Toyguru thinks 200X fans have now gotten aboard the Classics train--Wrong!!!

[iron_pride]

I think if the line continues to grow, and the outside of Mattel licensing continues to grow, that we may see more 200x elements, minus the hype-anime (oh how I dislike that phrase) detail. People want Grizzlor, people want Buzz-Off, and when Fisto gets it, and Whiplash gets it, it makes it hard to understand the reasoning. Yes we know management doesn't want it, but Fisto came out long after Buzz-Off and Grizzlor. I am a fan of all aspects, so it really doesn't bother me as much as the hardcore 200x fans, but I do see the demand, and I do understand the frustration when we are otld no, then they turn around and do it for certain figures anyway, but say it's a retired look for older ones that didn't receive the 200x treatment so to speak.

[MegaGearMax]

I think if the line continues to grow, and the outside of Mattel licensing continues to grow, that we may see more 200x elements, minus the hype-anime (oh how I dislike that phrase) detail. People want Grizzlor, people want Buzz-Off, and when Fisto gets it, and Whiplash gets it, it makes it hard to understand the reasoning. Yes we know management doesn't want it, but Fisto came out long after Buzz-Off and Grizzlor. I am a fan of all aspects, so it really doesn't bother me as much as the hardcore 200x fans, but I do see the demand, and I do understand the frustration when we are otld no, then they turn around and do it for certain figures anyway, but say it's a retired look for older ones that didn't receive the 200x treatment so to speak.

You know, just saying that 200X heads and variants are being saved for future variants down the line might have been a better strategy than claiming that Mattel Management has stopped 200X heads. That just creates needless anger for the fans (they are getting less options) and more stress for Toyguru (dealing with the fallout from those decisions). I mean is Ram Man retired? No, they plan on getting to him eventually. What is the thinking about removing 200X heads from the board? If it's to eventually refresh a bunch of characters as variants, why not tell us so instead of this "retired" crap? Is it the idea that some fans would skip the vintage character and hold out for the 200X version, if they knew the 200X version would eventually come?

[Wulff]

200x is my favorite version of the MOTU characters, but I pretty much agree with the way Mattel is handling it. A few 200x weapons here and there, and some 200x characters reimagined in classics style.

The whiplash head was a msitake, it clearly does not work on the classics body. As for characters like Clawful, his 200x head just isn't different enough, there would be no point.

Count me firmly as a 200x fan who is aboard the classics train. Mattel needs to keep doing what they've been doing.

[chuc98]

New characters from 200X like Prahvus and Evilseed aren't banned. The only thing that was banned are the alternate 200X heads.

While I'm not TOTALLY disagreeing with you…what about Fisto? What about Stinkor? What about Kobra Khan? This are all figures that have gotten a second, 200X inspired head.

[Dragonblaster]

200x is my favorite version of the MOTU characters, but I pretty much agree with the way Mattel is handling it. A few 200x weapons here and there, and some 200x characters reimagined in classics style.

The whiplash head was a msitake, it clearly does not work on the classics body. As for characters like Clawful, his 200x head just isn't different enough, there would be no point.

Count me firmly as a 200x fan who is aboard the classics train. Mattel needs to keep doing what they've been doing.

I'm VERY happy they included the 200X head.
In my opinion it works (and looks) better than the vintage head. Never liked that ugly tooth in the middle and the eyebrows...

[MegaGearMax]

While I'm not TOTALLY disagreeing with you…what about Fisto? What about Stinkor? What about Kobra Khan? This are all figures that have gotten a second, 200X inspired head.

Those are "technicalities". Nothing outright like Tung Lashor's 200X Gila-monster head and his vintage frog head.

Stinkor and Moss Man were exceptions because the original character's heads were Mer-Man and Beast Man repaints, respectively. So those 200X heads were okay to use, giving those characters unique heads.

Fisto is his Classic head, but wearing his 200X headband, not a straight translation of the red haired 200X head. I wish they had thought of this with Sy-Klone and given us an extra head but wearing his 200X helmet.

Kobra Khan's hooded head isn't a 200X idea--we first see it in Filmation. Secondly, like Fisto, it's adding a hood to his Classic head.

[convoy]

This may be in the wrong thread, but I have a tote full of all the 200x inspired accessories that I would be glad to get rid of. 200x has no place in MY MOTUC display...I may be going against the grain here, but as a 36 year-old collector, anything made beyond my childhood has no nostalgic value for me whatsoever. (the only reason I collect these in the first place)

[FAN-DOR]

Well really, 200x has no business in this line cause it is called Masters of the Universe "Classics". I have a hard time telling myself that something that happened about 8 years ago(when 200x ended) is now "classic". The 200x-ers want this line to be the definitive line for all brands and I don't really think it was ever meant to be that. When Mattel used the phrase "all encompasing" I think the 200x-ers imediately thought it was their ticket for getting the rest of the figures that were only made as stactions in the 200x line. Frankly, maybe it's just that I am older than most on here and I grew up on Filmation, but I am getting tired of the rants from 200x people. Maybe in 10+ years you guys can get a line and it will be called 200x classics. Anyway, that is just my two cents on the matter.

[Larry Waters]

I'm VERY happy they included the 200X head.
In my opinion it works (and looks) better than the vintage head. Never liked that ugly tooth in the middle and the eyebrows...

The designer of Whiplash mush have had a hand in Clawful, because the Vintage versions both have those horrible Muppet eyebrows...

[MegaGearMax]

Well really, 200x has no business in this line cause it is called Masters of the Universe "Classics". I have a hard time telling myself that something that happened about 8 years ago(when 200x ended) is now "classic". The 200x-ers want this line to be the definitive line for all brands and I don't really think it was ever meant to be that. When Mattel used the phrase "all encompasing" I think the 200x-ers imediately thought it was their ticket for getting the rest of the figures that were only made as stactions in the 200x line. Frankly, maybe it's just that I am older than most on here and I grew up on Filmation, but I am getting tired of the rants from 200x people. Maybe in 10+ years you guys can get a line and it will be called 200x classics. Anyway, that is just my two cents on the matter.

The first figure in the CLASSIC line was a 200X character--King Grayskull.

Toyguru wanted to maximize the number of characters that he could make from all over MOTU canon, not just make only the vintage characters. If anything, I think the hardcore vintage fans and purists thought that the "Classics" title literally meant only the 80's toyline due to the first year of figures (although we did get another 200X character in Zodak in 2009).

And lastly, most 200X fans aren't these "newer fans". I was collecting back in 1982, before there was a Filmation cartoon--when Teela was blonde and He-Man was a barbarian from the jungle. A lot of 200X fans aren't "kids" and collected the original line, but liked the 4H's new taken on the old characters.

[fball13z]

The first figure in the CLASSIC line was a 200X character--King Grayskull.

Toyguru wanted to maximize the number of characters that he could make from all over MOTU canon, not just make only the vintage characters. If anything, I think the hardcore vintage fans and purists thought that the "Classics" title literally meant only the 80's toyline due to the first year of figures (although we did get another 200X character in Zodak in 2009).

And lastly, most 200X fans aren't these "newer fans". I was collecting back in 1982, before there was a Filmation cartoon--when Teela was blonde and He-Man was a barbarian from the jungle. A lot of 200X fans aren't "kids" and collected the original line, but liked the 4H's new taken on the old characters.

well said MGM, Ive been a MOTU fan since I was 5 back in 82/83, but I also love 200X

[Dark Sorceress]

i still say 200x is the best look for the line *hits BG evil-lyn with hammer*

[DO4M]

Well really, 200x has no business in this line cause it is called Masters of the Universe "Classics". I have a hard time telling myself that something that happened about 8 years ago(when 200x ended) is now "classic". The 200x-ers want this line to be the definitive line for all brands and I don't really think it was ever meant to be that. When Mattel used the phrase "all encompasing" I think the 200x-ers imediately thought it was their ticket for getting the rest of the figures that were only made as stactions in the 200x line. Frankly, maybe it's just that I am older than most on here and I grew up on Filmation, but I am getting tired of the rants from 200x people. Maybe in 10+ years you guys can get a line and it will be called 200x classics. Anyway, that is just my two cents on the matter.

Are you aware that the name "Classics" is just a marketing name for the line? Like the same "Classics used on the DC Universe Line... I mean Nekron, the Rainbow Lanterns, Jaime Reyes: Blue Beetle; are those guys "Classics"? Or How X-23, Daken, The son of Hulk are Marvel "Legends"? And didn't this line start with a NON-"Classic" 200X character? If the line started with a 200X Character and is promoted as an "All encompassing" line, why must people think that this line was NOT meant to be the Ultimate MOTU Line to encompass all characters from ALL the lines!? I grew up on Filmation, played with my vintage MOTU and with my cousin's POP toys AND I LOVE 200X's redesigns for some characters. So because I love 200X it automatically negates the part that loves the older MOTU and POP stuff? I really can't understand why people STILL want to split up MOTU and keep the brand in stagnation.

And while they may not be the best designs or coolest characters, The Mighty Spector and Sir-Laser-Lot are helping the Universe expand... (Draego-Man freaking rocks and he's doing some Universe Expanding as well)

[T-man]

I Want the 200x extras we were getting. I am a big vintage fan as well, but my favorite figures are the ones could look like the 200x line if you wanted them to. The whole classics line is to create the ultimate figure, and when classics were first talked about we were supposed to get extra head and details on figures instead of comics right? It makes both types of fans happy to have figures like fisto that can take on the look you want them to have. I for one want a 200x Evilseed so bad I can't stand it. The filmation version looks ridiculous to me.

[Canada-Man]

Basically it comes down to this being "classics" and not "200x".

Me personally like all the little nods we get from the 200x line and think that is enough. As for the argument that we got an alcala head well thats one of very few things taken from the mini comic era of the line. 200x is very well represented in the classics line.

I'm all for more 200x inspired things in the line. however to complain that there still isn't enough is too much for me to hop on the band wagon and light the torches for this.

thats just my 2 cents...not trying to offend anyones beliefs in the matter. Just stating my own

[Flor2099]

The whole classics line is to create the ultimate figure

That's exactly what I have been hoping for from this line. For a premium price for an adults-only line, I have been hoping that MOTUC would be the end-all-be-all of the modern MOTU figure. Collectable action figures as a concept have already severely tanked in popularity over the last decade, so I feel like this is the last chance we get for the perfect MOTU figures. To me, Fisto is the perfect example of this - a figure that both represents the vintage toy and also includes all of the 4H embellishments as options. After we're all gone, MOTU needs kids to survive as a brand and I shudder to think what Mattel will try next as a "modern update" to MOTU. I wish the 4H were rich enough to just buy the rights from Mattel since they obviously know best.

[Canada-Man]

Yes to everything you just said!

[RyDell]

Basically it comes down to this being "classics" and not "200x".

Me personally like all the little nods we get from the 200x line and think that is enough. As for the argument that we got an alcala head well thats one of very few things taken from the mini comic era of the line. 200x is very well represented in the classics line.

I'm all for more 200x inspired things in the line. however to complain that there still isn't enough is too much for me to hop on the band wagon and light the torches for this.

thats just my 2 cents...not trying to offend anyones beliefs in the matter. Just stating my own

I agree with this. I loved the 200x cartoon, still do. Some of the figures were not the best tho. The hunchback syndrome, and what the hell happened to Zodak's helmet? I really like what MOTUC has done with 200x already. Fisto and Stinkor are surely the route to travel down, I love the mixture of vintage and modern, and having display options. Whiplash as well. I know folks hate the Claw-Ful head in general, but I love it... so ridiculous. What I want to see from 200x is Snake Armor He-Man, Long haired Teela, Captain Randor, The kulataks (the polar bear / ice wolf guys) Lord Dactys, and those types of characters. I don't need a 200x man-at-arms. However I am older than most on here and my first love is the Alcala mini comics, and I have those characters for the most part so I'm pretty happy. If Mattel continues to make figures like Fisto and Stinkor, then I think we are good to go.

[chuc98]

Kobra Khan's hooded head isn't a 200X idea--we first see it in Filmation. Secondly, like Fisto, it's adding a hood to his Classic head.

BUT it's a feature that was first introduced in TOY FORM with the 200X line.

[Larry Waters]

The first figure in the CLASSIC line was a 200X character--King Grayskull.

Toyguru wanted to maximize the number of characters that he could make from all over MOTU canon, not just make only the vintage characters. If anything, I think the hardcore vintage fans and purists thought that the "Classics" title literally meant only the 80's toyline due to the first year of figures (although we did get another 200X character in Zodak in 2009).

And lastly, most 200X fans aren't these "newer fans". I was collecting back in 1982, before there was a Filmation cartoon--when Teela was blonde and He-Man was a barbarian from the jungle. A lot of 200X fans aren't "kids" and collected the original line, but liked the 4H's new taken on the old characters.

^^^^^
THIS!!!

I'm 36, and was a collector from the first King of Castle Grayskull mini-comic. I'm not a "Johnny Come Lately"...and if 200x has no place here, neither does Filmation. There were no Lizard Man or Shadow Weaver figures in the Vintage line.

Be careful of excluding verbage. It's a slippery slope that leads to poor debate, as evidenced by the remark to which MGM was responding.

[Daniel Lynch]

I think ToyGuru's statement meant that after Hordak, 200X fans finally got the point that Classics would not include straight 200X versions.

Remember all the figures before Hordak? We would all speculate which version of a character we would get. Once Hordak came out with the mixed style, it was made more apparent that all characters would be done mostly in the vintage style. I believe that's when most 200X fans came to the realization that first time figures would not be done in a 200X style. That was about the time CapZ had his hissy-fit.

So, even though 200X fans weren't happy about the decision, I do believe that many of them were finally able to see what Classics was going to entail.

I always dislike the notion that folks campaigning for more MO2K influence somehow "didn't understand" what the line was about or that we had to come to some realization of what the toyline was meant to be. For the majority of posts I've seen here and elsewhere regarding a MO2K influence, it seemed clear to me that the idea behind the notion was for the formula of Classicization to incorporate a little more MO2K than it currently does, not that folks wanted more MO2K-straight figures or for MO2K to become the guiding element.

I know there were some extreme folks that might have come around like ToyGuru describes (though it's more likely they've gone away), but for the folks I know that still want more MO2K, myself included, we were never wanting what dedset is describing here. That said, the line has been doing a somewhat better job of incorporating MO2K elements which may also aid to a decline in rants. Just don't mention Clawful or Buzz-Off to me and I'll stay relatively quiet.

[SSj3 Derek]

Of course! We can't always produce everything that is demanded. But of course I read online post and do know what fans are asking for. No one is
Saying the demand doesn't exist.

I still want 200X heads too. I jumped in with MGM on this 2 years ago, and I'm with him today. This really is a chance to take the best elements of each version and meld them into a great figure. The most goofy elements of the 80's figures, like Buzz-Off's or Clawful's heads can include the much more aesthetically pleasing 200X versions for those of us who want them.

[Lipster]

I think it would be cool if when the is almost over and all the original characters are released if the sold multipacks of ones with 200x heads and accessories if necessary.

Like a Snakemen pack. And like a Horde pack...

[Mr. Shokoti]

Imo, this is why fans of comics, toys, and/or any other "geeky" things out there get a bad rap. Some people enjoy those things as entertainment while others consider it a lifestyle. I grew up loving G.I. Joe, Marvel Comics, & MOTU. I didn't like the way Joe & Marvel were handled and I stopped buying anything to do with them. While MOTUC is far from what I'd want in a "perfect" MOTU toyline, there's enough in it that I like to keep me collecting. Some of you who are so unhappy with the line need to sit down & decide if you should drop it or keep rolling with the punches. Starting petitions and/or trashing Mattel doesn't seem to make much difference when it comes to enacting change in the line.

[RockinHard]

This line is catered to fans far more than anything Hasbro has been doing with GI Joe.