Soy I don't know what to believe anymore!

[Judith]

Life is gonna end up killing all of us.

Brother, you just said a mouthful...

I can't stand the taste of soy milk. I like dairy, but my girlfriend is sensitive to it, so we've tried all the alternate milks. By far, our favorite is Flax Milk. Best flavor, no aftertaste and very healthy since its made from flax seeds. We use it in everything.

Never tried Flax milk before. Almond is too heavy for me. It weighs me down.

Do NOT try hemp milk. Its like drinking someone's old T-Shirt...

Right! No Hemp milk.

Soy may very well give you large, female shaped breasts, ...

Honey if this were true, you would not be able to find it because about 51% of the population would be gulping it down.

The person mentioned in the Men's Health article was drinking 12 cups a day, every day...

*Ding Ding Ding* and you just earned the gold star! Always, always, always go back to the original study to:

1.) See if the methodology was appropriate. Was reporting done by food diary or control food sampling? How big was the population pool? How were test subjects selected? How did they guard against bias? Placebo effect?

2.) Look at the statistics. You would be surprise at how like a 9% increase from control is construed to a 100% outcome in the media. For instance, only 33% of the US population have salt-sensitivity hypertension. For 66% of the population, the amount of salt you consume doesn't impact your blood pressure. And yet since there is such a sizable population that is, they put a blanket statement stating that one should reduce their sodium intake to reduce their blood pressure.

3.) What's the dosage? Strawberries can cure cancer! If you eat 13 pints a day, every day, for the rest of your life...

4.) What is a proposed biological mechanism? Correlation is not equal to causation.

Look, as a researcher I have read a LOT of bad research. It's up to you to read the original article and decided if there is enough evidence to persuade you to agree with them.

Until then, it's all about moderation. So for me it's enjoying the occasional soy chai latte or cream in my coffee.

[Heeeere's Olesker!]

Brother, you just said a mouthful...

Never tried Flax milk before. Almond is too heavy for me. It weighs me down.

Right! No Hemp milk.

Honey if this were true, you would not be able to find it because about 51% of the population would be gulping it down.

*Ding Ding Ding* and you just earned the gold star! Always, always, always go back to the original study to:

1.) See if the methodology was appropriate. Was reporting done by food diary or control food sampling? How big was the population pool? How were test subjects selected? How did they guard against bias? Placebo effect?

2.) Look at the statistics. You would be surprise at how like a 9% increase from control is construed to a 100% outcome in the media. For instance, only 33% of the US population have salt-sensitivity hypertension. For 66% of the population, the amount of salt you consume doesn't impact your blood pressure. And yet since there is such a sizable population that is, they put a blanket statement stating that one should reduce their sodium intake to reduce their blood pressure.

3.) What's the dosage? Strawberries can cure cancer! If you eat 13 pints a day, every day, for the rest of your life...

4.) What is a proposed biological mechanism? Correlation is not equal to causation.

Look, as a researcher I have read a LOT of bad research. It's up to you to read the original article and decided if there is enough evidence to persuade you to agree with them.

Until then, it's all about moderation. So for me it's enjoying the occasional soy chai latte or cream in my coffee.

Judith, for years now I've really enjoyed your analyses of research studies, groups, statistics and the researchers themselves. You're always on the money and so often put forth information in a engaging and readable manner, occasionally with a much appreciated dose of wry humor. I only wish the same could be said for the vast majority of researchers out there.

It's just my opinion, but I think there's a void out there in the blogosphere for your kind of incisive analyses. As this and other threads show, much of the public -- even those that do their research and try to get to the bnottom of things -- are frustrated and are looking for direction. Ever think about taking your thoughts to a larger market? We could all use some sanity and clarity and I've a hunch you could be the person to supply it.

[Dice]

I eat red meat. Lots of it.

I also eat a ton of chicken, fish, eggs, and milk.

I eat lots of vegetables.




I also work out 4 days a week, a little yoga (just recently got into it), and walk 18 holes twice (sometimes thre times) a weekend.

People could worry a lot less about what they ate if they treated their bodies to a little strenuos exercise now and then.

[Heeeere's Olesker!]

I eat red meat. Lots of it.

I also eat a ton of chicken, fish, eggs, and milk.

I eat lots of vegetables.




I also work out 4 days a week, a little yoga (just recently got into it), and walk 18 holes twice (sometimes thre times) a weekend.

People could worry a lot less about what they ate if they treated their bodies to a little strenuos exercise now and then.

This, this, this!

[Judith]

Judith, for years now I've really enjoyed your analyses of research studies, groups, statistics and the researchers themselves. You're always on the money and so often put forth information in a engaging and readable manner, occasionally with a much appreciated dose of wry humor. I only wish the same could be said for the vast majority of researchers out there.

Thanks, you just made my day! *Hug*

It's just my opinion, but I think there's a void out there in the blogosphere for your kind of incisive analyses. As this and other threads show, much of the public -- even those that do their research and try to get to the bnottom of things -- are frustrated and are looking for direction. Ever think about taking your thoughts to a larger market? We could all use some sanity and clarity and I've a hunch you could be the person to supply it.

Funny, I can't keep my comments on Huffington Post from getting deleted for that exact reason.
They can't keep me down!

[Sky Breaker]

*touching my pecs*

I don't want breasts... I really do not want breasts...

[diosoth]

I once bought a bottle of chocolate soy milk. The stuff tasted more like chocolate flavored motor oil. It's rare I consume a product that not only makes me feel like vomiting, but tastes like I already have.

[Dave-Man]

I once bought a bottle of chocolate soy milk. The stuff tasted more like chocolate flavored motor oil. It's rare I consume a product that not only makes me feel like vomiting, but tastes like I already have.

I think with some of the alternative "milks" there are like one or two varieties that are good and the rest are... well.. not.
When I first found out I was lactose intolerant, I tried regular soy milk. It tasted vile. I tried chocolate soy milk, and it was pretty nasty too. I tried vanilla soy milk and actually liked that so that is pretty much what I use now. Most people I know can't believe that I actually like soy milk, but the vanilla variety isn't too bad. At least the brand I buy isn't.

[GP Legend]

Almond milk? Flax milk? Hemp?

So, where else does milk come from?

[Dave-Man]

Real milk also comes from goats, sheep, horses, etc. We don't usually drink these in the US and Europe except for the goat milk of course.

There's also coconut milk; its pretty good. This is the first time I ever heard of flax milk and still have not had a chance to try that. Sounds like I shouldn't bother with hemp.

[krosfyah]

Seriously, try Flax Milk. I actually kind of like Almond milk in some things, but it tastes so strongly of almonds that it can overpower things.

Do NOT try hemp milk. Its like drinking someone's old T-Shirt...

Hemp milk just sounds like it tastes like hippie's socks.
I'll look into the flax milk this weekend, thanks!

It's a great question. I start with one set of twelve different ab exercises. I do mentally count the eighty reps I do of each exercise and it's not to tough to count the eighty reps. When I finish my first set, then I do two more sets, counting each rep in each of the twelve exercises so I'm not counting to 3,000, but I'm just counting the eighty reps of each exercise. As I said, I toss in another 120 reps at the end of the three sets to even it off to 3,000.

The odd thing is that counting the 80 reps of each exercise creates a kind of internal cadence for me that lets me go into a zone that I find rhythmic and somehow comforting. In a strange way it's like being with an old friend.

With iron I do count my reps during my forty-five minute workout. Your way of going to exhaustion is an excellent choice, but it works best if you're trying to build muscle mass. At my age I've gained about all the muscle mass I want and I'm simply interested in flexibility and maintaining. Yes, I realize that if I don't periodically increase my weights that I'll begin to lose some muscle mass, so once in a while I'll add on more weights. But because my goal, at this point, isn't gaining muscle mass I just go to twelve reps of each intense exercise rather than to exhaustion. Heck, at sixty-three years old with a 12-year old, a 9-year old and a 3-year old that are my first children I'm pretty much at exhaustion all the time anyway. Don't even get me started about having an Irish wife that's nineteen years younger than me. Well, actually it would be Kim who's at the state of exhaustion from being married to me...but that's another story, for another forum.

Btw, almonds are a real conundrum for me. I had a kidney stone eleven years ago and it was one of the worst experiences in my life. On the other hand a handful of almonds is one of the best things men can do to avoid prostate cancer. I long ago decided to take my shot and do the almonds.

sounds good! I thought of you at the gym last night as I was doing my best not to count (it's a hard habit to break) **cue Chicago** I need another way to centre myself, the counting annoys me a bit, yesterday I (in my head) recited the opening to he-man and the MOTU as my mantra. HAHA

I am trying to increase muscle mass, my metabolism needs a good boost.

A handful is fine, drink enough water you shouldn't get a stone, I worry about how much almond is in a glass of almond milk regarding stones.

Brother, you just said a mouthful...

3.) What's the dosage? Strawberries can cure cancer! If you eat 13 pints a day, every day, for the rest of your life...

that would give me a Kidney Gibratler!

[Heeeere's Olesker!]

And now, after all this, to finally weigh in: As many know, I have a rigorous work-out regimen. For me at least -- and this is just my opinion -- 100% Whey mixed with skim milk does the trick. In light of recent research, I now drink it before my workouts, rather than after.

I've heard a lot of people complain about the taste of various drinks -- from soy and whey to juiced veggies. I just don't get that. Are we so self-indulgent that everything needs to taste like a Dairy Queen Blizzard? We're not talking about having to be duct-taped to a chair and forced to watch The Jerry Springer Show for an hour. It's a couple of gulps and it's down. Veggie drinks and whey drinks are something I've actually acquired a taste for over the years --quite possibly out of my subconscious gratitude for all that they do for me. But even if I didn't like the taste, the momentary displeasure of drinking down in ten seconds something whose taste I'm not crazy about would be, for me, vastly outweighed by the lifelong benefits such a drink offers.


EDIT: And to my good friend, Kro, perhaps a solution for you is to figure out how many reps you want to do, manage to count them once with a stopwatch running or a glance to a clock before and after, and then in the you can use time rather than counting to be your guide, looking at a clock before you start and then glancing to it as you estimate you're approaching your end-time. Just a suggestion.

[BCI Guy]

I've heard a lot of people complain about the taste of various drinks -- from soy and whey to juiced veggies. I just don't get that. Are we so self-indulgent that everything needs to taste like a Dairy Queen Blizzard? We're not talking about having to be duct-taped to a chair and forced to watch The Jerry Springer Show for an hour. It's a couple of gulps and it's down.

Context.

Sure if you're talking a supplement or something, you can "hold your nose and chug", but a lot of this talk is no different than choosing foods you like to eat other than ones you can barely tolerate.

For example, I can't drink a soy latte or smoothie. It tastes funky to me. I don't drink a milkshake for hydration or health benefits, so I want it to taste GOOD.

[Heeeere's Olesker!]

Context.

Sure if you're talking a supplement or something, you can "hold your nose and chug", but a lot of this talk is no different than choosing foods you like to eat other than ones you can barely tolerate.

For example, I can't drink a soy latte or smoothie. It tastes funky to me. I don't drink a milkshake for hydration or health benefits, so I want it to taste GOOD.

I'll respectfully disagree, BCI Guy. When one is drinking a health drink it's only a couple of seconds, as opposed to the twrnty minutes it takes to plow through grilled liver and onions with a side of Brussel sprouts.

That said, I think the key is finding a taste that, if you don't fall in love with it, at least you can tolerate. It was that way for me in the beginning with GNC's 100% Whey, vanilla flavored. It wasn't really bad tasting -- just not great. Now I've acquired the taste for it and while the experience isn't anything at all like sipping a glass of 1986 Pommard, it's not like guzzling castor oil either. And as I said, I believe the benefits outweigh the couple of seconds it takes to down it.

I also think Dave-Man hit on something when he posted that there are (and I paraphrase) one or two good tasting drinks in each category. With a little research either on-line -- articles like this are helpful http://www.ehow.com/list_7391619_pro...aste-good.html -- or in the kitchen with small purchases of each, one can fairly quickly narrow down which ones a person can live with.

[BCI Guy]

I'll respectfully disagree, BCI Guy. When one is drinking a health drink it's only a couple of seconds, as opposed to the twrnty minutes it takes to plow through grilled liver and onions with a side of Brussel sprouts.

That said, I think the key is finding a taste that, if you don't fall in love with it, at least you can tolerate. It was that way for me in the beginning with GNC's 100% Whey, vanilla flavored. It wasn't really bad tasting -- just not great. Now I've acquired the taste for it and while the experience isn't anything at all like sipping a glass of 1986 Pommard, it's not like guzzling castor oil either. And as I said, I believe the benefits outweigh the couple of seconds it takes to down it.

I also think Dave-Man hit on something when he posted that there are (and I paraphrase) one or two good tasting drinks in each category. With a little research either on-line -- articles like this are helpful http://www.ehow.com/list_7391619_pro...aste-good.html -- or in the kitchen with small purchases of each, one can fairly quickly narrow down which ones a person can live with.

But this thread hasn't just been about health drinks. Its been about different milk replacements for a variety of reasons. The very first post in the thread is simply about putting better/healthier things into your body.

So, yes you might need to chug that protein drink, but you likely want to savor a smoothie, milkshake or cup of coffee.

[Heeeere's Olesker!]

*touching my pecs*

I don't want breasts... I really do not want breasts...

I want them...just not on me.


EDIT: And yeah, BCI Guy, you're right. I lost sight of the initial point of the thread. I guess I had a senior moment.

[Benedict Judas Hel]

I want them...just not on me.

Here ya go, Jackie-O!

[Heeeere's Olesker!]

Here ya go, Jackie-O!

http://guesthousecatering.com/images...ken_breast.jpg

You're twisted, Benny...which, of course, is why I love you so much.

[BCI Guy]

EDIT: And yeah, BCI Guy, you're right. I lost sight of the initial point of the thread. I guess I had a senior moment.

No worries. We all have them.

[krosfyah]

And now, after all this, to finally weigh in: As many know, I have a rigorous work-out regimen. For me at least -- and this is just my opinion -- 100% Whey mixed with skim milk does the trick. In light of recent research, I now drink it before my workouts, rather than after.

I've heard a lot of people complain about the taste of various drinks -- from soy and whey to juiced veggies. I just don't get that. Are we so self-indulgent that everything needs to taste like a Dairy Queen Blizzard? We're not talking about having to be duct-taped to a chair and forced to watch The Jerry Springer Show for an hour. It's a couple of gulps and it's down. Veggie drinks and whey drinks are something I've actually acquired a taste for over the years --quite possibly out of my subconscious gratitude for all that they do for me. But even if I didn't like the taste, the momentary displeasure of drinking down in ten seconds something whose taste I'm not crazy about would be, for me, vastly outweighed by the lifelong benefits such a drink offers.


EDIT: And to my good friend, Kro, perhaps a solution for you is to figure out how many reps you want to do, manage to count them once with a stopwatch running or a glance to a clock before and after, and then in the you can use time rather than counting to be your guide, looking at a clock before you start and then glancing to it as you estimate you're approaching your end-time. Just a suggestion.

I have a VERY sensitive gag reflex, if something tastes horrific, it's coming RIGHT back up! but as you said in a later post, I'm ok finding something to TOLERATE.

Good suggestion re the clock, I sometimes use the one in the gym, but it's not always in view depending on where I have to be. I should download a boxing timer for my phone and use that. I just for some reason hate carrying my phone or any other device into my workouts, it's psychological but I feel those few ounces throw off my whole symmetry!

[Heeeere's Olesker!]

No worries. We all have them.

Trust me... It gets worse.

[ehenyo]

Buying hemp milk is like buying veggie burgers. Get the wrong brand, and it will taste like crap. Get the right one, and it will taste awesome. Personally, I've seen little kids flock to hemp milk when they've seen it on the store shelves at Whole Foods.