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The question becomes: will this spill over into Washington?
Based on the record, Goodell has imposed the following discipline on Saints management:
The New Orleans Saints are fined $500,000. In addition, because the violation involves a competitive rule, the Saints will forfeit their selections in the second round of the 2012 and 2013 NFL drafts.
Saints Head Coach Sean Payton is suspended without pay for the 2012 NFL season, effective April 1.
Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis is suspended without pay for the first eight regular-season games of the 2012 season.
Former Saints (and current St. Louis Rams) defensive coordinator Gregg Williams is suspended indefinitely from the NFL, effective immediately. Commissioner Goodell will review Williams’ status at the conclusion of the 2012 season and consider whether to reinstate him, and, if so, on what terms. Commissioner Goodell said he will give close attention to the extent to which Williams cooperates with the NFL in any further proceedings.
Saints assistant head coach Joe Vitt is suspended without pay for the first six regular-season games of the 2012 season.
The Saints and the individuals disciplined today are expected to participate in efforts led by the league office to develop programs that will instruct players and coaches at all levels of the game on the need for respect for the game and those who participate in it, on principles of fair play, safety and sportsmanship, and to ensure that bounties will not be part of football at any level.
Players facing potential discipline still under review.
Last edited by BCI Guy; March 21, 2012 at 01:10pm.
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The question becomes: will this spill over into Washington?
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I just saw this. To me, this is a pretty stiff punishment. It is more than what happened to New England over Spygate.Originally Posted by BCI Guy
And it should be.
Cheating is bad. Intentionally trying to injure is MUCH worse.
Because it only happens in the Saints club house.
Wow, I never imagined Payton would be suspended for a year. Good for the Commish though, something needed to be done, and this should send a good message to the rest of the league.
If the Saints cheated and they tried to intentionally injure a player, then they should get punished. I was surprised that Goodell was this tough - tougher on the Saints than the Patriots.
This is how "making an example of someone" works.
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Breaking rules rarely get the same punishment when the rules broken were different rules broken. Just like most church groups on youth trips, you get caught with tobacco it's getting flushed down the toilet for the first offense, you beat someone up you're getting sent home.
One is a team just cheating, the other is a team got caught trying to injure other players. One affects the outcome of a game, the other affects the outcome of someone's life.
Again, it isn't that other teams don't have these it's the fact the Saints got caught. People break the rules and laws all the time and typically the punishment they get is a direct result of their actions (breaking driving laws). Just because you didn't get caught doesn't mean it isn't against the rules, but for the authorities to do something they have to catch you. This is why some states are starting to outlaw police scanners in cars that warn people of nearby police.
No one is saying other teams don't do this, the other teams just haven't done anything to get caught. Other teams probably stick strictly to verbal agreements said behind closed doors, which are hard to prove when often the person speaking out has the potential to be disgruntled, or does so far removed from the incidents in question. Chances are in this case there was the proverbial paper trail or some sort, which means they didn't do a very good job of hiding what they were doing. Which goes to another problem, a team that keeps something like this under wraps realizes it's wrong but does it anyways. A team that has a paper trail means they don't care, which puts them in a worse light, because it means they are proud of it.
And yes they are probably making an example of someone, because they haven't caught the other teams. Which is away of saying stop because if we catch you the same will happen or don't let us find out.
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Exactly this, its also a harsher punishment because instead of admitting they had the system and using the defense "like everyone else" they lied about it.
That in turn made the investigation bigger news then it would have been had they just said "yeah we do it, so does everyone else" and negative PR = loss in revenue. Especially for an organization that is trying to shake off the stigma that is supports its players health conditions after they retire and is trying to get kids healthy.
What the Patriots did was more akin to white collar crime, where as the Saints acts could be viewed as dangerous and therefore harsher (assault, intent to mame)
The Saints got caught, end of story. Other teams would be wise to learn the lesson, and certainly not to boast about it if they decide after this to continue.
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Looks like Sean Peyton is going after Bill Parcells to be interim coach. Brilliant move.
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It sounds like they are going to try to appeal the suspension. With Goodell being the judge, jury, and executioner, I'm not sure if they'll have much luck.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/77...on-source-says
I know this is an old quote, but...
Gregg Williams seems to disagree.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/77...o-49ers-speech
Williams can be heard in the audio recording instructing his defensive players to injure quarterback Alex Smith, running back Frank Gore, tight end Vernon Davis and receivers Michael Crabtree and Kyle Williams.
According to Pamphilon, Gregg Williams pointed to his chin while telling his players to hit Smith "right there" and says, "Remember me. I got the first one. I got the first one. Go get it. Go lay that m----------- out."
Williams uses one of his favorite slogans in the speech -- "Kill the head and the body will die."
On Gore: "We've got to do everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore's head. We want him running sideways. We want his head sideways."
On running back Kendall Hunter: "Little 32, we're going to knock the f--- out of him."
On Smith: "Every single one of you, before you get off the pile, affect the head. Early, affect the head. Continue, touch and hit the head."
On Kyle Williams: "We need to find out in the first two series of the game, that little wide receiver, No. 10, about his concussion. We need to f------ put a lick on him right now. He needs to decide. He needs to f------ decide."
On Crabtree: "We need to decide whether Crabtree wants to be a fake-ass prima donna, or he wants to be a tough guy. We need to find out. He becomes human when we f------ take out that outside ACL."
On Davis: "We need to decide how many times we can bull rush and and we can f------ put Vernon Davis' ankles over the pile."
Sadly, you can't divorce emotion from a toyline based on nostalgia.
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NEW ORLEANS -- The U.S. Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Louisiana was told Friday that New Orleans Saints general manager Mickey Loomis had an electronic device in his Superdome suite that had been secretly re-wired to enable him to eavesdrop on visiting coaching staffs for nearly three NFL seasons, "Outside the Lines" has learned.
Sources familiar with Saints game-day operations told "Outside the Lines" that Loomis, who faces an eight-game suspension from the NFL for his role in the recent bounty scandal, had the ability to secretly listen for most of the 2002 season, his first as general manager of the Saints, and all of the 2003 and 2004 seasons. The sources spoke with "Outside the Lines" under the condition of anonymity because of fear of reprisals from members of the Saints organization.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...hes-home-games
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