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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifty View Post
    Respectfully, I believe that using Vykron as a reason to revive your own thread (which had been dormant for over a month) and launch another tired attack on TG is pretty weak sauce ... especially when this was drawn out ad nauseum last month. But that's just my opinion.
    Yeah I'm gonna have to go along with you and agree on this- if you think Vykron sucks donkey scrotum then that's certainly your right but to use it as an excuse to bash Neitlich some more just seems in bad taste, not to mention the guy has been making a legitimate MAJOR effort lately to be more courteous and open to fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada-Man View Post
    Thats your opinion. I think the vintage figure head is the most iconic. Thats why when vykron comes out i'm customizing one to be a he-man head!!

    I think you and I have different definitions of "iconic". To me it is whatever is most well known, and no one knows about He-Man and doesn't know about the cartoon; whenever most people hear his name, him holding up The Sword Of Power during the transformation sequence is the first thing they think of. Since that is how he is most commonly known, that (to me) is the most iconic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mern-Ra View Post
    I think you and I have different definitions of "iconic". To me it is whatever is most well known, and no one knows about He-Man and doesn't know about the cartoon; whenever most people hear his name, him holding up The Sword Of Power during the transformation sequence is the first thing they think of. Since that is how he is most commonly known, that (to me) is the most iconic.
    That's true, but aren't the vintage toy and the Filmation cartoon pretty much synonymous with each other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    I think TG should have made a Filmation He-Man vs Filmation Skeletor 2 pack for SDCC, in addition to Vykron. If they couldn't do it this year, then consider it as another MOTUC SDCC item for next year. Make Filmation He-Man with Buzz-Off dark skin, new Filmation head and hair, cartoon accurate Sword of Power, new scabbard and harness, sword aloft removable hand and repaint the existing figure to Filmation colors. For Skeletor, his only change is a Filmation head. They could reuse the smooth arms from Photog and give him the Keldor boots. Make a new Crystal Ball axe and Havoc Staff with Crystal Ball in the back and there you go. Maybe include some extras like a Prince Adam colored Filmation He-Man head that you could pop onto the existing Adam figure or the Diamond Ray of Disappearance.

    If that does well, then follow-up with Filmation She-Ra vs Filmation Hordak for next year. She-Ra herself might not be different, but she would come with a crapload of "Sword to __________ weapons". Hordak would be the blue Filmation version. Pack him with Imp.

    Some fans scoff at variants, but I think THAT 2 pack would have outsold almost anything except for an existing character. Now THAT would have been a novelty that would have sold to FAR more than just hardcore MOTU fans.

    Absolutely SPOT ON ! Honestly, there should have been 2 SDCC exclusives for this year. It’s the 30th anniversary Of MOTU after all ! One for celebrating He-Man & Skeletor legacy, while the other for, “where it all began” retro respect. The truth is, they have messed up both ! Had Vykron set would have been a 3 pack, it would sell MORE than what “high piece count” Vykron is going to. The execution was poor & nobody can deny that !!

    One thing I am not so sure is Buzz-Off “tan” He-Man you are talking about. I don’t know how many people will like that idea. Not everybody is a fan of “Filmation” He-Man after all. I guess it would be cat & mouse game form selling point of view (Though I am die-hard Filmation fan, I am confused with this. That is why I keep pushing for He-Man “2.0” instead of “Filmation” He-Man) ! Another thing is, It would also kill the mix & match parts fun from other He-Man variants (say Prince Adam smiling head).

    But Hey, How about an idea of making the tan deco variant as SDCC version & the “normal” skin tone deco as Matty version OR vice versa ? That way, some fans could hunt for both & some can go after the one they prefer without any confusion !!



    Quote Originally Posted by Swifty View Post
    Respectfully, I believe that using Vykron as a reason to revive your own thread (which had been dormant for over a month) and launch another tired attack on TG is pretty weak sauce ... especially when this was drawn out ad nauseum last month. But that's just my opinion.
    Respectfully, Disagreeing On This !

    There is no harm in reviving a “lost” thread with a valid reason ! Nobody is “attacking” or hurting TG (at least not me). I am just expressing my displeasure on his recent Q&A answers on Filmation variants (especially on Skeletor) on a rightful thread, just like other members does on other threads for various reasons !

    Sure, the guy is doing lots of good things for this line. But at the same time, I also want him to act with a the interest of fairness ! Filmation Variants deserves to be in this line & I simply want him to understand this. It’s like how NA & POP fans asking for more figures per year. Heck, Even some decent amount of POP fans will be willing to buy/see Filmation He-Man, Skeletor, Prince Adam etc, Since these characters appeared on POP cartoon as well ! So why not make these figures without any hesitation ?

    They are giving us (Vykron & his tanker head) a figure that most of us never even heard or imagined of. It is coming WITHOUT any absolute demand ! Fine.... Glad for that !! But why not show the same courtesy on Filmation Variants as well ? That IS exactly what I am asking for ! I remember a member with an avatar displaying, MATTEL – WE “TELL” WHAT THE FANS WANT ! It shouldn’t be like this really..... they have to agree on fans likings as well !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mern-Ra View Post
    I think you and I have different definitions of "iconic". To me it is whatever is most well known, and no one knows about He-Man and doesn't know about the cartoon; whenever most people hear his name, him holding up The Sword Of Power during the transformation sequence is the first thing they think of. Since that is how he is most commonly known, that (to me) is the most iconic.
    Remember that a lot of us spend more time playing with the toys than watching the cartoon.
    In a lot of countries the cartoon wasnt even broadcasted.
    In the Netherlands we had 1 20-minute episode on Wednesdays.
    I played at least 40 hours a week with my Heman figure.
    My vintage He-man is the iconic one. ��

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    Quote Originally Posted by TUC138 View Post
    One thing I am not so sure is Buzz-Off “tan” He-Man you are talking about. I don’t know how many people will like that idea. Not everybody is a fan of “Filmation” He-Man after all. I guess it would be cat & mouse game form selling point of view (Though I am die-hard Filmation fan, I am confused with this. That is why I keep pushing for He-Man “2.0” instead of “Filmation” He-Man) ! Another thing is, It would also kill the mix & match parts fun from other He-Man variants (say Prince Adam smiling head).

    But Hey, How about an idea of making the tan deco variant as SDCC version & the “normal” skin tone deco as Matty version OR vice versa ? That way, some fans could hunt for both & some can go after the one they prefer without any confusion !!


    He-Man is pretty dark in the cartoon (I guess I picked up on that at an early age since I'm black.) and making his skin visibly different and giving him a realistic Filmation head (ala POP characters) helps puts the whole "He's the same as Classic He-Man" argument to rest. I think the lighter skin toned He-Man idea would allow Mattel to re-use that He-Man, so it's not a one-use combination.

    As for Vykron, I wouldn't want Tank or Spaceman Vykron, so I'm glad that I have the choice to only buy one. Vykron is good for fans who like different or unique characters rather than repaints. If Mattel had two SDCC MOTUC exclusives (like they did in 2010 with Mo-Larr and Orko/Adam), then fans could either get unique characters, variants or both!


    Scott Metzger's Filmation He-Man custom



    Now this is something close to what I'm talking about! Just make some tweaks (make his skin Buzz-Off dark, make his symbol bigger, give him black eyes, color his belt and baracers two-toned similar to Tri-Klops, color the straps on the boots) and give him a scabbard, removable sword aloft hands and a Filmation Power Sword and there you go!

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    I can see "the company" taking Filmation characters and putting them through the "classics" machine. That makes all the sense in the world. But to actually tool a Filmation He-Man, which is a simpler representation of the MOTUC He-man is a bad idea. Not only is it a waste of tooling resources, but a simpler representation Of He-Man or Skeletor wouldn't fit in well with the rest of the line.

    If fans want Filmation characters exactly as they appeared in the cartoon, they should be in a seperate toy line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mekaneckpain View Post
    I can see "the company" taking Filmation characters and putting them through the "classics" machine. That makes all the sense in the world. But to actually tool a Filmation He-Man, which is a simpler representation of the MOTUC He-man is a bad idea. Not only is it a waste of tooling resources, but a simpler representation Of He-Man or Skeletor wouldn't fit in well with the rest of the line.

    If fans want Filmation characters exactly as they appeared in the cartoon, they should be in a seperate toy line.
    I agree. You can modify the existing bucks and tool some new pieces, just like Metzger's custom above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    I agree. You can modify the existing bucks and tool some new pieces, just like Metzger's custom above.
    I love your two pack idea and that custom looks great, but I'ld be satisfied with a Filmation Weapons/Armor pack and a Fimation accurate He-man and Skeletor head packaged with different figures. Throw the Skeletor head on Keldor's body and voila, Filmation Skeletor. Hordak needs more tooling and is probably the most drastic of the changes so I really hope he gets a varient slot, but the others....not necessary. Adora gave us She-ra's Filmation sword so she's covered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    That's true, but aren't the vintage toy and the Filmation cartoon pretty much synonymous with each other?
    Character wise, sure, design wise, NOT so much. Even as a 5 year old it drove me nuts how much the toy and cartoon differed.
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    Wow, that custom Filmation He-Man looks great, although in general; I'm not a huge fan of the Filmation character style.
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    If a "Filmation Variant" with the same buck we already have of the same figure and simply a new head or accessory took the place of a new variant (i.e. Dragon Blaster Skeletor) or new figure (i.e. Scorpia), I would be less than thrilled. I have zero desire to have another figure of the same one I already have purchased that merely has a new head/accessory. To each their own, but I hardly doubt I'm alone in this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/ar...445655-000.jpg

    He-Man is pretty dark in the cartoon (I guess I picked up on that at an early age since I'm black.) and making his skin visibly different and giving him a realistic Filmation head (ala POP characters) helps puts the whole "He's the same as Classic He-Man" argument to rest. I think the lighter skin toned He-Man idea would allow Mattel to re-use that He-Man, so it's not a one-use combination.

    As for Vykron, I wouldn't want Tank or Spaceman Vykron, so I'm glad that I have the choice to only buy one. Vykron is good for fans who like different or unique characters rather than repaints. If Mattel had two SDCC MOTUC exclusives (like they did in 2010 with Mo-Larr and Orko/Adam), then fans could either get unique characters, variants or both!


    Scott Metzger's Filmation He-Man custom
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    http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/m...g?t=1275595004

    Now this is something close to what I'm talking about! Just make some tweaks (make his skin Buzz-Off dark, make his symbol bigger, give him black eyes, color his belt and baracers two-toned similar to Tri-Klops, color the straps on the boots) and give him a scabbard, removable sword aloft hands and a Filmation Power Sword and there you go!
    I do know that Filmation He-Man has the same skin tone as Buzz-Off does (I’ll have consider myself DUMB if I don’t know that ). I absolutely love that & I would love to see him that way in his MOTUC form. At the same, I am slightly worried whether it will cause any hindrance during his sale. If we ever get to this figure, I am sure it will come with a removable “Hold Aloft Sword” hand as it is one of the popular demands by the fans. Like I said, not everybody is a fan of “Filmation” cartoon & I don’t want them missing this feature because of the different skin toned hand !

    Although I am fine with whatever skin tone he comes with, like I said earlier, making the darker skin tone deco as SDCC version & the “normal” skin tone deco as Matty version OR vice versa would be a perfect solution for making everybody happy ! We get He-Man 2.0 & Filmation He-Man at the same time & fans can go after the one they prefer !!


    BTW, that Filmation He-Man custom is AWESOME & this is EXACTLY how he should be in MOTUC !


    Quote Originally Posted by mekaneckpain View Post
    I can see "the company" taking Filmation characters and putting them through the "classics" machine. That makes all the sense in the world. But to actually tool a Filmation He-Man, which is a simpler representation of the MOTUC He-man is a bad idea. Not only is it a waste of tooling resources, but a simpler representation Of He-Man or Skeletor wouldn't fit in well with the rest of the line.

    If fans want Filmation characters exactly as they appeared in the cartoon, they should be in a seperate toy line.
    I AGREE 100% ON THIS !

    NOBODY wants to see “Dumbed Down Versions” in MOTUC !! The term “Filmation Accurate” is used for head sculpts, body style & deco ! NOT for “simplified” bracers & belt tights !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eterniandreams View Post
    Remember that a lot of us spend more time playing with the toys than watching the cartoon.
    In a lot of countries the cartoon wasnt even broadcasted.
    In the Netherlands we had 1 20-minute episode on Wednesdays.
    I played at least 40 hours a week with my Heman figure.
    My vintage He-man is the iconic one. ��
    And that's great, for you.

    But that's the minority of people.

    Millions upon millions of children watched those two shows together every day for many years. That's why at this point She-ra is often just as noteworthy as He-man - I have seen/heard She-ra's name three or four times in passing on various shows in the past few months (including a few weeks ago on the Talk), and He-man's maybe once or twice.

    You must remember, that over here in the "Bubble" we all know the history, backwards and forwards, etc. But to the general public, Filmation was the be all, end all. She-ra has been elevated herself to iconic status for both feminists and gay interests. He-man was the start, so his iconic status was already there.

    Most kids who played with the toys did it while watching the cartoon, or they acted out bits from the cartoon. Many many more millions of kids watched the cartoons than ever played with the toys - they were shown every day for an hour in much of the world (and absolutely every where in the US, their home country).

    That's why Filmation (and not just obscure, one-episode characters, but variants and such) is what will keep this line going. It could expose a whole new audience that hasn't collected it yet. And keep those "vintage" figures/protos/etc. coming as a by-product. There is no reason this line cannot grow - if only Mattel allows it to.

    Want to try an experiment? Type "He-man", or "She-ra", or even "Skeletor", etc. into Google Images and see what you find. Virtually 9/10 of the top hits are all Filmation. That's what people remember, and loved - the vintage toy only fans were a much smaller group.

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    Not everyone watched or liked the cartoon. Some of what's being posted here is way over-the-top. Saying filmation was the be-all end-all for motu is just wrong.
    He-Man is about the toys, always has been. Before and after that cartoon.
    It's easier to get a screencap than it is to take pictures of toys, which most people don't have. Which is why you will see that stuff in google images.
    The vintage toys, in particular, the vintage He-Man, are the most iconic in my opinion.

    To make variants like the cartoon would not be the classics style. To classicize it, it would look like the figure MGM posted above, which while a nice custom, would be completely superfluous and utterly pointless to add to the line. People flipped out over Snake MAA being included in the sub, so I can only imagine the uproar if something like that He-Man happened. As an optional SDCC thing, I can see it going over better, but personally I just don't see the point of it as the MOTUC He-Man is superior and more detailed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiplash7 View Post
    Not everyone watched or liked the cartoon. Some of what's being posted here is way over-the-top. Saying filmation was the be-all end-all for motu is just wrong.
    He-Man is about the toys, always has been. Before and after that cartoon.
    I'd say though the most of the general population know he-man because of the toon. it was HUGELY popular and MOTU (He-man and Skeletor to be specific) arguably remains a household name because the toon boosted the toyline so big.

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    He-Man is pretty dark in the cartoon (I guess I picked up on that at an early age since I'm black.)!
    Yeah it was something that connected me to the character too. I used to argue with my brother that he-man was like "The Natural" Butch Reid, except our complexion (I'm lighter skinned than Butch)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiplash7 View Post
    Not everyone watched or liked the cartoon. Some of what's being posted here is way over-the-top. Saying filmation was the be-all end-all for motu is just wrong.
    He-Man is about the toys, always has been. Before and after that cartoon.
    No, but the cartoon had a MUCH wider appeal than the toys. I was in college at the time, and the show was very popular among the students, folks who never touched an MOTU action figure. And once the toon appeared, merchandising of MOTU followed that look more often than the toys. I think it's a pretty safe assumption that more people saw the toon than ever owned the toys, simply because the show appealed to an audience beyond the toy buying population.

    As far as Filmation variants go, the key to a Filmation He-Man is in some of the details. It's mostly the colors and the head that make the difference. You'd need a slightly different shaped jaw to make it 100% accurate (where the neck is actually a little wider than the jaw itself), and eyebrows where the thickest part is actually at the arch. The hair is the only other thing that's really different, not as disheveled as the toy version. As for the rest of the pieces, you could get away with leaving the details on the harness and wristbands, as that's the way he appeared in the promotional materials for Secret of the Sword. It's mainly the colors that are a bit different in his costume, with the harness being more blue and the trunks and boots more red. You don't get a Filmation He-Man simply dumbing down the details; it is, in fact, some very specific details you have to pay attention to to get the look right. This is true for most of the Filmation versions of the characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiplash7 View Post
    Not everyone watched or liked the cartoon. Some of what's being posted here is way over-the-top. Saying filmation was the be-all end-all for motu is just wrong.
    I said to the general public, and I would be correct.

    Step outside your personal experience. It was about the toys, before and after to you. The majority of the world, however, had a different experience.

    Millions and millions of children (and, as Scott M points out, those older as well) who watched the show every week day. Far more than ever bought or cared about toys.

    Yes, we all know the toys came first. But the general public doesn't see it that way. It's more of a trivia question or factoid than anything else. The majority of people have as their first, and most lasting, impression from the Filmation show.

    Here's a test : type a MOTU word into Google Search - to make it really visual, search Google images. Type "He-man" or "She-ra" or something similar. You will see 10:1 (a conservative estimate) that what material is out there, what people remember, etc. is almost all Filmation.

    Yes, this site skews a bit differently. But it's hardly a representation of the public at large. When you mention He-man or She-ra to most people, they recall "I HAVE THE POWER!" or the transformation sequences, or that they always loved Orko, or many other things that are from the Filmation show. And then it's, "oh yeah, weren't there toys, too?"

    This is not to be dismissive of their importance in MOTU history, but simply the reality of how MOTU is remembered today by the general public - which isn't even as MOTU, but "He-man", or "He-man and She-ra".

    Here's a non-MOTU example. "The Wizard of Oz". A series of successful books that came before it, but what is really remembered? The movie. And what is the most iconic thing, the thing that people bring to their mind first when the words "Wizard of Oz" are spoken? The Ruby Slippers.

    And you know what? The Ruby Slippers were the invention of the film. In the books, they are silver. They wanted to show off the Technicolor, so they picked Ruby Red (incidentally, this is why even though the books are in public domain - anyone can write an Oz book at this point - certain elements, like the Ruby Slippers, remain out of bounds as they are property of the rights holders to the film).

    It's much the same here (not exactly, but it is an apt comparison). The most successful, by far, aspect of the Wizard of Oz franchise was, is, and likely always will be, the film. Even though you can go to dozens of websites and talk all about the dozens of novels that followed (some by Baum, some by others - some people even write them today because of the public domain thing). You even have "Wicked" and that stuff - but still, in the end, the movie was seen by far more people than have ever picked up an Oz book or seen the Wicked musical.

    Just like He-man/MOTU = Filmation to the vast majority of the public.

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    So now we can't get a true Filmation Hordak head either....

    Yet we have Muppet heads (Clawful), doofy heads (Buzz Off, Whiplash), grinning Dragon heads (DBS accessory)....200X "inspired" heads (Fisto, Stinkor....), we can't get a XXXXxxx well detailed 4H masterpiece that would remove the cartoonishness from it if they tried Filmation Hordak head, that is at least 50% different than the Vintage / Classics head.

    And I don't care about anyone elses opinion on it, my opinion is Filmation is better than the comics, Filmation got my into He-Man....not the comics, not the toys....I didn't even know the toys existed before episode 1 of the cartoon...I was never and still am not a comic book reader, or care about them one bit. That is my stance on it, the Filmation cartoon was in syndication for long after it ended and was on TV, therefore for me it was around until the end of the toyline, therefore to me the comics never existed, I pretty much tossed them in the trash with the cardbacks and plastic bubbles. All I cared about was the toys, thinking they were from the TV show I loved, and the TV show that kept me entertained as a kid, the comics never played even a small role in my love for MOTU.

    Not to mention, it's not the comics that had adults start using the "what are you trying to be, a He-Man" type phrases, thus becoming, and still even if they don't know where it came from, like "you're pulling my chain", still being used today, it wasn't the comics, and POP wouldn't exist if not for Filmation, and probably neither would 200X.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EtherianChronicles View Post
    I said to the general public, and I would be correct.

    Step outside your personal experience. It was about the toys, before and after to you. The majority of the world, however, had a different experience.

    Millions and millions of children (and, as Scott M points out, those older as well) who watched the show every week day. Far more than ever bought or cared about toys.

    Yes, we all know the toys came first. But the general public doesn't see it that way. It's more of a trivia question or factoid than anything else. The majority of people have as their first, and most lasting, impression from the Filmation show.

    Here's a test : type a MOTU word into Google Search - to make it really visual, search Google images. Type "He-man" or "She-ra" or something similar. You will see 10:1 (a conservative estimate) that what material is out there, what people remember, etc. is almost all Filmation.

    Yes, this site skews a bit differently. But it's hardly a representation of the public at large. When you mention He-man or She-ra to most people, they recall "I HAVE THE POWER!" or the transformation sequences, or that they always loved Orko, or many other things that are from the Filmation show. And then it's, "oh yeah, weren't there toys, too?"

    This is not to be dismissive of their importance in MOTU history, but simply the reality of how MOTU is remembered today by the general public - which isn't even as MOTU, but "He-man", or "He-man and She-ra".

    Here's a non-MOTU example. "The Wizard of Oz". A series of successful books that came before it, but what is really remembered? The movie. And what is the most iconic thing, the thing that people bring to their mind first when the words "Wizard of Oz" are spoken? The Ruby Slippers.

    And you know what? The Ruby Slippers were the invention of the film. In the books, they are silver. They wanted to show off the Technicolor, so they picked Ruby Red (incidentally, this is why even though the books are in public domain - anyone can write an Oz book at this point - certain elements, like the Ruby Slippers, remain out of bounds as they are property of the rights holders to the film).

    It's much the same here (not exactly, but it is an apt comparison). The most successful, by far, aspect of the Wizard of Oz franchise was, is, and likely always will be, the film. Even though you can go to dozens of websites and talk all about the dozens of novels that followed (some by Baum, some by others - some people even write them today because of the public domain thing). You even have "Wicked" and that stuff - but still, in the end, the movie was seen by far more people than have ever picked up an Oz book or seen the Wicked musical.

    Just like He-man/MOTU = Filmation to the vast majority of the public.
    We will just have to agree to disagree. I understand that a lot of people here like the cartoon, but I think some overstate what they think it means to grown adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiplash7 View Post
    We will just have to agree to disagree. I understand that a lot of people here like the cartoon, but I think some overstate what they think it means to grown adults.
    I agree with Whiplash7

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    So what Scott is basically trying to give us is a,

    Blue repainted Hordak, with white repaint head & with Hurricane Hordak Arm right ?

    Well, I am SORRY Scott ! If this is what you think the fans are looking for....... BETTER NOT EVEN CONSIDER IT !!!!!


    Well, let me “teach” you how a Filmation Hordak should be in Classics :-

    Basic Tri-Klops Buck In Blue WITH :-

    (New) Filmation Head
    (New) Bone Bordered Cowl
    (New) Bone Bordered Armour WITHOUT Belly Visibility
    Tri-Klops Right Hand With Kronis/Trap-Jaw Removable Peg
    Alternate Hurricane Hordak Right Hand With Kronis/Trap Jaw Removable Peg
    Hordak Shins & Boots

    Accessories :-

    Hordak In “Rocket” Form !

    Why New Head ? Since Hordak is a cyborg now & affected with techno virus, he absolutely needs to have a new face with metallic parts !

    There YOU HAVE IT SCOTT !!! Take this Idea to 4HM & charge us the better you feel. We absolutely DONT mind spending extra bucks for this !!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiplash7 View Post
    We will just have to agree to disagree. I understand that a lot of people here like the cartoon, but I think some overstate what they think it means to grown adults.
    For me it's not what it means to grown adults, it's the EXPOSURE the toon allowed. It set up the catch phrases and helped He-Man become a household name, more than ANY other 80s brand did. TV is a powerful medium, and i the 80s way more powerful than it is now. You get a syndicated show, you have access to anyone's home. the toys were only in toy stores/section, but the show was in EVERYONE'S home, even if they changed the channel when it started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TUC138 View Post
    So what Scott is basically trying to give us is a,

    Blue repainted Hordak, with white repaint head & with Hurricane Hordak Arm right ?

    Well, I am SORRY Scott ! If this is what you think the fans are looking for....... BETTER NOT EVEN CONSIDER IT !!!!!


    Well, let me “teach” you how a Filmation Hordak should be in Classics :-

    Basic Tri-Klops Buck In Blue WITH :-

    (New) Filmation Head
    (New) Bone Bordered Cowl
    (New) Bone Bordered Armour WITHOUT Belly Visibility
    Tri-Klops Right Hand With Kronis/Trap-Jaw Removable Peg
    Alternate Hurricane Hordak Right Hand With Kronis/Trap Jaw Removable Peg
    Hordak Shins & Boots

    Accessories :-

    Hordak In “Rocket” Form !

    Why New Head ? Since Hordak is a cyborg now & affected with techno virus, he absolutely needs to have a new face with metallic parts !

    There YOU HAVE IT SCOTT !!! Take this Idea to 4HM & charge us the better you feel. We absolutely DONT mind spending extra bucks for this !!!!!!!
    PERSONALLY, I don't really want a filmation hordak. the mattel colours and sculpt are better in my eyes, so I'm not willing to pay more for a filmation hordak, hell I don't even want a BLUE one. that said, I support the idea for those who DO want it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiplash7 View Post
    To make variants like the cartoon would not be the classics style. To classicize it, it would look like the figure MGM posted above, which while a nice custom, would be completely superfluous and utterly pointless to add to the line. People flipped out over Snake MAA being included in the sub, so I can only imagine the uproar if something like that He-Man happened. As an optional SDCC thing, I can see it going over better, but personally I just don't see the point of it as the MOTUC He-Man is superior and more detailed.
    I agreed with your first point to an extent. Filmation is the most known incarnation, but we have other countries out there who know the MOTU toy before they learned of the cartoon, so they aren't the only incarnations people know. Etherian's point is well made too...Filmation He-Man and Skeletor are the most known incarnations.

    That being said, the reason I support character variants is because it's someone's favorite depiction of a certain character, something that I can famously relate to. If there is support behind it, why not include it? Filmation isn't my first cup of tea as far as this line goes, but for plenty of fans, that's what He-Man and Skeletor are ideally look like. You might think a Filmation He-Man is unnecessary, but there are fans who'd replace Classic He-Man in a heartbeat with the He-Man of their choice.

    And what's this talk of lack of detail? As far as this thread goes, Filmation variants would come from the same bucks and would be made to fit into Classics.

    Also, Snake Man-At-Arms didn't go over well mostly because of his accessories. I think if he would have had his arm cannon and unhelmeted head instead of the serpent's ring and snake man head, he would have gone over much better. People have been asking for those things since 2008.

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    I know it would be easier to get filmation style figures in the Classics line because of the use of shared parts and momentum of the line, but I would prefer filmation he-man to be a separate, all new line. I know it won't happen because of Toyguru's statement that different styles confuse consumers (even though TRU has 200x dvds next to the filmation dvds and no one complains of confusion). But to really do these figures justice the buck needs to be leaner, the bracers need to be newly sculpted, etc. Enough needs to be new in order to really capture the filmation look.

    I'd love a sub-line of some of the essential Filmation figs. Filmation He-Man, Teela, Man At Arms and Skeletor, Beast Man, and Mer-Man for starters. Especially with figures like Teela, there's plenty of subtle but important differences that would make it worth it to have a totally different figure.

    I once went out of my way to customize some 200x He-Man, MAA, and Teela figures using the classics bucks. The more I added 200x details, the less they looked like their 200x versions. In other words, the differences I couldn't change stood out that much more. If we used the same Classics buck for a filmation he-man, he'd look like a stocky filmation he-man, not like he walked right off the tv screen which is what I think most of us would like.

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