DC's going to do what they want. At least we're getting some published print. Reading all the posts it seems like we're going through the stages.
1. Denial (The comic is just a mini-series, it won't last...)
2. Anger (It's stupid, I hope it gets cancelled)
3. Bargaining (If only He-Man was the He-Man I want, just make a small change DC are you reading this?)
4. Depression (Stops replying, keeps reading thread)
5. Acceptance (Stops reading thread)
Now in reference to #2- You speak the truth. This is the major reason heroes who wield swords and the like never kill- to keep the story going. However just because someone is "awesome" doesn't mean there isn't someone better. And while I can agree death for death's sake in stories can seem pointless it does bring a certain amount of realism to a battle. In battle many great people do die randomly. You can be the best swordsman on the planet, but that won't stop a sniper bullet that you never saw coming.
I find it funny that you say you hate anti-heroes and then compare the Masters to the Expendables- true anti-heroes who take the law into their own hands and kill anyone in their way.
But yeah, i see the Joes, the Masters and Justice league as a 'What if... Rambo, Chuck Norris, John MClaine, and Conan joined a team....'
They all dodged (or took) bullets in their OWN adventures... Because they were the 'epic' level characters that they are... Why does joining a team turn them to fodder?
TriKlops... Trap Jaw... Merman?? These are all EPIC level villians. Ocean warlords... Feared Bounty hunters... Criminals that on their own are massive threats!! Joined togther under Skeletor??? Nearly unstoppable.
Stray laser blasts should not stop people as awesome as that. Its poor story telling. Personally I prefer my stories to be more Epic.. and less 'realistic'. Especially in fantasy. When I look at Masters of the universe, I take realism... put it in a box and set it on fire. I have no use for it. I want talking tigers and magic swords.
‘What a pity that Bilbo did not stab that vile creature when he had a chance!’
‘Pity? It was Pity that stayed his hand. Pity, and mercy: not to strike without need. And he has been well rewarded, Frodo. Be sure that he took so little hurt from the evil, and escaped in the end, because he began the ownership of the Ring so. With Pity.’
‘I am sorry,’ said Frodo. “I am frightened; and I do not feel any pity for Gollum.’
‘You have not seen him,’ Gandalf broke in.
‘No, and I don’t want to,’ said Frodo, ‘He deserves death.’
‘Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. I have not much hope that Gollum can be cured before he dies, but there is a chance of it. And he is bound up with the fate of the Ring. My heart tells me that he has some part to play yet, for good or ill, before the end; and when it comes, the pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many.'
(Professor J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring (New York: Ballantine Books, 1994) pp 65-66.)
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Ok question.....I did the sub for the comic, but I never received a confirmation or order number or anything......did anyone ordering a comic sub get anything back??
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But Aragorn did encounter Gollum - he hunted him and brought him in after Gollum left Mordor and bound him and brought him to Gandalf; but he didn't kill him. Aragorn is man of Westernesse, of the high blood of Numenor, and a true king. Like He-Man he represents what is good and noble (and Anduril is also special - though not quite like the Sword of Power) and is an opponent that even Sauron fears - because he is far more than a brutal killer; many warriors are - it really isn't a question of one or the other. And why should it be?
Elves, being immortal (though subject to death in battle) and therefore imbued with both wisdom and sorrow, also take life reluctantly - though not so with the Orcs, whom they see as utterly corrupted. They held Gollum imprisoned, but, far from killing him, out of their pity for his state they were so lenient in his imprisonment that they actually made it possible for him to escape them - with aid from the orcs of Dol Guldur. The Naugrim - Dwarves - have their own code - but it isn't without a high level of honour by any means.
In any case, I wasn't making a very direct comparison; Middle Earth and Eternia, like to Eternia and our own world, have different realities and operate along different lines. I was simply suggesting that the kind of crude black and white vigilantism evinced by some is not applicable to He-Man, who is too stong, skilled and endowed with Elder-inspired wisdom to need to or want to kill.
I just felt that Gandalf - as ever - put the essential philosophical issue of it rather well: Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment.
That is the way of wisdom; it does not necessarily make things easy, doing what is right; but that does not stop it being right. He-Man surely knows that to spare his enemies may well mean having to fight them all over again. Does this make him a moron, then? No; it makes him a character of genuine depth and strength, both moral as well as physical, possessed of a further dimension. Is it not far more ennobling to a character to live with the consequences of not submitting to the natural and primitive urge to seek revenge? For who knows the ends that mercy can turn to? Vengeance enacted - retribution - closes a great many doors - both the chance of reform and redemption, and of the extension of mercy. On that basis He-Man should not redeem Despera - he should decapitate her, as she has the innocent. Simple; but a touch draconian, perhaps?
It's also bad storytelling - and, after all, these are just that; stories. If they tell a gripping tale, then it works; if it has internal consistency and context, then it works. If it proves compelling and provokes debate - then likewise. That's what writers do - or are meant to! Wholesale slaughter of MotU characters is unlikely to make for good narrative, is it? In any case, I really don't think that simplistic tales of brutal revenge fit well into MotU; hence my dismay at the Sword of Power stained with the blood of those pathetic little tribesmen hired or ensorcelled by Evil-Lyn. So very unfitting to He-Man - an utter negation of all that he is and stands for. Thirty years of high ideals and restraint - all vitiated by an apparent massacre of people who could have done him no harm. Just bad, bad narrative, plainly not thought-through - and probably designed for a cheap shock effect. What a colossal error of writing and editorial judgement.
Narrative purposes - as well as those of good sense - dictate that there must be clear ground between good and evil; dilemmas, yes - but, at base, an essential and recognizable difference; or why should we even care who wins? Again - these are stories, fables - to some extent the antidote to reality.
The problem, for those enamoured of a killer He-Man, seems to stem from an inability or unwilingness to see that Eternia and Earth 2013 are just not the same, and that includes the intrinsic nature of reality. The created structure of Eternia will not stand the rigorous and brutal imposition of the kind of reality we face in the here and now; it was never designed for that purpose, and attempts to twist it in that direction are doomed to fail.
As I say, doing the right thing is hard - especially on the battlefield. Experto crede, veriter.
But that doesn't stop it from being the right thing - even for those of us not imbued with the beneficent Power of the Elders.
I only wish that I had always been able to live up to such ideals myself.
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