He-Man.Org Rules, Guidelines and How-To's Feedback and Question thread

[JVS3]

If you have any questions or feedback about the He-Man.org Rules, Guidelines and How-To's, please post them here.

Please note that we can't make every individual happy and that the rules, guidelines and how-to's are devised with the community as a whole in mind. Thanks!

[MOTU_Maniac]

I was reading over the new iTrader Feedback section of the new He-Man.Org Rules, Guidelines and How-To's! - Please Read thread and decided to start asking for/ leaving feedback for previous transactions I have had with others. I, like many others, use PM to work through transactions privately and I read the following in the iTrader Instructions section:

What if I did the transaction via PM and it wasn't based off of a for-sale/wanted-to-buy/trade thread in the Marketplace? Can I leave feedback for this? Yes, but there is a condition. You must have a personal feedback discussion thread in the Trader Review section where there other party can make note about this PM transaction. There MUST be some sort of public record about this transaction for moderators to reference.

So, I attempted to use the Feedback URL (of Jukka for example as I sold him the sticker sheet from Snout Spout), but it keeps saying:

The following errors occurred with your submission:
The deal URL is invalid!


I talked with Markatisu about it and he stated that I should mention it here.

[dedset13]

I have a question regarding the new Marketplace Feedback under our avatars.

Mine shows 0 feedbacks, however, I have a feedback thread in the trader review forum with quite a few positive transactions. Should this be reflected under my avatar? If so, how can I update it?

[dorrmann]

I have a question regarding the new Marketplace Feedback under our avatars.

Mine shows 0 feedbacks, however, I have a feedback thread in the trader review forum with quite a few positive transactions. Should this be reflected under my avatar? If so, how can I update it?

The current feedback rating for members is from 2004-2006 (-ish) when the system was briefly in place. In order to get feedback from transactions since then, the members who you completed transactions with would have to go and give you feedback on those themselves. Information on giving feedback on past transactions, as well as all the other iTrader info can be found here.

[a-star]

Demerits? I'm done for!

[ksensor]

Just a quick question about the "Deal thread URL: (Required)" part of leaving feedback. What do I do if...
1) Their b/s/t thread has been updated, so that what I bought was removed from the thread? Does that matter?
2) Their b/s/t thread has been deleted (an "I sold it, so I deleted it" situation)?

[JVS3]

Everything is a blur since we setup all the iTrader stuff.
Does it make you have to leave a URL that redirects to the transaction in question? I can't remember if that's an option or not. Ideally we'd want the URL in there if it exists.

[ksensor]

Everything is a blur since we setup all the iTrader stuff.
Does it make you have to leave a URL that redirects to the transaction in question? I can't remember if that's an option or not. Ideally we'd want the URL in there if it exists.

I'm not sure, I just looked at the feedback form and started to wonder. It says required, so I figured you had to leave something. A lot of sellers edit their threads after deals or delete & re-post them with updates, so I thought I'd ask.


Three other questions...

1) I noticed the rules say "For domestic orders, delivery confirmation must be used. This is a requirement as it proves the date shipment has occurred. No longer can you opt not to get tracking." What if the buyer and seller live near each other? Can Orgers meet-up instead of shipping? Can you leave feedback for a transaction like that?

2) I saw the info about reporting an undeserved negative feedback rating. And I see that "Complaining about negative feedback on iTrader" is listed as a Major Offense. But I don't see any penalty for intentionally leaving an undeserved negative feedback. Is there one?

3) The rules list "Do not speak ill of He-Man.org and our users on other forums" as a Major Offense. How is the Org going to determine if that's happening? Are mods going to assume that anyone online using the same username and/or avatar as an Orger must be that same Orger?

[Benedict Judas Hel]

1) Will we have access or be able to view our He-Man.org "record"?

2) If so, are we allowed to defend/argue any "reported" post?

3) How much leeway will be given for humor/satirical purpose? For example, say I joke with my friends (as I only joke with my friends or individuals I am friendly with) and said joke is perceived as hostile or negative, will I be subject to penalty even if the person with whom I was joking with does not complain or report my post? Am I subject to penalty if a random stranger who doesn't know me or even interacted me with thinks I am being serious and reports me?

[JVS3]

I'm not sure, I just looked at the feedback form and started to wonder. It says required, so I figured you had to leave something. A lot of sellers edit their threads after deals or delete & re-post them with updates, so I thought I'd ask.

I'd say that's an instance where you can't do a feedback exchange. So, please ask the person who posted the thread not to delete it, at least until feedback has been exchanged for a successful transaction. If it's deleted afterward, at least mods can still access it.

1) I noticed the rules say "For domestic orders, delivery confirmation must be used. This is a requirement as it proves the date shipment has occurred. No longer can you opt not to get tracking." What if the buyer and seller live near each other? Can Orgers meet-up instead of shipping? Can you leave feedback for a transaction like that?

The steps we listed are ways to make sure people at least initiated their end of the deal.

With what you suggested above, there's no way for us to know if this trade actually happened if we get into a situation where one guy then goes on to say it didn't. You're better off always doing it via the mail.

If you do it outside of those guidelines, it wouldn't be feedback worthy because we have no proof of the transaction. Plus neither party has any recourse if one then complains on the forums. You may both be ignored or suspended.

So, if you still want take part in a transaction like that, it's best to keep it between you and the other person, keep it entirely off the forum in terms of comments and feedback, and leave it at that.

2) I saw the info about reporting an undeserved negative feedback rating. And I see that "Complaining about negative feedback on iTrader" is listed as a Major Offense. But I don't see any penalty for intentionally leaving an undeserved negative feedback. Is there one?

Just like eBay, that's a risk you take with any transaction. We can't control if someone decides to leave you a negative feedback because they are unhappy with any part of the transaction history or completion. Negative feedback isn't the end of the world, and if you have 1 negative in a sea of positive, people can figure out on their own where the problem is.

3) The rules list "Do not speak ill of He-Man.org and our users on other forums" as a Major Offense. How is the Org going to determine if that's happening? Are mods going to assume that anyone online using the same username and/or avatar as an Orger must be that same Orger?

So are you implying that you are doing this? I'm on to ya now! (joke)

We have our ways to verify. That rule has been there for many years. Like with anything, if a person has a problem with someone on a forum, I say nerve-up and talk to them directly about it. After all, we're not bad-mouthing other fans or forums here on the Org for the world to read. Regardless, if a person still wants to complain to others about this site, I'd suggest doing it in private. Sure, a person has a right to still do it publicly if they want, but we also have the right not to like it or want them around the Org any more if they do.

1) Will we have access or be able to view our He-Man.org "record"?

You sure can. Under each person's profile will be an Infraction tab to keep track of any infractions they receive.

2) If so, are we allowed to defend/argue any "reported" post?

A reported post essentially fast-tracks the identification of a violation that a mod would have identified on their own anyway. If the mods don't agree with what has been reported as a violation, they don't act on that reported post. That's already been the case numerous times.

3) How much leeway will be given for humor/satirical purpose? For example, say I joke with my friends (as I only joke with my friends or individuals I am friendly with) and said joke is perceived as hostile or negative, will I be subject to penalty even if the person with whom I was joking with does not complain or report my post? Am I subject to penalty if a random stranger who doesn't know me or even interacted me with thinks I am being serious and reports me?

The mods look at the exchange as well. If it's clear it's humorous banter back an forth, you don't need to worry. Still, it's in your best interest to do your best to make clear to everyone it's a joke.

[MOTU_Maniac]

I was reading over the new iTrader Feedback section of the new He-Man.Org Rules, Guidelines and How-To's! - Please Read thread and decided to start asking for/ leaving feedback for previous transactions I have had with others. I, like many others, use PM to work through transactions privately and I read the following in the iTrader Instructions section:

What if I did the transaction via PM and it wasn't based off of a for-sale/wanted-to-buy/trade thread in the Marketplace? Can I leave feedback for this? Yes, but there is a condition. You must have a personal feedback discussion thread in the Trader Review section where there other party can make note about this PM transaction. There MUST be some sort of public record about this transaction for moderators to reference.

So, I attempted to use the Feedback URL (of Jukka for example as I sold him the sticker sheet from Snout Spout), but it keeps saying:

The following errors occurred with your submission:
The deal URL is invalid!


I talked with Markatisu about it and he stated that I should mention it here.

What do we do if transactions are through PM? The instructions say to use their feedback thread, but when I reference the feedback thread it says The following errors occurred with your submission: The deal URL is invalid!

I left an iTrader feedback earlier that worked when referencing a deal thread, but when trying to reference a feedback thread it won't work

[JVS3]

Deals via PM won't count towards the feedback feature. It needs to be for deals that take place in the Marketplace section. Not for PMs, not for mentions in Trader Review, etc.

[ksensor]

I'd say that's an instance where you can't do a feedback exchange. So, please ask the person who posted the thread not to delete it, at least until feedback has been exchanged for a successful transaction. If it's deleted afterward, at least mods can still access it.

Cool cool. That'll save me the trouble of going back and leaving positive feedback for everybody I've done deals with before.

So, if you still want take part in a transaction like that, it's best to keep it between you and the other person, keep it entirely off the forum in terms of comments and feedback, and leave it at that.

Fair enough. I kinda figured that'd be the case.

Just like eBay, that's a risk you take with any transaction. We can't control if someone decides to leave you a negative feedback because they are unhappy with any part of the transaction history or completion. Negative feedback isn't the end of the world, and if you have 1 negative in a sea of positive, people can figure out on their own where the problem is.

Yeah, this system sounds a lot like eBay's, except that sellers can leave buyers negative feedback, right? Are you concerned about the "leave me positive feedback or I'll leave you negative feedback" problem that eBay used to have?

So are you implying that you are doing this? I'm on to ya now! (joke)

We have our ways to verify. That rule has been there for many years. Like with anything, if a person has a problem with someone on a forum, I say nerve-up and talk to them directly about it. After all, we're not bad-mouthing other fans or forums here on the Org for the world to read. Regardless, if a person still wants to complain to others about this site, I'd suggest doing it in private. Sure, a person has a right to still do it publicly if they want, but we also have the right not to like it or want them around the Org any more if they do.

I don't really post on any other forums, so I was mostly wondering what would keep someone from starting a profile with my username and avatar on a couple of other boards, posting "the Org is stupid", then laughing as I get perma-banned from the Org.

[MOTU_Maniac]

Deals via PM won't count towards the feedback feature. It needs to be for deals that take place in the Marketplace section. Not for PMs, not for mentions in Trader Review, etc.

Ok, gottcha. So, can the new iTrader Instructions be updated to omit the following so as to avoid confusion (which a few of us have already had regarding this matter)?:

What if I did the transaction via PM and it wasn't based off of a for-sale/wanted-to-buy/trade thread in the Marketplace? Can I leave feedback for this? Yes, but there is a condition. You must have a personal feedback discussion thread in the Trader Review section where there other party can make note about this PM transaction. There MUST be some sort of public record about this transaction for moderators to reference.

[JVS3]

Yeah, this system sounds a lot like eBay's, except that sellers can leave buyers negative feedback, right? Are you concerned about the "leave me positive feedback or I'll leave you negative feedback" problem that eBay used to have?

If we get reports about this, we're going to crack down on the person making those demands.

The way feedback should work is if a person pays, the seller should leave feedback first. Then when the buyer receives the item, they should leave feedback in turn. the seller should not hold feedback hostage.
For traders, they should post feedback as each receives their item.

I don't really post on any other forums, so I was mostly wondering what would keep someone from starting a profile with my username and avatar on a couple of other boards, posting "the Org is stupid", then laughing as I get perma-banned from the Org.

LOL! Don't worry, that won't happen ...or will it? MWA HA HA HA HA!
*goes off to start fake ksensor profile*

Ok, gottcha. So, can the new iTrader Instructions be updated to omit the following so as to avoid confusion (which a few of us have already had regarding this matter)?:

yeah, we'll have to edit that. Sorry about that.

[MOTU_Maniac]

Ok, gottcha. So, can the new iTrader Instructions be updated to omit the following so as to avoid confusion (which a few of us have already had regarding this matter)?:

What if I did the transaction via PM and it wasn't based off of a for-sale/wanted-to-buy/trade thread in the Marketplace? Can I leave feedback for this? Yes, but there is a condition. You must have a personal feedback discussion thread in the Trader Review section where there other party can make note about this PM transaction. There MUST be some sort of public record about this transaction for moderators to reference.

yeah, we'll have to take that out. Sorry about that.

No problem my man. Just trying to help others that have run into the same issues

[Benedict Judas Hel]

Still, it's in your best interest to do your best to make clear to everyone it's a joke.

Everyone? Aww, man. But I'm not interacting with everyone. I'm only interacting with the person whose post I am replying to and they already know I'm joking...

"1 Demerit For Benedict Judas Hel"

[JVS3]

My master plan is to have you banned within 7 days.
(joke)

[Benedict Judas Hel]

My master plan is to have you banned within 7 days.
(joke)

[MOTU_Maniac]

Benny we need to exchange e-mail addresses...just in case. lol.

[Replikor]

Benny we need to exchange e-mail addresses...just in case. lol.

hahaha!! good one.

[Benedict Judas Hel]

Benny we need to exchange e-mail addresses...just in case. lol.

Nah, The Stapler wouldn't ban me. I complete him...

[JVS3]

I have this feeling blackmail is involved.

[dorrmann]

2) I saw the info about reporting an undeserved negative feedback rating. And I see that "Complaining about negative feedback on iTrader" is listed as a Major Offense. But I don't see any penalty for intentionally leaving an undeserved negative feedback. Is there one?

If they're posting a negative to harm your reputation and there wasn't even a transaction, that's an immediate and permanent suspension.

Any user found guilty of posting fake or malicious feedback on iTrader for a transaction that did not take place on the forums will be permanently suspended. Make sure any feedback you post is real and is based on a thread in the Marketplace section where the transaction is recorded.

[JOXE]

Hi JVS3,

i got your message and read the new rules, which i was unaware of, sorry

Anyway, regarding the rule: Fan Contests > No raffles or entry fee requirements are allowed.

Unfortunately when i got your message and became aware of this rule, the raffle was already closed, and no further participants were being accepted. However, 21 fellow members had already participated and as of this message, are waiting for the draw to determine which one gets the prize (one free figure).

Even though i committed an infraction, i believe it is the RIGHT thing to do to honor my promise to those participants. I am an honest person who keeps his promises and my infraction was out of misinformation, not out of being sleazy and wanting to deliberately break the rules.

So anyway, please let me know how you would handle this specific case... hopefully i'll be able to give the prize as promised, because you know, the infraction was on my part, the participants are all innocent and were all really friendly and supportive.

Thank you.