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    Quote Originally Posted by oICEMANo View Post
    See what I mean...
    I think the issue here may be that Scott's memory isn't always spot on. In the job he has, things are changing all the time, and unless you right things down as you are going, it's easy to misremember certain things. Don't know if he is doing that in this case.

    Kind of like Stan Lee. Now before the pitchforks and tomatoes come out, I'm not saying Scott is on the same level creatively. But Stan has a notoriously poor memory, probably due to the fact that he was writer, editor, and so on. Scott is similarly in charge of keeping many things together for MOTUC, which he has said is a side project in relation to his main responsibilities. I think he just forgets sometimes what he has said, what has been said about which figure, which management decisions were made as a result of which snafu, etc.
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    The way I read what you quoted is that because the figure sold "okay", there weren't NEAR as many fans with the reverse shoulders as there are with King Hiss's reverse shoulders, so the backlash wasn't nearly as savage or outspoken.

    Granted, it could also have prevented the future issues had it been caught that FIRST go round, but I really don't think he's saying that we were too new to understand the defects, but rather that there were too few of us to raise such a HUGE concern as there was with KH and Roboto.

    Quote Originally Posted by bamf1980 View Post
    Um. What?

    EDIT: My original comment was removed, as it was deemed disrespectful to a fellow .orger, namely ToyGuru.

    The thing is, he's NOT an .orger. He's a brand manager that is here to promote his product. And to say that it was lucky that we were still too new at this line to understand that the 1st couple of figures had defects is a complete slap in the face. He clearly thinks we're suckers.

    These blogs are a cool idea, but maybe he should have them proofread before posting them.
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    If i remember correctly, scotts account of the first 6 figures were always supposed to be he-man/beastman, skeleor/stratos, and man-at-arms/zodac, faker was originally supposed to be nycc exclusive since he required no new tooling, and mer-man and hordak were 8 and 9th fogures respectively planned, but i beleive they hadnt been 100% green lighted yet? I remember hordak was important, because aside from vintage original card back figs, hordak represented a big final send off figure that everyone wanted in 200x but we never got (similar to what king grayskull was). To be honest, after reading kg's little story, it kida makes sense that hordak was potentially the good bye figure, but then starting with stratos, who lasted 3 days, and then man at arms takin like 45 minutes mattel said dont kill teh line! I also feel like there was definitely a sculpted merman a the 2008 sdcc
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackstatic View Post
    If i remember correctly, scotts account of the first 6 figures were always supposed to be he-man/beastman, skeleor/stratos, and man-at-arms/zodac, faker was originally supposed to be nycc exclusive since he required no new tooling, and mer-man and hordak were 8 and 9th fogures respectively planned, but i beleive they hadnt been 100% green lighted yet? I remember hordak was important, because aside from vintage original card back figs, hordak represented a big final send off figure that everyone wanted in 200x but we never got (similar to what king grayskull was). To be honest, after reading kg's little story, it kida makes sense that hordak was potentially the good bye figure, but then starting with stratos, who lasted 3 days, and then man at arms takin like 45 minutes mattel said dont kill teh line! I also feel like there was definitely a sculpted merman a the 2008 sdcc
    i thought at NY Toy Fair in 2009 that Hordak, MAA, and Tri-Klops were revealed. Doesn't that mean that at least by Feb. 2009, the line had been greenlit for continuation?
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    Found the December 2009 post, since folks keep discussing the topic. heheh

    What a breakout year it was for the return of He-Man and all his friends and allies in the first MOTU line aimed at the adult collector! To really look at the last year, lets take a quick walk on how this line came about.

    Originally as we conceived MattyCollector.com and the best toy lines to put out for our audience, we knew we wanted to do a MOTU collector line. Out of the blue, during our planning stage the Horsemen brought in a prototype He-Man figure. The stars were lining up perfectly. We put him out at SDCC to see if there was buzz, and boy was there!

    The original plan was to offer MOTU Classic figures in two packs similar to the DCU figures. Three two packs were planned out, He-Man vs. Beastman, Skeletor vs. Stratos and Zodac vs. Mer-Man. The idea was to release one every other month at a $40.00 price point. At the last minute we changed plans betting on this line being a success and the packs were broken up and sold as singles. (gulp - please be a success!) We even added one last character - Hordak - in hope it would take off and we could sell a baseline number of figures each month. Faker became an easy repaint for NYCC assuming again that the line took off. If not, we would have gotten at least to Hordak and that would have been it.

    Well obviously the line was a huge success, enough that we planned out a full year of one figure a month ending with Adora in December, making sure we got in one POP figure in year 1.

    But Mer-Man ran really late and not only did Faker need to get bumped into a monthly figure slot, but it threw off the rest of the year so that Scareglow was no longer the Halloween figure and Adora had to get bumped to year 2. Not the end of the world, but it showed that we needed a system in place to guarantee at least one figure a month shipped.

    Hence the "bonus figures" were born. Despite speculation that these figures were done to increase the number of MOTU figures we sold each month, Zodak and Goddess were chosen as extra figures as our insurance policy. They were relatively inexpensive to do and in case another figure ran late we could simply slot one of them in to guarantee one new figure was available per month.

    Luckily we did not run into any more problems in 2009 and the remaining monthly figures all shipped on time. So Zodak and Goddess were released as "bonus" figures at the end of the year. This is why "bonus" figures will not be part of any subscription program. We need to hold onto them to make sure there is at least one new figure per month if any slip-ups happen in production.

    We are going to continue to create a few back up variations of A level characters starting in Jan. with Battle Armor He-Man. If a "monthly" figure slips schedule, we will just slot in one of our back ups in its place. If everyone ships on time, the back ups will be offered as bonus figures about once a quarter. We'll do 3-4 in total in 2010, all variants of A level characters. And again, this will not be part of the subscription.

    We're also very excited to be getting to larger scale beasts in 2010. You've seen Battle Cat and we have some great ideas to continue this line if he takes off. We'll have more to reveal at NYTF during collector night on Feb. 14th. (yes, we know this is before his on sale date - we're taking a bet again - gulp...)

    There will also be a few more re-releases in 2010. Not every figure will get re-released and they will not be re-released in the same order offered the first time (despite He-Man, Skeletor and Beastman setting this up). We also hold a few of every figure for customer service each month. If these are not needed we'll bring any extra to SDCC. Many are gone in full, so we may only have one or two customer service figures at SDCC.

    Our end goal is to get to every classic MOTU, POP, NA and new or majorly redesigned 200X series figure in the line; all in "Classics style". Right now we have a long term roll out in place taking us through 2016 with bios for every figure. Because MOTU has a limited number of A list characters, it was important to create this road map to make sure the line had a long life to it (we didn't want to front load all the fan requests into year 1 and 2 and kill teh lein erlay). Of course a movie release or if Mattel is able to gain access to any additional MOTU characters things could change. It is a very flexible plan, but at least we have a roadmap to get us where we want to go and to make sure the bios tell a nice full story revealed bit by bit.

    All of us at Mattel couldn't be more excited about the future of the MOTU Classics line. And of course it would not be a success without all the fans. Your continued support and input is most important. This line is for the fans. We're working on ironing out all the shipping and ordering issues so hopefully this will be a thing of the past by January.

    Look for some major surprises in Feb with at least 4 new figures revealed and some additional skus no one is expecting! - Oh, and we'll have images of Evil Lyn with all of her accessories including 3 additional ones not seen yet in early January.

    Lastly, we will get to a re-release of King Grayskull with slight deco changes, but don't count on this until very late in 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skystalker View Post
    i thought at NY Toy Fair in 2009 that Hordak, MAA, and Tri-Klops were revealed. Doesn't that mean that at least by Feb. 2009, the line had been greenlit for continuation?
    I dont believe it was nytf, if anything it was nycc, which was also held in february, so its possible, tho im sure we'll find out soon enough, i just remember definitely lookin at a motuc merman BEFORE heman was released

    Ok according to my friends website (who i feel does a great job documenting toys and conventions http://parrygamepreserve.com/feature...ectorPanel.php)

    Hordak and triclops were revealed during a panel at nycc in february of 09, merman was already in package at that point, and nycc 09 took place a week prior to nytf

    Hordak and triclops were also on the floor, as well as a prototype teela (non painted it appears). So idk, So depending on how fast the 4h can sculpt, who knows when they were green lit, but it was clearly prior to stratos being sold on feb 15th. Skeletor was a 2 week seller, just "okay" by todays standards, but at that time a good sell time, the. Stratos lasted what, 3 days? Something in scotts story doesnt make sense but thats all good, its still entertaining. (by not making sense i mean him saying it takes 6 months from final sculpt to make a figure at the factory and have it in our hands... Clearly NOT the time line they were using at the time)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NastyNate View Post
    we DO! The 2nd release Keldor came with purple half swords that fit together just like the 2nd King Grayskull
    REALLY?!??!!?!


    How'd they manage to make changes without taking an SKU slot?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skystalker View Post
    I think the issue here may be that Scott's memory isn't always spot on. In the job he has, things are changing all the time, and unless you right things down as you are going, it's easy to misremember certain things. Don't know if he is doing that in this case.

    Kind of like Stan Lee. Now before the pitchforks and tomatoes come out, I'm not saying Scott is on the same level creatively. But Stan has a notoriously poor memory, probably due to the fact that he was writer, editor, and so on. Scott is similarly in charge of keeping many things together for MOTUC, which he has said is a side project in relation to his main responsibilities. I think he just forgets sometimes what he has said, what has been said about which figure, which management decisions were made as a result of which snafu, etc.
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    TG's lead: approve or reject

    Just to be sure my post is not out of place in this thread I will say I like these new blogs.

    But, since it is evident that any communication from TG causes so many diverse reactions, I would suggest to administrators/moderators of our community to design some poll to see what's the feeling of the fan base regarding TG's lead of the line and his role as voicer of Mattel.

    Sometimes it seems (based on trend of threads) that most people dislikes whatever TG does or says, some people express it critically, others express it with "passion"... Well, I'm just curious to know what's the real fan-base support for the man that leads the line.

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    I'm really enjoying these blogs so far. I can't wait to see more of them.
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    this is a really good read and i'm happy for the insite, but some of the things he wrote about are real eye openers regarding the ethics of this company.

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    Tallstar, I like your 2009 quote. Interesting that he said that bonus figures would never be part of the sub.

    I understand the concept of bonus figures filling in a spot in case something goes wrong, but since he admitted that they are cheap to make, and we are paying for 12 monthly figures, shouldn't we expect none of those 12 figures to be cheap repaints? The system is flawed.

    That being said, I love Battleground Evil Lyn and I loved the first version of Snake Man-At-Arms that we were shown, but since a figure like SMAA could potentially be a monthly figure, doesn't that mean that we should be allowed to expect him to come with all of the fan-demanded pieces that 'weren't budgeted' for him? Otherwise we end up paying full price for a monthly figure that cost Mattel less to make.

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    ...I've got questions:
    1) You say that management didn't want 200X heads in the first place, but Marzo and Whiplash got through. Before August 2010, there was no problem or did management not realize that Whiplash's alternate head was a 200X head?

    ...

    Personally, I wish he would beg a little harder for 200X heads. Selling more figures isn't a convincing argument? They aren't even seen in the packaging, so how could moms and kids get confused?
    Persoanlly, I think that it's Scott who nixed the 200X heads. I can't see upper management caring that much (especially if it could make more money). Scott has already said in his first blog post that he created a line that HE wanted. I'm guessing that he nixed 2nd heads (only on certain characters) to keep costs down, increase profilts, and make himself look good.
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    Its a shame that we didn't get the retro packaging. If they aren't changing it for the 30th anniversary, I think its here to stay.

    It just looks so generic to me. I am not really a MOC collector as I open everything up to display, but if they had artwork like the original red burst/rocks I would pick some up to display.

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    Awesome blog... really great insight into the line. Funny how people can still find fault with it...lol.

    Anyways, can't wait for the next one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lannyjack View Post
    Its a shame that we didn't get the retro packaging. If they aren't changing it for the 30th anniversary, I think its here to stay.

    It just looks so generic to me. I am not really a MOC collector as I open everything up to display, but if they had artwork like the original red burst/rocks I would pick some up to display.
    Yeah, I have NO DOUBT there would be A LOT more MOC collectors, and at the very least people who would pick up a few core characters just to keep MOC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oICEMANo View Post
    Last time I checked Neitlich wasn't pushing 90...
    True that, but Stan Lee has had a poor memory for decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by He-Boy View Post
    Persoanlly, I think that it's Scott who nixed the 200X heads. I can't see upper management caring that much (especially if it could make more money). Scott has already said in his first blog post that he created a line that HE wanted. I'm guessing that he nixed 2nd heads 9only on certain characters) to keep costs down, increase profilts, and make himself look good.
    Really? The same man who wanted a figure of Carnivus decided to pull the plug on 200x heads? I don't mean to be rude, but comments like that make criticisms of Scott sound petty and motivated more out of jealousy than actual issues. It makes it hard for those who have an overall good opinion of Scott to take criticisms of him seriously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tallstar View Post
    Found the December 2009 post, since folks keep discussing the topic. heheh
    Thanks for posting this, but I think it proves more that Scott sometimes has a poor memory because of all the wild cats he has to herd than anything else. That being said, he would be wise to review some of his past posts before he says more.
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    Because this was an online toy line, management did not see why we needed full color packaging
    This made me scratch my head.. Could they be THAT out of touch?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by He-Boy View Post
    Persoanlly, I think that it's Scott who nixed the 200X heads. I can't see upper management caring that much (especially if it could make more money). Scott has already said in his first blog post that he created a line that HE wanted. I'm guessing that he nixed 2nd heads 9only on certain characters) to keep costs down, increase profilts, and make himself look good.
    I agree. But I don't think he removed them because he hated 200X. It's because the 200X heads is an easy refresh for alot of characters. TG likes 200X, but he also knows that they are the top alternate heads that the fandom wants. That is why Alcala heads, Cardback heads and Style Guide heads don't confuse the brand identity or moms and kids (the alternate heads are out of view in the package anyway), like 200X heads apparently do. Stinkor and Moss Man apparently won't confuse the brand or moms and kids either.

    Back in December 2010, TG said that 200X heads were great ways to refresh the characters (only it's the same exact figure with a new head), so that might be a way to re-sell alot of characters who ordinarily wouldn't ever come back out again. Clawful, Sy-Klone, Buzz-Off, Grizzlor and Snout Spout never had variants in the vintage line. With 200X heads, he could re-release a bunch of those one figure characters. He's probably saving those heads as some incentive to buy the 2013 sub.

    I could see upper management caring if one of them used to work on the 200X line and had a hard time surviving through the line ending. Out of all the various sources of extra heads and 200X is singled out? I think someone at Mattel went through some very bad times in 2003 and will nix anything that reminds him of those times. However, TG said that there was no mythical "200X Hating Executive" over at Mattel.

    I don't see upper management as being that picky toward characters in a toyline that doesn't matter much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by He-Boy View Post
    …Persoanlly, I think that it's Scott who nixed the 200X heads. I can't see upper management caring that much (especially if it could make more money). Scott has already said in his first blog post that he created a line that HE wanted. I'm guessing that he nixed 2nd heads (only on certain characters) to keep costs down, increase profits, and make himself look good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skystalker View Post
    Really? The same man who wanted a figure of Carnivus decided to pull the plug on 200x heads? I don't mean to be rude, but comments like that make criticisms of Scott sound petty and motivated more out of jealousy than actual issues. It makes it hard for those who have an overall good opinion of Scott to take criticisms of him seriously.
    I don’t mean to rude, but that thinking is very simple-minded. Just because I don’t praise Scott I must be jealous? Come on now.

    Carnivus is a character, not a head. Or is everything too black and white for you to see the difference? I am not saying Scott is anti-200X, I am suggesting that he has admitted (several times) that he has influenced the line according to his own tastes, so it’s not totally unreasonable to think that the decision to stop 200X heads hasn’t really come from ‘upper management’. It’s just a convenient way to decide when to give someone an extra head (or whatever) and what to call it. Battleground seems to be popular at the moment.

    If Upper Management are against 200X from a design point of view, why does Fisto come with his 200X head AND Sword? My guess is because it was cheap (minimal changes to the head and the sword was already sculpted) and perhaps because Scott wanted them.

    I, too, have an ‘overall good opinion’ of Scott, but not with blind devotion. I love how anyone who doesn’t praise Scott is petty and jealous and has no valid point.

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    I'm enjoying the blogs. A few things...

    - TG is insinuating that He-Man was released before Beast Man. They were simultaneous releases.
    - To the person who asked about international fans, when He-Man and BM were released, it cost around $45ish per figure as an Australian. With our dollar now at parity with the US, sub figures can be around $25-30 per figure. Quite a difference.
    - Lol @ TG's 2009 post about the quarterly variants not being part of the sub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oICEMANo View Post
    Last time I checked Neitlich wasn't pushing 90...
    To be fair, I'm 31 and I have hard time remembering some specific details from a business-meeting I've attented to few months without a memo. And I'm not the only one at least in our organization - that's why we make good memo's and keep possible follow-up meetings quickly when needed. I can remember the major stuff that has been going on for the last years, but the details do get blurred (like who wrote which memo, or in what meetings were certain things decided). In the grand scale of things that Scott is managing, I could see He-man's swords or removable armors being examples from the huge amount of little decisisions that he's involved in making of. And I could imagine there being lots of bigger decisions that he deals with too (like the budget, issues with DR and stuff like that). It's been over three years since the line started, so I am not surprised if some details are a bit off. It doesn't mean that there is a lie involved or any intent to mislead anyone. Things get blurred and I think that for many of us, that's just how it goes.
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    Fair enough... still seems like something that should stick in ones memory... being such a huge fan and all...
    Still doesn't change my perception though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by He-Boy View Post
    Tallstar, I like your 2009 quote. Interesting that he said that bonus figures would never be part of the sub.
    To be fair... I blame the fans for messing THAT up. I remember a LOT of people screaming for the 'All in' subscriptions in order to save on shipping... Considering the way the 12 figures turned to 16 turned into 4 beasts and two or three packs and every other thing... I really wish THAT was a change they never listened to.

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