How many people have actually quit MOTUC completely due to digital river?

[CocoaSmooth]

Now enter the opposition who will defend Mattel, DR, and TG at all costs...

I wont defend them but I will say that if you are really down for MOTU you will stay the course.

[bskcase]

I wont defend them but I will say that if you are really down for MOTU you will stay the course.

I got to agree too. It's all about the figures and supporting MOTUC. If your ok with the line going down, then your not a fan.

[RyanSD]

I got to agree too. It's all about the figures and supporting MOTUC. If your ok with the line going down, then your not a fan.

What the...!?!? Because DR continues to mess up and people get fed up with it, they're somehow not a fan? I'm sure not too many people want the line to fail, but at some point the hassle becomes more than its worth.

For me March went through without an issue, surprisingly, and I just got email confirmation for April. Still kind of hoping my sub will get cancelled after May though...

[kup]

I have a friend who has cancelled his subscription after his February order never arrived. He was new to Matty and collecting too so I would say that these screw ups are certainly hurting the longevity of the line since not even subscribers are guaranteed their figures now.

[orkothewizard]

I got to agree too. It's all about the figures and supporting MOTUC. If your ok with the line going down, then your not a fan.

???
Fans buy motuc because they love the figures;
they recieve sometimes bad quality figures, nothing arrives or they have to make phonecalls to recieve what they have paid for;
this results in waiting, frustration and if you call cs you don't feel like they are helping let alone understand your problems;
you still love the figures but the line goes down because of how costumers get threathed

I would say that mattel is ok with this tiny tiny line going down and that we as fans would all love to see that everything goes wright

You make it look like mattel is a charity and we should all keep donating or we aren't fans anymore.

The ones that keep defending matty should look where the problem lies, not with the misthreathed fans that are fed up.
It's possible that you never encounterd any problems with matty but keep in mind that when a lot of people quit this line for obvious reasons, eventually there will be no line anymore

If you are ok with how the line has been handled, then you are not a fan!

The longlivity of this line lies with mattel and not with motu fans.

[bowspearer]

Now enter the opposition who will defend Mattel, DR, and TG at all costs...

Not quite-

I wont defend them but I will say that if you are really down for MOTU you will stay the course.

In fact what we actually have is the real fan trope.

The irony is that the amount of ASSumption at play here is astounding.

But since I've been challenged on it, I'll call the bluff.

I grew up with it as a kid, had the toys and loved it then. My favorite figure was Rio Blast. Then I moved onto Transformers and forgot about it for the most part. Then Robot Chicken hit and then Mo-Larr got made into a figure which gt me into MOTUC and from there, vintage MOTU, which I'll be keeping and will collect on and off from now on.

That's the thing though- here I am rediscovering the magic while Digital River, Evil Skeletor and Toyguru are destroying that magic for me at the same time. I currently have no faith in any of the 3 or Mattel in general anymore and so for me it's only vintage stuff from now on- short of a minor miracle.

If people want to claim that makes me "not a real fan" then so be it, but those people would do well to understand the difference between being a fan and being a doormat.

[Exinferis]

If people want to claim that makes me "not a real fan" then so be it, but those people would do well to understand the difference between being a fan and being a doormat.

This.

I'm not quite ready to quit... yet. But if Mattel/DR keep doing what they're doing with international fans it won't be long before I just stop loading my card.

[DJ_Convoy]

The "not a fan if" comments should seriously be looked at by the powers that be here as banning material. I am SO SICK of self-styled apologists, white knights and assorted sycophants who think that defending Mattel will give them some kind of reward or that they are somehow better fans than everyone else. MOTUC =/= MOTU. You don't have to like one to like the other.

I care about Masters, not about Mattel.

Next time some one whinges about negativity or complaint threads- think about what's worse- negativity and complaints or someone telling you that they are a "better fan" than you.

Again, as I told another apologist, if we were to measure our love of MOTU somehow in material goods (which would be a stupid, fatuous thing to do), you might not want to go down that road. How do you measure love for a toy line? WHY measure it? Bragging rights? Low self-esteem?

The NERVE to tell people that they aren't real fans. Incredible.

What is going on at the Org of late? If it isn't mods actively telling you to be complacent or complaints about complaining, it's posters wanting to measure the size of their... Staves of Avion to compare to yours. It's sad.

[Exinferis]

What makes me laugh about the "You're not a real fan if..." crowd is that most of them seem to hate one or other of the franchises. The die-hard vintage fans hate Filmation, POP and NA. The 200x fans hate the mini-comics, Filmation, POP and NA. The only fans that don't seem to hate everything else are the POP and NA fans. So, really, you can't be a "real" fan unless you love every aspect of MOTU, no?

And yes, those are massive generalisations! But that's the thing: people generalise about other people without knowing anything about that person, their lives or their collecting habits. Don't presume that I'm not a "real fan" just because the mini-comics don't appeal to me; I've read them, I just didn't like them. Don't tell me I'm not a "real fan" because Mattel keep loosing my figures in the post and I have to spend endless hours chasing the feckless ingrates at DR just to get the stuff I've paid for! Mattel aren't making these toys out of the goodness of their collective heart you know! They're doing it for one reason and one reason only: profit. They don't give a rat's rear end if we're happy or not because they know full well the apologists and the "I'll by anything if it's got MOTU written on it" crowd will buy their stuff, no matter how many Roboto's crack, how many Goddess' spontaneously explode, or how many Snout Spout's trunk's split!

And yes, I'm all full of hypocrisy because I'm still buying them too! I'm giving Mattel the benefit of the doubt right now, trusting that TG hasn't lied to us for the umpteenth time and that this time things will improve. If he breaks his word again then I'll reconsider my position. Right now my desire to own the figures is outweighing my concerns about their quality.

Real fan? Pah!

[DJ_Convoy]

I don't think it makes you a hypocrite; you just haven't reached a saturation point with this nonsense.

[Exinferis]

I'm getting there though. Last year DR failed to deliver two of my orders in a row (Oct. and Dec. orders) and since then things just seem to be getting progressively worse.

I just thought I'd put the hypocrite thing in there before someone else chucked it at me!

[DJ_Convoy]

Nottrufaan!!!111!

[Exinferis]

Deth of teh lin!

[jibernish]

I got to agree too. It's all about the figures and supporting MOTUC. If your ok with the line going down, then your not a fan.

That's simply not true. Life isn't so black and white.

And I would add that anyone who has ever bought a figure is a bigger fan of He-man than Mattel is. Mattel is only a fan of money.

[Dr Kain]

I haven't yet, but if they don't start combining shipping for my sub orders, I'm going to cancel my subs.

[mekaneckpain]

Yeah, I'm a bit perplexed to read posts that say, "if you don't support MOTUC, then your not a fan." It's not that we don't support it, If anything we want to see it get better. But there comes a point when you have to ask yourself --- Should I continue to get screwed by Mattel and risk having a stress related heart attack, or should I cancel the subs and live longer? I personally will not stop collecting these figures, at least until Ram man and Mekaneck come out. But if I get stressed out enough to the point where it's ruining my life, I will cancel/not renew my sub(s). I can always get them some place else at a later date.

[CocoaSmooth]

All I said was if you were really down for MOTU you would stay the course...I never said anyone not being a real fan...I went through this before already with Subscription vs The Cherry Pickers...If ya'll want the line to die then fine don't buy anything...I don't really care either way... You can call me anything ya'll want I don't care...as long as I still get my toys...Start blocking me if ya'll feel like I offend you because really I don't care...The only people who lose when all is said and done are the Fans who wanted more toys because somewhere in the middle of everything a bunch of Fans QUIT buying because it was too much of a hassle for them because of Digital river or Mattel's dumb moves...

That's simply not true. Life isn't so black and white.

And I would add that anyone who has ever bought a figure is a bigger fan of He-man than Mattel is. Mattel is only a fan of money.

Try telling that to the horseman and all the people invovled in the MOTU project....

Not quite-



In fact what we actually have is the real fan trope.

The irony is that the amount of ASSumption at play here is astounding.

But since I've been challenged on it, I'll call the bluff.

I grew up with it as a kid, had the toys and loved it then. My favorite figure was Rio Blast. Then I moved onto Transformers and forgot about it for the most part. Then Robot Chicken hit and then Mo-Larr got made into a figure which gt me into MOTUC and from there, vintage MOTU, which I'll be keeping and will collect on and off from now on.

That's the thing though- here I am rediscovering the magic while Digital River, Evil Skeletor and Toyguru are destroying that magic for me at the same time. I currently have no faith in any of the 3 or Mattel in general anymore and so for me it's only vintage stuff from now on- short of a minor miracle.

If people want to claim that makes me "not a real fan" then so be it, but those people would do well to understand the difference between being a fan and being a doormat.

Im not assuming ****...The toys wont buy themselves...I want the line to continue...Thats all...I'm not questioning anyone's loyalty but I am challenging fans to stay along for the ride...

Yeah, I'm a bit perplexed to read posts that say, "if you don't support MOTUC, then your not a fan." It's not that we don't support it, If anything we want to see it get better. But there comes a point when you have to ask yourself --- Should I continue to get screwed by Mattel and risk having a stress related heart attack, or should I cancel the subs and live longer? I personally will not stop collecting these figures, at least until Ram man and Mekaneck come out. But if I get stressed out enough to the point where it's ruining my life, I will cancel/not renew my sub(s). I can always get them some place else at a later date.

If the Toyline does affect your health then I recommend you do sit this one out. I'm sure that Mattel will find ways to **** the Fans off on a regular basis.

[DJ_Convoy]

Alrighty.

I challenge fans to not buy something blindly because they want to support "the line," but rather because they actually like/want it. I challenge fans to not settle for less. I challenge fans to think again if they are the victim of DR chicanery or Mattel QC. I challenge fans to enjoy MOTU any way they want to, as long as they aren't telling anyone else how to do it.

I challenge fans to acknowledge that everyone is different and that others do not have to buy MOTUC to support YOU.

[CocoaSmooth]

Alrighty.

I challenge fans to not buy something blindly because they want to support "the line," but rather because they actually like/want it. I challenge fans to not settle for less. I challenge fans to think again if they are the victim of DR chicanery or Mattel QC. I challenge fans to enjoy MOTU any way they want to, as long as they aren't telling anyone else how to do it.

I challenge fans to acknowledge that everyone is different and that others do not have to buy MOTUC to support YOU.

If you are trying to mock me then congratulations good job...

[DJ_Convoy]

Not at all. But I seem to recall briefly discussing empathy with you in the past, and had hoped I had given you something to think about.

All of us enjoy MOTU on our own terms, and not anybody else's. Where our terms intersect, that's when we have common ground. Where they don't, that's where we have differences. It's not up to you, me or anyone to tell anyone else how to enjoy something.

If you enjoy those vintage, well-made toys, you're KILLING TEH LIEN!!!

[lovelikewinter]

It's not worth the hassle dealing with DR anymore. It's stopped being fun. Instead of looking forward to a new figure, I dread what new problems will arise. I've had figures sent that I didn't order, and still had to pay shipping (I'm going to be on the phone about that tomorrow)

We have incompetent customer service. We have a brand manager with poor communication skills, who manages to anger almost everyone. QC is non existant. Im just upset about the whole thing. Its time to be done.

[bowspearer]

It's stopped being fun. Instead of looking forward to a new figure, I dread what new problems will arise.

This is the problem in a nutshell. This is why people are walking away. This is why refunds solve nothing. This is why penny pinching on production lines with Fisto and Sorceress will not save Mattel any money but cost them business in the long run. This is what will kill the line dead as a doorknob.

Mattel had a great opportunity with fans to get people back into MOTU with the sculpts, designs and engineering of the figures they had. Yet between there and the manufacturing, distribution and customer service components of things, they've generated far more grief and resentment for collecting the line than the magic the line has allowed people to rediscover. Considering how much magic there was there; that's saying alot.

[darkmoon766]

the screw-ups are so bad that it comes down to a choice between personal dignity and collecting the line. Obviously people are fans of the line who have collected it, otherwise they never would have bought the figures. However every single customer has a limit and every product has a grief threshold before joy and magic turns into stress and resentment.

Ride the magic line of fascination and dignity.... MOTUC..mmm.. Fattening...

[Beeto Bot]

I'm about 99% sure I won't be subscribing again because of Mattel and DR. There would have to be some miracle changes to make me subscribe again. I'm not sure if I will quit completely--I might buy a figure here or there-- but, I'm contemplating it. I'm tired of toys being a hassle. They should add to my enjoyment of life, not take away from it.

I wont defend them but I will say that if you are really down for MOTU you will stay the course.

What exactly do you mean by really down for MOTU? It certainly seems like a reference to dedication to the brand.

I got to agree too. It's all about the figures and supporting MOTUC. If your ok with the line going down, then your not a fan.

I have to disagree. You can still be a fan of MOTU and not support the toyline. Mattel and DR have really done some bad things lately and there have been a lot of broken promises. I don't see any reason why a fan of motu should have to deal with this. To be honest I doubt anyone (including any mod apparently) is interested in arbitrary, subjective measures of fandom.

[scott metzger]

I wont defend them but I will say that if you are really down for MOTU you will stay the course.

So I'm supposed to keep dealing with a company that tried to charge me nearly 700 dollars for merchandise I didn't order, because if I don't, I'm not a true He-Man fan?

I bought the vast majority of the MOTU line (save the foreign releases, which I went back and got in the 90's). I got all but a few pieces from NA. I think I have everything Mattel released for 2002. I wrote to the major retailers (more than once) in support of the MOTU 2002 line when Mattel flooded the pegs with funky blue He-Men. I've bought every figure they've offered in the MOTU line from its inception, and had a sub from day one (almost literally; I signed up for the sub either the first day it was offered or the next day). I put up with numerous problems, including having my sub cancelled twice in one year through no fault of mine (there was always more than enough on my default cards to cover the figures and then some, just not on the cards long cancelled they tried to charge). I still get the figure through BBTS even at a slightly higher cost just to avoid the mess that is Matty, because I'm not going to deal with a company when I have to check my card every hour to make sure they aren't racking up bogus charges.

If the line goes under, it has nothing to do with people not being "true fans." It has to do with people having common sense and not wanting to deal with a company whose only claim to fame is as the most inept e-tailer folks have ever seen, and basing everything on subs that no longer even guarantee that you actually get the figure you were promised.