alone speaks a lot about the attitude of the man.
Last edited by kup; January 2, 2012 at 09:50pm.
The magic word is brand manager. Unfortunately everybody can't be in that position so yes life isn't fair. Heck many of us might try to do something similar in his position. Is it wise? Well that's a different thing, but I'm sure mr. Scott is happy cause he will have a bunch of Spectors (his figure) load somewhere (own shelf) after the sale date.
It's not that desired design.
ps. Mr. Staples, please don't pull that poor cat's tail so often. It's heartbreaking!
But, since you asked . . .
As I wouldn't claim to be a huge PoP fan, there isn't the instant recognition that comes with all the characters. Very generally speaking they tend to blend together into one pastel-y whole for me unfortunately, and aside from some obvious costume details (bee wings, peacock feathers, etc) there isn't enough to distinguish most of them from one another in my mind.
I think Glimmer and Angella are more recognizable from the toon and the roles they played, so that goes a long way, but I also feel their designs and color palettes are more iconic and appealing as well compared to many of the other PoP characters.
To be even more brutally honest, I don't think I'd prioritize hardly any PoP figures as I just don't see them having the individual appeal that so many others do. As a GROUP, I do think they'll look awesome once all of them are released.
And further complicating things, because these characters were never intended to be action figures, it's inherently challenging to make them compelling action figures without shaking up the designs quite a bit and disappointing a lot of fans.
I hear what you're saying about the clone-y leotard look, but unfortunately in a line with such self-imposed limited tooling I don't see that there are many options.
As Penny said in this episode, for a variety of reasons I just think it was way too soon for the Star Sisters.
In fact I think they've jumped the gun on several things with this line that would've benefited from holding off.
Tytus is a big one IMO, but the Star Sisters too.
Who knows how many new tools might be available 2-3 years down the road to make for more interesting figures?
The fans, the factory, reviewers, Digital River, the 4H, it always seems to be someone else's fault.
All of that is just anger talking. While I personally don't share in the anger thing with regard to anything MotU, I can definitely understand it. And if Scott truly were the über-fan he'd like us to believe he is, then he would understand how easily passion can turn to frustration and anger, and he'd be way more sensitive to it, and disarm it at every turn possible. Instead, he kinda does the opposite.But it is one thing for people to say Spector is a bad design but another to say Scott is putting him in the line as a deliberate "screw you" to the fans. Again, not saying that is your perspective, but that is the flavor I get from some people who are doing the criticizing.
I agree with this in principle, but not when it's applied to an anniversary like this. And especially when MOTUC has largely been rehashes (albeit beautifully executed for the most part) I fail to see how the last 3 years can really be given all that much importance. I mean, in a lot of ways the line itself already IS a celebration of the 30th, so a separate designation is a little redundant if you think about it.The line between present and history is a false one.
But however you look at it, I can't possibly be convinced that people who are little more than recreating something already made decades ago should be on equal or higher footing than those who originally created it.
Who around here really wants to be the MotU Brand Manager?it just feeds the fires of those who think some people have a personal vendetta against Scott simply because he is brand manager and they are not.
Has anyone really put that out there?
I doubt hardly anyone would really want that job, so I don't buy the jealousy argument.
It's more that they just don't want anyone messing up something that they love, and that they feel a sense of ownership towards. That's maybe what's more at issue. I mean Mattel essentially abandoned MotU, and did so several times. The only ones who have kept it alive have been the fans, so that sense of ownership is only natural.
And anything (fair or not, intentional or not) that portrays Scott as being in it for himself above the fans is NOT going to sit well with people.
I don't think he hates fans or is ego-crazed. I do think he (frequently) credits himself with way more than he is due, and it's clear that he feels he unquestionably deserves his own figures in a line that wouldn't exist if it weren't for his efforts, what a great guy, blablablah.
And absent everything else we're talking about, that's just, y'know, not cool.
It's a false argument, it's completely illogic.
If people have issues with him, is because of what he does and say, not the other way around. Why should anyone hate him? It isn't like he's an evil vampire or something. If a person acts in a way that displease fans big time, that's the issue.
Failing to see why people are upset and blaming fans for being upset without reasons is very illogical.
I know some think I have a personal vendetta agenda because he's the brand manager and I'm not.
That is simply foolish to think. I don't want to be a brand manager, I never wanted to be brand manager. I'm a toy designer. I'd want to contribute in a creative role, not in a managing one.
Scott has done a lot of good things for the brand.Of course Scott has not made the kind of contribution Scott or Taylor has, but at the end of the day, we have MOTUC because he advocates for the line. Yes the 4H sculpted the He-Man prototype, yes they are awesome artists, yes this line would not be what it is without them. But if Scott were not there, who would have been able to convince Matty to try the line again since it tanked at retail the last time?
But he wasn't the only one convinving Mattel management (not Matty, Mattycollector is the site Scott created to distribuite collectors line, he didn't need to "convince Matty"
But he wasn't the only one. He's the only one most people know by name, and that receive credit for it. But other people were vital to the creation of MOTUC as well.
No one believes he's trying to kill the line.
Why should he? It's is job, and his passion, why should he tries to kill the line?
The problem many see is that he seems to have lost perspective on what is better for the brand and what is just his personal likes and agenda.
These are BOLD statements.Geoff has nothing to do with MOTU's history, but this is not true of Scott or Terry. Both Scott and Terry have been working on the line for the past few years, which are part of the 30 years of MOTU. Both men have contributed to figure design, determining additional accessories, bios, and much more. Even if you don't like anything they have done, they are now as much a part of MOTU's history as the 4H, for example. I would say they are as much a part of the history as Taylor and Sweet, but those founding fathers deserve a special place, IMHO.
And honestly, I'd be more willing to listen to your arguments if you were more informed, but looks like you're not.
You keep mentioning Scott and Terry, but it clearly shows you're not aware of what roles they have and what other people were involved.
And this is absolutely with all due respect to Terry and Scott, I'm just tryign to put everything in the right perspective for you:
Terry Higuchi is ONE of the designers that work internally at Mattel as the interface between the design team for MOTU and the 4H.
But he isn't the only one. At first it was Terry, then there was Bill Benecke, then Terry again and now it's Ruben Martinez. And with them, there were other people working on the enginereeing of the products, plus the packaging designers etc.
All the desings are made by the 4H. Terry and Bill worked on the 4H desings. They discuss additional accessories, which sometimes are designed internally (Bill designed Clawful's shield), sometimes they are designed by the 4H )Leech's capture net) Scott has no role in the design process. If for you suggesting or requesting an accessory is being a designer, you just don't know what a designer's job is.
And then, comparing their role to Taylor and Mayer (and Sweet) is way out of reality. Part of the history, yes, like everyone involved in MOTU somehow, form Stan Sakai to me. But not as important as Mark and Ted.
Those guys invented MOTU. Mark and Ted defined what we see as MOTU.
I'm sure even Scott, Terry, Bill and Ruben would't like to be compared to Mark and Ted.
I would never include you in those who seem to have a vendetta against Scott. Your comments are always well thought out and professional. I am speaking of others (no one in particular, just the flavor I get from some comments) who seem to read sinister motives into everything Scott does.
Clearly, Scott has not helped himself with many of his comments. If I were brand manager, I would try to be as involved with the community as he is, but I would also hope that I would know when to say nothing. Sometimes his comments add fuel to fires that are already starting to burn out.
I didn't mean to suggest the present team is as important to MOTU history as the founding fathers of the line, so perhaps I should have stated my original point better. My only point was that Scott and others must now be considered part of the line's history, for better or for worse.
And, thank you for otherwise setting me straight!
People just complain about what he does, it's illogical to read "sinister motives" in people complaints
.I didn't mean to suggest the present team is as important to MOTU history as the founding fathers of the line, so perhaps I should have stated my original point better. My only point was that Scott and others must now be considered part of the line's history, for better or for worse
All people that worked on MOTU are part of the line's history of course. I don't think anyone is trying to deny that, just trying to make sure all comparisons are fair
The weights of these contributions will probably be judged better by posterity
If The Mighty Spector's bio says, "Songster's roadie and guitar tech" I'm cool with him. Great show as always. Keep 'em coming Val!
You getting a Songster figure will be my fault.
Why is Spector's symbol the only one under any scrutiny?
Is He-Man a Teutonic Knight or a Nazi since he has an iron cross on his armor? No, he's not. It's never even been referenced. He has no connection to Germany or the Knights at all since he's not from Earth, and Marlena being from there doesn't count since the Power Sword doesn't originate from Earth either. So why does he have it?
Or how 'bout Webstor's orange square thingy? I mean, what? Is it a throwing star? Then shouldn't it be on Ninjor's outfit since it would actually fit his design. If it's supposed to be a web, it's a crappily designed one and if anything it should be red to match his eyes and look slightly better with the rest of his color palatte. It matches nothing on his design besides his gun, which also doesn't match anything about his design or character. Why the heck does a dark blue spider mutant thing with darker blue armor and shin guards have a bright orange laser gun and bright orange square thingy on his armor? As far as I can tell... just because. It's a decoration and nothing more.
But, nope. Only Spector gets mentioned.
He-Man's Symbols has been contraversial for years and has been discussed many times during the 2002 years on these forums. Its an old discussion that few really care for at the moment. Sadly for you it has become an Iconic symbol for the children of the 80's who probably didn't know anything about Nazi's or religious implications. We grew up just accepting it as the symbol he-man wears without looking too much into it. Now us children from the 80s are all grown up and I am quite sure looking at MOTU with adult eyes instead of children's eyes. MOTUC has become an adult collectors line and IMO I don't think that a blatant and not inadvertant symbol of a spade makes sense with MOTU in general. Again beauty is in the ye of the beholder and I find Spectors symbol to be too close to home. He looks really out of place and has a power that is actually more powerful than he-man... I agree with Penny Dreadful in that Spector was a rejected design. Scott in my mind kinda abused his influence by shoving a failed design in MOTUC.
2012 Create a character Runners up Mini-Sub please!!! I needs Bubblor and Major Header.
The iron cross symbol is not invented by the Nazis! It was abused by them...
But I also see a difference between He-Man's symbol and the spade, which reminds me more at Earth...
Last edited by Berserker79; January 6, 2012 at 06:21am.
enjoying era wars
Having said that, I do agree that the spade is a bit jarring in terms of the rest of the design itself, whether you like the design or not. Perhaps it will be explained in the bios. In any case, I think Val was right to suggest that Spector might have gone over better had he had a symbol like an hourglass on his chest. Even the design than mimics the ring that came with Trap Jaw and Tri-Klops would be better.
Personally, I will say that I think Spector looks just fine, especially if he could be considered a NA character. However, if he ends up playing a critical role in the overall storyline, that would be bad and very unwise. The power of time-travel is indeed strong, so I can see why so many are worried about this. Maybe it is more limited than we think. I hope so. I am indifferent to the bios in most cases, but it would look very bad to the fandom if Spector turns out to be someone who saves the day in any significant sense. That would cause a small riot, and, I think, justifiably so. I guess we'll know in a few months or so.
awesome show as ever guys! ... loved this one ... ...
i basically agree with everything you guys said (really) ... val in particular, your opening summary was fantastic ... and also, penny - you hit the nail right on the head reference the original create-a-character contest ...
i've voiced my opinions on the mighty spector in the main discussion thread, so i don't feel the need to repeat them here ... all in all, awesome episode and very agreeable from my point of view ...
''He-Man lives and possesses that key, I must possess all or I possess nothing!'' (Skeletor, 1987)
- Check out my Trader-Feedback - http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...hlight=tmc1984
*IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO BE WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN*
Who is the best example of those qualities in MOTU? If those were the reasons why he has the cross, then it makes sense...
On Webstor's insignia: It's similar to the pattern on Black Widow Spiders. It makes sense: Webstor, as Spider-Like character with a Spider-themed insignia.
The Ace of Spades makes no sense on Spector... unless he's a harbinger of Death... Or secretly Bow's Rival...
Last edited by DO4M; January 6, 2012 at 03:01pm.
Glimmer is coming!! YES!! YES!! YES!!!
if you dissect anything you can question it's need, but when something is designed by professionals, they can be explained away quite easily.
"A knight is sworn to valor. His heart knows only virtue. His blade defends the helpless. His word speaks only truth. His wrath undoes the wicked."
Glimmer is coming!! YES!! YES!! YES!!!
2012 Create a character Runners up Mini-Sub please!!! I needs Bubblor and Major Header.