Sdcc exclusives announced - Vykron and Hot Wheels VW Bug

[Toymaker]

Errr.... I think my words are getting confused. While Im happy the line moves foward, and my personal opinion to not buy it doesnt effect anyone as it will be a sell out anyway, I am more baffled at why you guys are happy to get concept figures that were rejected to make the line YOU ARE BUYING before say... Mekaneck? See what I mean?

Im not angry at the figure, I just dont get it. MOTUC doesnt affect me as im more a Thundercats collector (we have our own issues lol), but whatever, if you guys are happy with it, im happy for you! I personally rather someone cool like Blade before He-Man cosplaying with a cup on his head lol

I have 4 Mekaneks and 1 Blade, I do not previously own this/these figure/s.

[maltesefalcon]

first off my bonafides!: i am a child of the eighties/early nineties, i have never been to sdcc...and i doubt my budget will allow me to go anytime soon , i picked up the original figures, am equally a fan of minicomics, filmation 200x and na, and i also have been a fan of motuc since the line began (although my firsts were the dc vs motuc he-man and skeletor)

i have been on the org nearly everyday since i found it existed and as such i actually recognise these, the original prototypes i thought were extremely goofy but that might have been due to the gigantic heads i have no issue with the designs themselves other than the size of the wings and the face on the tank

these i am happy to have as an sdcc exclusive disapointed in the execution. last year there was marlena and cringer at least b+ characters and i have to admit if i had had a subscription that year i would have been extremely ticked, as it is im still looking for her on the secondary market! this year we have a character that is part of motu history but not essential therefore if it is not in the sub or people cant get it its no big loss.

for those who love to display characters wearing every individual outfit they will ,due to the way the heads are made, have to buy at least 2 versions of vykron(taking into account they can use any other buck for the tank armour), this to me does not work.

i myself will probably pick one pack up later on, displayed as the barbarian with the boba head as it reminds me of old greek helmets, and he will join my preternia shelf...well at least until i make a lineage of he shelf but im waiting on oo-lar for that

[Daniel Lynch]

I am more baffled at why you guys are happy to get concept figures that were rejected to make the line YOU ARE BUYING before say... Mekaneck? See what I mean?

For me, it's because I'm confident we're going to get Mekaneck, so the order doesn't really matter. In two years when the hype has lessened even more, when the sellouts aren't quite as quick or the production numbers quite as high, Mekaneck will do more for the health of the line than Vykron will. I know that something could happen and dramatically change or end the line, leaving us without characters we personally consider crucial, but I'd rather run that risk and have a line that innovates, explores, and celebrates MOTU than just quickly collecting all the characters I consider important and having the line run a shorter course.

[spoogyrm]

Great point, but deleted scenes were deleted for a reason: someone felt they were not as good as the rest of the movie or that they were just not that necessary.

This isn't a good analogy, and I'll tell you why: Sometimes great scenes are deleted because they do not suit the work as a whole. They didn't work with the pacing, or distracted focus from something else. OR maybe someone got hold of the film and butchered it for reasons of run-time, commercial interests or even director's credit/union issues. So a deleted scene can be great! It also holds that unproduced toys can be amazing--maybe the line was dying, maybe there were production problems, maybe the cost would have been too high.

In this case, these concepts just sucked. Except the barbarian, which let's face it, is as Conan as the finished He-Man figure.

[Hoffrod]

What I dont get is how guys are saying these were failed concepts. They didnt fail whatsoever...we HAVE the MOTU line because of their debut. For that matter, the barbarian was merely tweaked to lessen the similarity to Conan and released as He-man. The ONLY reason the other two werent used is because they werent the initial direction that Mattel followed at the time. They very well could have been added later as other characters when the initial direction expanded. They most certainly did NOT fail.

[Berserker79]

A lot of us think outside of just recreating the Vintage in a larger scale then dumping the line.

Don`t count me in

[SCB]

You swore an oath to this line. Does honor mean nothing to you?

[Berserker79]

How is an item that makes money not good for the majority though? If it makes money, then it's another success. More success means more figures. More figures mean the line keeps going. The line keeping going means we ALL get the figures we want over the next however many years. Then everyone gets what they want. Yay!!!!

I understand where you come from, I personally don`t care about the number of figures, but of the quality of design & production. I`d rather have 1 Draego Man instead of of 10 below average designed figures.

You swore an oath to this line. Does honor mean nothing to you?

Does good design mean nothing to you?

Seriously, Kobra Khan & Fisto are the only 2012 figures I own so far and since Friday I know again, why I´m a cherry picker.

[Thrawn29]

Decidedly "Meh", bordering on "don't like" these figures.

They are simply not good designs in my opinion. The only one I sort of like so far is the barbarian.

I'll buy one set anyway, but I think these were best left as concept figures.

I would rather have had a Filmation or 200x figure/variant of some sort.

[StraightEdgeHe-Man]

I really like this reveal and how it turned out in classics, I wish the future helmet had the black visor though and I wish the barbarian pack out wasn't exclusive to the con

[Hazelton]

Sigh...the end of MOTUC is nigh...

[Berserker79]

Sigh...the end of MOTUC is nigh...

It`s just the beginning...

[Darkspecter]

Great point, but deleted scenes were deleted for a reason: someone felt they were not as good as the rest of the movie or that they were just not that necessary. Same applies to this trio of SDCC exclusive figures: They did not go past the drawing board for a reason: They're LAME!!!! hahaha! Okay that's MY opinion anyway. I would not even look at them on a toy shelf in a store if I happened to walk by.

I'm happy that some people like these three figures but can anyone tell me that - if they didn't know anything about MOTUC - and saw these figures in a store, they'd go 'Oh what a beautiful figure. Love the sculpt. Must buy it.'

I sincerely doubt that. Here's an example: Teela is a beautiful figure, whether or not you're a motu fan. (I have friends who came home and who are not into toys and were like 'that one's really nice'). This exclusive is NOT, in my opinion. But yes, it's the genesis of MOTU as we know it so I guess they had to get made someday. But yeah, I'm GOING to SDCC and I'm DEFINITELY not buying this. I'm just not into it.

This isn't a good analogy, and I'll tell you why: Sometimes great scenes are deleted because they do not suit the work as a whole. They didn't work with the pacing, or distracted focus from something else. OR maybe someone got hold of the film and butchered it for reasons of run-time, commercial interests or even director's credit/union issues. So a deleted scene can be great! It also holds that unproduced toys can be amazing--maybe the line was dying, maybe there were production problems, maybe the cost would have been too high.

In this case, these concepts just sucked. Except the barbarian, which let's face it, is as Conan as the finished He-Man figure.

I agree with spoogrym. The best example of a movie with deleted scenes that matter a great deal, is The Scorpion King. The deleted scenes are the ENTIRE plot of the movie! When I first watched it, and at the end The Rock is standing there with the moon high and everything...it was played like it was extremely significant...and I thought...that's kind of weird. When you watch all the deleted scenes, you learn there's a legend and when the moon is high, blah, blah, blah. So there were 2-4 deleted scenes which were the plot to the entire movie...but they removed them so it's kind of just a random, plotless action movie.

That's me standing up for deleted scenes. For Vykron, I basically agree with oulala. If I had no idea who these guys were, I would not be excited about them at all. Right now, I think it's cool because that's where MOTU came from and I will buy 1. If these were just random concepts and not the VERY beginning of the line, I wouldn't want them at all because I'm not a fan of their designs and colours. I'm a person that likes figures based on their designs and appearance. That's why I REALLY like some of the original characters from the Brazilian MOTU comics. They look damn cool and their stories are pretty cool too. I'm okay with new and different characters as long as the look friggin sweet. It's why I sometimes buy DCUC figures I have no idea about.

Looking cool is rule #1 for me to buy a figure.

[fball13z]

Sigh...the end of MOTUC is nigh...

really? are you kidding me? B/c you dont like the SDCC figure the end of the line is coming? lol

people love to be dramatic

[bango1]

It's just like when Justin Bieber claims he's pregnant to reenlist his fans or to stir up excitement within his fandom. This sort of attention whether your specific words positive or negative is attention to the line. Attention that keeps this line exciting and thus will keep the line going. Thanks everyone for pumping this much drama into the line... The line shall last forever!

[He-Dad]

really? are you kidding me? B/c you dont like the SDCC figure the end of the line is coming? lol

people love to be dramatic

lol....I agree. For every dud there are 10 awesome figures that make up for it. Same thing with the deleted scenes analogy people are using. I love deleted scenes. I wouldn't buy them without a great movie behind them though. And sometimes they make a movie better (Daredevil)...other times they are duds. This one (Vykron) was a dud for me but I'm glad to have seen it and really happy that the die hards can get him. It opens the door for some pretty cool deleted scenes in the future.

[orbles]

I really like Vykron for several reasons; First I really like concepts getting to see the light of day in some form or another, especially when those concepts are the backbone of a property I love. The second reason I like Vykron is with the added accessories he comes with I plan to customize two additional, separate characters. The tank-head guy is going to be one of the Horde's experiments in the same vein as Snout Spout, and the Magneto-Fett look will be adapted into a New Adventures type character as well. Also, when I saw Emiliano's redesigns in the art section as well as the pitch prototypes, I immediately got a strong Eastern vibe from the barbarian and then I saw this post:



So, for me, Vykron is going to be the He-Man of the East much like Vikor was the He-Man of the North. I think the already introduced multiple He-Men across the ages concept allows for Vykron to enter the Mythos.

You know they say that He-Men were created to keep the legend alive. Who is to say that in the early days, when Eternians didnt travel as much, that there couldnt be a He-Man of the North, East, West, or South, or however you wanted to divide up Eternia. How would that be when travelers talk about He-Man in their realm and others talk about he is active in their area. How magical and powerful would the legend be then, no where for bad guys to hide! At first I wasnt really digging these figures. I dont dig buying 6 of them to have MOC and loose. You have to get 2 to open, even if you have extra bucks, because the Barbarian and Space Guy share the same head. I am starting to like them more. My main displeasure is that I wanted something I recognize, but I really like all the new guys too. So I have changed to excited to put these guys in my display!

[Telchar]

I agree with you completely Thrawn29... The other designs are not good at all.

[oICEMANo]

I dont get all the hate on these. I think they look great (altho not as great as Emil's designs) and a fitting homage to the beginnings of He-Man. Without these there would have been no He-Man.
I just hate that I have to buy 3 figures to display all 3.

[KingRandor82]

What I dont get is how guys are saying these were failed concepts. They didnt fail whatsoever...we HAVE the MOTU line because of their debut. For that matter, the barbarian was merely tweaked to lessen the similarity to Conan and released as He-man. The ONLY reason the other two werent used is because they werent the initial direction that Mattel followed at the time. They very well could have been added later as other characters when the initial direction expanded. They most certainly did NOT fail.

agreed!

As I even mentioned in another thread, there was really nothing like this at all on the market at the time, or even up to that point.

Every single property has to start somewhere, and the concept starts out something far less considerable to the general public...which is kinda the point.

[oulala]

Straight quote from AFP website

Maybe it’s just me, but with the San Diego Comic-Con exclusives Mattel revealed yesterday, I am starting to think they are losing touch with their core market for their collector-oriented lines – the little boys that grew up with toys from He-Man and DC Comics and now have a strong nostalgic pull toward their grown-up versions. I understand the Cars, the Tiny Titans and the Polly Pockets – those same guys now have little boys and girls of their own, and SDCC has become a family event. But the rest seem odd or somehow miss the mark.

Take the Masters of the Universe Classics Vykron, for example. This three-in-one exclusive takes the three prototypes that Mattel designer Roger Sweet originally presented to the executives before getting the green light for the original Masters line – and turns them into actual toys. That’s a very nice nod to the creator of Masters, but there’s a reason why the barbarian won out while the others got shelved. As with any commercial endeavor, there’s a creative process that takes the raw ideas, weeds out the weaker ones, and hones the winners into products with mass appeal. With Vykron, Mattel is trying to transform preliminary concepts that didn’t benefit from this process (even the barbarian) – and ended up with a mash mash of parts that I don’t think work well together. Aren’t you glad Mattel ditched the Devo hat before Masters hit shelves for the first time? I think Vykron is one that will appeal mostly to a limited number of hardcore MOTU fans that elevated their fandom to the point where they became MOTU historians.

Between this and the 30th Anniversary series of figures created by Toy Guru, the Four Horsemen, Geoff Johns and the like, I’m getting the feeling that the creators of the toys are becoming more important than the toys themselves. I would have rather Mattel offered something less self-congratulatory and more appealing to the broader collectors. For instance, why not someone like Ram Man?

I AGREE with this POST a 100 per cent.

[Thrawn29]

Straight quote from AFP website

Maybe it’s just me, but with the San Diego Comic-Con exclusives Mattel revealed yesterday, I am starting to think they are losing touch with their core market for their collector-oriented lines – the little boys that grew up with toys from He-Man and DC Comics and now have a strong nostalgic pull toward their grown-up versions. I understand the Cars, the Tiny Titans and the Polly Pockets – those same guys now have little boys and girls of their own, and SDCC has become a family event. But the rest seem odd or somehow miss the mark.

Take the Masters of the Universe Classics Vykron, for example. This three-in-one exclusive takes the three prototypes that Mattel designer Roger Sweet originally presented to the executives before getting the green light for the original Masters line – and turns them into actual toys. That’s a very nice nod to the creator of Masters, but there’s a reason why the barbarian won out while the others got shelved. As with any commercial endeavor, there’s a creative process that takes the raw ideas, weeds out the weaker ones, and hones the winners into products with mass appeal. With Vykron, Mattel is trying to transform preliminary concepts that didn’t benefit from this process (even the barbarian) – and ended up with a mash mash of parts that I don’t think work well together. Aren’t you glad Mattel ditched the Devo hat before Masters hit shelves for the first time? I think Vykron is one that will appeal mostly to a limited number of hardcore MOTU fans that elevated their fandom to the point where they became MOTU historians.

Between this and the 30th Anniversary series of figures created by Toy Guru, the Four Horsemen, Geoff Johns and the like, I’m getting the feeling that the creators of the toys are becoming more important than the toys themselves. I would have rather Mattel offered something less self-congratulatory and more appealing to the broader collectors. For instance, why not someone like Ram Man?

I AGREE with this POST a 100 per cent.

So do I. There are some fans who are happy with the SDCC exclusive, and that's cool; and while I don't hate it, I certainly can't say that I like it either.

I think the Mattel Higher Ups, the 4H, and Toyguru are a bit out of touch with the general and casual fan base.

Hence weak versions of King Hsss, repaint BG Evil Lyn, Vykron, Muppet Clawful, no 200x heads, etc.

The line is still going strong, I'm with it to the end, but man when the 4H and Toyguru are wrong, they crash and burn hard.

[Neutro]

Straight quote from AFP website

For instance, why not someone like Ram Man?

Ram Man?! As the SDCC exclusive?! Oh yeah, that would have gone over well.

Just had to comment on that...

So the real reason I came here to post again was...

I was just curious if these EXTREMELY HIGH RESOLUTION pics would change anyone's mind, who is thinking these figures are too plain looking...

Barbarian

Military

SpaceSuit

...cause I'm not sure everyone has seen these this up close yet (I know I hadn't until tonight) and before I had seen them this up close, I too thought they looked a bit plain – but boy was I wrong! They're each really quite detailed, and really quite AWESOME!

I for one am very excited to get these!

(...Stinkor on the other hand...)

[Mistico]

I like this figure idea & I'm going to buy at least one (I have plenty of spare figures to pose with the extra armors if I decide to go the cheaper route, but that's to be decided later) if not one of each. I love Mattel bringing all facets of MOTU to "life", be it concept, MOTU vintage, POP, NAHM, MYP, mini-comic, movie, FILMation or whatever else they can use to give more life to the line & add more figures. Adding historical figures like Vykron, Vikor, Demo-Man, and Wun-Dar to the line is excellent! I'm very pleased with everything I've seen thus far and know the line can keep going strong with all the positive support it gets from us fans.

[Dark Sorceress]

So do I. There are some fans who are happy with the SDCC exclusive, and that's cool; and while I don't hate it, I certainly can't say that I like it either.

I think the Mattel Higher Ups, the 4H, and Toyguru are a bit out of touch with the general and casual fan base.

Hence weak versions of King Hsss, repaint BG Evil Lyn, Vykron, Muppet Clawful, no 200x heads, etc.

The line is still going strong, I'm with it to the end, but man when the 4H and Toyguru are wrong, they crash and burn hard.

yes they do! the only bad thing is they been crashing alot the past year
and you forgot to add the UGLY Star Sisters and are based on looks that no one wanted