Yeah, I see all the pink sparkly glittery tassels all over Sy-Klone.Sy-Klone is just as flashy as any of the GR characters. What makes POP so "fairy tale princess or Rainbrow Brite" the colors, the magic? As I stated Sy-Klone is just as colorful.
That you even wonder why someone would consider PoP too far into "fairy tale princess" genre says it all.
This is an impossible claim to make, because the characters and storylines in the original mini-comics were part and parcel of the true genesis of MotU, without which Filmation could never have existed.The brand would have been just as strong without the mini comics.
Who said anything about Filmation MotU being "epic warrior fantasy"? Definitely not me!The POP world developed by Filmation is no less "epic warrior fantasy" than the MOTU cartoon.
If YOU see MotU figures as homoerotic, you're welcome to it, but I do not. Besides the fact that very few MotU characters are actually half-naked, I don't live in a world where everything needs to be sexualized. I don't like Evil-Lyn because I think she's hot, I like her because she's a cool, interesting character with an iconic design. But for argument's sake, if PoP actually had a decent number of attractive women in skin-tight costumes with swords that were actually convincing as warriors in the epic stakes of MotU, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. No one questions Teela's inclusion for a reason.An yet grown men are totally fine with having half naked, muscled up men sitting on their self. I love half naked, muscled up men, you know why, because I'm gay. So this tired old "men don't want girly figures in their collection" is tired and over used. If you're willing to have homoerotic figures, I'm surprised you don't want attractive woman in skin tight costumes with swords on your self. You might need to do some soul searching into the deeper meanings behind that.
Admit what? That your perspective is the one true persepective? That just makes things easier for you... where's the fun in that?Originally Posted by Hordak
This isn't 1984 or 1985. She-Ra characters are no longer sold with rooted hair or fantastic fashions. Your statements refer to the past for support... but the past is not the present... so other than just being stubborn, there is no reason not to ignore the past of POP and think of them as new MOTU characters.
You believe it is "ok for men to like some 'girl' things and girls to like 'boyish' things? I'm sad that you have to keep things so ultra-traditionally categorized.
Jeez, this country really did a number on our generation with the gender roles thing. It's really kind of sad.
I don't see any "pink sparkly glittery tassels" all over any of the POP characters in the MOTUC line... and, in fact, there were none of those in the vintage line either... There was glitter. There were "ribbons" (tassels) on one figure. There certainly was "pinkYeah, I see all the pink sparkly glittery tassels all over Sy-Klone.
as well, but then again, pink is actually not the predominant color in the POP characters. It was in the vintage POP packaging... but, other than Jewelstar (who SHOULD have been RED), and Tallstar's hair, I don't see much pink. I'm not sure what you're talking about.
How boringI don't live in a world where everything needs to be sexualized.
You took the time to get to know the characters of Evil-Lyn and Teela because they were introduced in a way you found appealing.I don't like Evil-Lyn because I think she's hot, I like her because she's a cool, interesting character with an iconic design. But for argument's sake, if PoP actually had a decent number of attractive women in skin-tight costumes with swords that were actually convincing as warriors in the epic stakes of MotU, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. No one questions Teela's inclusion for a reason.
Now that 30 years have gone by, is it really that hard for you to think of some of these other females that way? No one is suggesting that you have to like anything...
But if you like Evil-Lyn, why wouldn't you like Shadow Weaver or Catra? I just don't get it, unless it is solely because they were on a cartoon 30 years ago. It's a new day... they are in a new line.
If you like Teela, then why not She-Ra, or Adora, or Double Trouble, or Sweet Bee, or Entrapta? They are different but not exceptionally different. They are all powerful, all smart, all sexy, and all interesting.
Character A: a scout, for an alien race in danger of losing its homeworld, lands on a planet occupied by the Horde... the scout, who has the powers of insect-like strength & flight, as well as the power to create traps made from organic material, joins the rebels who are fighting against the Horde, in order that she might bring her people to this otherwise hospitable world and save them from certain death. Oh, and He-Man has the hots for her.
That's Sweet Bee. Sure, she has a silly name... but it's MOTU, that's why it's cool. But she IS a great character.
Had Teela been put into the vintage POP line years ago, she'd have been the girly girl who can do acrobatics and fly on a trapeze or something.
MOTUC allows us to re-imagine these characters in a more adult, realistic way. That's what I love about it. It allows people to see that characters like Netossa (an expert huntress, tracker, and trapper) or Double Trouble (a shape-shifting spy) or even Flutterina (a freedom fighter who can shrink to insect-size while retaining the strength of her orginal form) are just as appropriate for the line as Teela.
We REALLY need to get over the past. WHO CARES about the vintage lines and who liked what, or whether Filmation or mini-comics made MOTU/POP a multi-billion dollar success (they BOTH did)!
This is the here and now.
If you don't like females in your toy line, that's fine. But can you just stop trying to tell everyone they are wrong for liking what you do not? It's not rational.
And, frankly, you've been pretty safe up to this point. There are still very few females in the line.
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A Want List of Sorts: at this point... I just hope there is a 2017...
Hi all - please get back on topic about the Star Sisters and not the general MOTU vs POP stuff, please. There are other threads that have delved into that over the years, and please be careful not to end up in Tar Swamp territory. Thanks so much!
Good idea ^
I actually like the Star Sisters lol. I did not at first but they grew on me after i got the toys. I am surprised that they did not sell out earlier and I think that the discission has gone far off that topic. I apologize for being a part of the off topic discussion.
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Beyond the designs which we know are polarizing, I think it was QC and body construction that effected the out come of the Star Sisters. Had they not had issues with dumpy crotch and lost articulation in the legs I think more of use would be fans of them. Because of the lack of articulation and the fact that Tallstar doesn't like to stand I find that I don't pull them off my shelf and "play" with their poses like I do with other figures.
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I think what kills me most about my Star Sisters is that I could have lived without them but the quality of the figures are pretty good. But my She-Ra and Queen Marlena have loose ankles and Frosta just looks terrible and those were 3 female figures I was looking forward to. They’re just there in my collection taunting me, “Neener neener neener. We’re in better condition than other figures you wanted a whole lot more.”
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I love the idea of them being oracle types as well. I feel that they are probably very powerful and would be the key to winning some major struggles on Etheria. I like that they are a trio and the Star aspect to them puts them up there with the Cosmic Enforcers and Rock Warriors in my opinion.
I wish they had Better boot articulation but otherwise they are pretty solid figures.
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Adam wears colors that were traditionally worn by royals, because those dyes cost more. The idea that it was girly came from negative stereotypes in regards to royals.
and I agree, the Star Sisters are meh as I have said I think in this thread before. Some of what was done just doesn't go over well. I have Tallstar's head on BG teela's body and it looks great.
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"Don't crowd me boys!"
There is clearly a difference between hardcore fans here and the thousands of casual customers outside these boards. Most guys I know are not on any forums or barely and want only the stuff they grew up with. Some would recognize Geldor because of his appearence in the mini comic but that would be an obscure character for them. MOTU is just a small hobby for them and they aren't interested in any new stuff. They also aren't interested in the stuff from the last vintage waves.
Someone I know sells some figures at cons and he tells me that only the vintage characters sell, nobody would ask after a Dekker or the Star Sisters, it's always He-Man, Trap Jaw, Webstor, etc. The casual taste is different from the hardcore attitude here on the boards. I think many customers are turned off by the character selection, not by the price.
Mattel has changed the plan and concentrate more on demanded stuff, because they realized that the Star Sisters or the FFM or Vykron won't rescue this line. And when the last 6-7 most demanded figures will get released, the majority of customers will loose interest and won't buy another sub.
After all, Mattel isn't making only vintage characters. They are also making the major Filmation, POP and NA characters as well.
The Official 200X Sorceress vs 200X Evil-Lyn 2 Pack Support Thread
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Received my Star Sisters from BBTS a couple days ago and was finally able to crack them open. First thing I did was arrange Tallstar's parts and pose Cy-Chop over her. I really dig the purple hair, too. I also just got done watching the She-Ra episode that they were in for all of 30 seconds. Now I realize that they're the equivalent of any alien in the Mos Eisley Cantina.
I don't know why I'm getting so into this set of figures. Probably because they're "new" to me, I guess. In my canon, Jewelstar can form diamond like armor around her body, Tallstar obviously has stretching powers, and Starla I'm still torn on. Does she have sun like powers? Which would mean heat and even possibly flight? Ha, that would make the Star Sisters like some bizarro Fantastic Four. Or maybe Starla can control gravity(like a star?)! Or hell, maybe both. I love getting new figures!
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Okay everyone - POP in MOTUC debate moved to it's own thread: http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...-Pros-and-Cons
Keep this one on-topic, please.
It wasn't as much saying that everything that came before was a mistake, just that, with limited time and resources left, they wanted to concentrate on finishing the major players in the main factions.
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Down to 2 Star Sisters packs left at BBTS!
It seems that BBTS sold their last 2 sets...
The Star Sisters are now .... SOLD OUT!