The thought of waiting over two years for Kowl makes me sad![]()
Michael, I agree with your ideas. :-)
Manny
The thought of waiting over two years for Kowl makes me sad![]()
Don't want to sound like a Debbie Downer but...
I'm really disappointed with the 30th anniversary of MOTU so far. There's no visibility anywhere. When i went to WonderCon, they were hardly any vendors with a lot of MOTUC figures, there were no banners, no Mattel Presence etc.
I thought we were going to be getting T shirts, keyrings etc. And it's May now and nothing has happened yet. The only thing we're getting that's kinda big is the 6 issue DC comic. Other than that, a lackluster exclusive and '30Th anniversary series' that do not have any connection with the brand as we came to love and cherish it.
So I DOUBT we're going to get an exciting POP birthday celebration.![]()
It would be great to the POP's 30th to be celebrated but I can't see them doing anything. Despite been one of the largest and most vocal parts of the fan base and all the POP releases selling very well so far something is stopping us from getting a decent amount of POP figures each year.
I honestly think that were 2-3 figures behind where POP currently should be and I think that Glimmer not been done yet is a travesty. If we can get another new POP girl in 2012 and a new one previewed for 2013 as an incentive for POP fans to buy the sub then i'll be really pleased with that. I have strong feeling well be getting fobbed off with Sea Hawk and will basically be told to be happy weve got another POP release but I really hope he's not one of the first few 2013 figures and is used to entice POP fans into buying a sub. I can see POP fans been majorly ticked off if he is and Sea Hawk won't get POP fans on the whole to buy a sub, where one of the unreleased POP girls would potentially. When POP fans say they want POP characters they are on the whole talking about the female characters since before filmation rights we only had Bow (already done), Kowl and Loo-Kee and management and Toyguru know this.
By the end of 2013 I want to see all these characters in the line at least:
Glimmer
Castaspella
Queen Angella
Scorpia
I don't think that's a lot to ask.
Last edited by Jubilation; April 30, 2012 at 04:12pm.
MOTUC POP WISH LISTAdora : Bow : Castaspella : Catra : Double Trouble : Entrapta : Flutterina : Frosta : Glimmer : Granita : Huntara : Kowl : Loo-Kee : Madame Razz : Mermista :
Netossa : Octavia : Peekablue : Perfuma : Queen Angella : Scorpia : Sea Hawk : Shadow Weaver : She-Ra : Spinnerella : Star Sisters : Sweet Bee : Swiftwind
If they DARE to make the 2013 sub exclusive another POP figure next year, they're going to have a REAL Rebellion on their hands!
MOTUC POP WISH LISTAdora : Bow : Castaspella : Catra : Double Trouble : Entrapta : Flutterina : Frosta : Glimmer : Granita : Huntara : Kowl : Loo-Kee : Madame Razz : Mermista :
Netossa : Octavia : Peekablue : Perfuma : Queen Angella : Scorpia : Sea Hawk : Shadow Weaver : She-Ra : Spinnerella : Star Sisters : Sweet Bee : Swiftwind
I thoroughly support the sentiment of this thread. She-Ra's 25th anniversary was lacklustre at best ad while He-Man's 30th has been crammed with items, the execution has largely been a disappointment.
She-Ra needs a celebration for her 30th. I think the statements Toyguru has made about POP being included in MOTUC does a dis-service to the brand and its potential for being marketed to an entirely new audience. The Polly Pocket set was great last year, but can you imagine She-Ra Barbies? Two hugely iconic Mattel brands united to bring major $$$ to their pockets.
I wonder if Scott is denying that anything will take place because a) it's way too soon and b) he doesn't want any potential spoilers to get out there. I do wonder though that the execution of She-Ra's 30th might need someone else at the helm - unless Scott feels up to the challenge. I've been thrilled with the POP figures we've seen thus far, but he's hardly been proactive at including them in MOTUC.
I hope that Classic Media intend to celebrate her 30th. They seem a lot more on-board with She-Ra than Mattel do right now.
I think that's accurate and it too is inexcusable. My position on this is that NA fans need to raise their voices - because they just don't seem to be as numerous. Some of the more fan-demanded POP characters easily match and in some cases exceed the demand for MOTU characters. That isn't the case with NA...
Darkspecter, the Monster High idea rocks, as does your Castaspella/Kowl suggestion - great ideas. If there's a colour vote at this year's SDCC, I expect it will concern her (although maybe they'll abandon that concept entirely due to the sub Fan Choice vote). I never liked the concept of Allepsatsac though. People complain about the 'campiness' of Castaspella's name (which I actually think is kinda clever in an uber-kitsche way!), but giving her a cousin with her named spelled backwards always seemed a little too silly for me.
She-Ra will always be a He-Man spinoff, BUT there are other ways of bringing fans to the brand. Barbie is an enormous line of enormous power - I see POP Barbies as a great way to bring renewed interest in the She-Ra characters (and largely the POP toyline) while MOTUC continues the way it's been going.
As much as I love and want Glimmer, I wouldn't be surprised if they held her or perhaps Queen Angella back as they have with Ram-Man. I understand the business logic of those tactics, as cruel as they may seem. What I don't understand is the enormous lack of POP characters as a whole. I'm pleased we got Swift Wind and Shadow Weaver (although don't get me started on the latter's debacle). Star Sisters could have waited, IMO. In-between Catra and Frosta are fifteen months of no POP monthly releases. They could have scattered one if not two or three in there.
I hear ya, DisneyBoy. You're right to be worried. We've all been clamouring for the likes of Glimmer and Castaspella for so long that it feels like Peekablue, Netossa and Flutterina are literally years away from us. As long as Mattel insist on releasing the MOTU heavy-hitters, they'll soon be in trouble and we'll be the ones suffering. I'd hazard a guess that the second and third waves of POP characters would sell infinitely better than Vykron...
You see, I don't think it's about fairness. Mattel are a business and need to do what they imagine will be profitable for them. MOTUC has been running long enough to include more POP and NA characters without the worry of the bubble bursting. With the glasses, She-Ra's image is known around the world and could have easily sold more... NA characters...erm, I don't think any of them have the same sort of sway...
It's an entirely reasonable request. I hope to see a POP female and Filmation POP female at SDCC, but I'm not holding my breath. At this rate, Mattel need to do a lot to revive my interest in MOTUC. At this rate, Frosta's the next figure I'll definitely be buying (jury's out on Spikor...so he's a maybe for me).
Most-wanted MOTUC: Madame Razz and Broom - Scorpia - Granita - Hunga the Harpy - Spinnerella - Melaktha - Vultak - Dylamug - Crita
Based on the MOTU 30th figure (Vykron), you may see these early concept sketches combined into an exciting new character for your collection!
They could name her Vykra!![]()
I'm with you on that as my interest in the line is slipping away due to a lack of POP and poor character selections (Carnivus, Mo-Larr, Spector, Sir Lasor Lot, Snake MAA, Vykron) getting figure slots. I love the vintage MOTU stuff but I'm not happy with the lack of POP stuff and unless I see 2 more new POP girls at SDCC (one for 2012 and one for 2013) there's just no way I'll ever buy a sub again.
MOTUC POP WISH LISTAdora : Bow : Castaspella : Catra : Double Trouble : Entrapta : Flutterina : Frosta : Glimmer : Granita : Huntara : Kowl : Loo-Kee : Madame Razz : Mermista :
Netossa : Octavia : Peekablue : Perfuma : Queen Angella : Scorpia : Sea Hawk : Shadow Weaver : She-Ra : Spinnerella : Star Sisters : Sweet Bee : Swiftwind
What is the origin of these She-Ra sketches? A 3-in-1 dress up pack of those would be awesome as a SDCC exclusive! (and therefore don't hold Kowl back that long)
I don't think that really matters though. Just because somebody knows of She-Ra/POP doesn't mean they are going to spend any money on buying figures or toy related merchandise for the property. I wouldn't mind seeing POP fans get some type of anniversary treatment, but I don't think it would be as popular or sell as much as He-man and MOTU can. I just don't see Mattel giving POP the same type of marketing push with this line.
If this is what they're doing, then I have to say that they do not (surprise surprise!) understand their customer base. We POP fans have been buying MOTU characters in the hopes that we'll get the figures we want. How many people who buy POP have said they're gone after they get Glimmer or Angella? We want them all. Holding out Ram-Man is supposedly to string those other guys along. We've been strung along since Day 1.
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Agreed - that's why uniting with another Mattel property like Barbie or as Darkspecter suggested Monster High should be the way to go. She-Ra characters in MOTUC can continue alongside.
Yes...Considering the promises that were made four years ago, we've got a pretty sorry selection of characters from one of the most successful parts of the franchise...
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Most-wanted MOTUC: Madame Razz and Broom - Scorpia - Granita - Hunga the Harpy - Spinnerella - Melaktha - Vultak - Dylamug - Crita
MOTUC POP WISH LISTAdora : Bow : Castaspella : Catra : Double Trouble : Entrapta : Flutterina : Frosta : Glimmer : Granita : Huntara : Kowl : Loo-Kee : Madame Razz : Mermista :
Netossa : Octavia : Peekablue : Perfuma : Queen Angella : Scorpia : Sea Hawk : Shadow Weaver : She-Ra : Spinnerella : Star Sisters : Sweet Bee : Swiftwind
I have no problem with you POP guys having a POP strong year in 2015...
As long as I have my faves until then, you can have MOTUC...![]()
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I really don't know how they will handle Kowl and Loo-Kee since they are both small. Loo-Kee makes sense to feature as a pack-in, but with who? No one was associated with him. Somone like Josh would be funny, but I think Mattel believes they could sell Loo-Kee with Josh as the pack-in better than the other way around. Heck, they probably think they can sell Broom better than Josh--maybe they're right, I don't feel I'm on the same page as a lot of fans these days. Kowl though would have been a natural to sell with Bow or Adora. I don't think he fits as well with any other character. Perhaps he needs to be sold as something other than a pack-in with another figure.
Sigh, I'd actually like those. They might even make really good figures even though so far there has been some issue with just about every female figure (except Shadow Weaver--not counting the availability). My only objection would be timing if they came out while so many PoP main characters are still not made (plus we just did this with the Star Sisters). Vyrkon's got it worse, he's not beating the stars of MOTU to production, most of them are already out, but people don't seem like him on his own merits.
Right on! I'm picturing Shadow Weaver as the headmistress of Etheria High.They could also release some commemorative figures prior to such a relaunch, like they did before the 2002 relaunch of MOTU.
I'm seriously surprised nobody in the Girls' department at Mattel has attempted to do anything with the property. There has to be some employees from our generation who were big fans of POP.
If they had the foresight to use the property when the Disney Princess and Fairies were at their height in popularity, there could have been a good bit of success. It was a girl-heavy cast that required no licensing fee to another company and had major fantasy elements. You know what they say about hindsight!
As for the POP anniversary (which won't be recognized), I would love a commemorative vintage set, but would settle for them actually getting a lot more of the MOTUC POP gals finished.
Holding out for Castaspella, Angella, Double Trouble and Entrapta!!!
You guys have got some great ideas going; I'd cross my fingers and click the heels on my ruby slippers, but I'm afraid neither would help bring some of these to life.And I salute the NA fans. You take a lot of crap, but you can take heart that all the NA figures the Horsemen have translated into Classics have absolutely rocked! I WANT to see what they do next.
I also agree that it's bizarre that Mattel hasn't done anything with the She-ra property at retail. The boys action figure market is fizzling out, but girls lines are still going strong. Monster high also proves that young girls will take very well to action-figure style dolls that have separate characterizations and personalities. And toy companies are pushing the princess thing like crazy; She-ra IS a PRINCESS of Power.
On that note, why does Mattel hate printing money? By not exploiting a major property of theirs more, that is essentially what they are doing.
By the end of 2015, I hope we can all look at our PoP shelves and see:
Sweet Bee
Castaspella
Mermista
Glimmer
Queen Angella
Scorpia
Peekablue
Madame Razz & Broom
Kowl
Sea Hawk
The Red Knight
Entrapta
That gives us one more for 2012, three each for 2013, 2014, and 2015, plus a 2015 San Diego exclusive and a place for Kowl. A good even mix of highly requested and slightly obscure. (And for those keeping track, i know my list changes slightly depending on the day.)
I don't think that's asking too terribly much. In fact, if they wanted to go the extra mile, they could give us a Subscription Exclusive for 2015. Something boyish even, to please the general toy collector. Something like FILMation Hordak & Imp. Oh yes, I went there. Coveted variant as a sub incentive.
It's not making a big deal out of the anniversary at all. It's just slightly upping the PoP output to give us what we've been waiting for.
IF they went the extra EXTRA mile and did a 30th Anniverary sub, I'd be happy with, say, 3 figures. One mini-comic character, one obscure FILMation character, and a 4H original.
Aside from a 30th Anniversary Special Edition dvd of Secret Of The Sword coming out in 2015 (which'll be great considering how long out-of-print SOTS will be come '15!), I'm not sure what else exactly I would do... except for plan out this particular roll-out of figures for MOTUC:
2015:
January Sub Figure: Scorpia
1st Quarter Variant: Horde Force Captain Adora
1st Quarter "Large" Slot: Horde Trooper Army Builder 2-Pack
February Sub Figure: Evilseed
March Sub Figure: Extendar
2105 Club Eternia Subscription Exclusive Figure: Horde Mummy Concept Figure
Map/Poster Slot: a brand new Secret Of The Sword 30th Anniversary Art Print
April Sub Figure: Huntara
2nd Quarter Variant: Captain Randor
2nd Quarter "Large" Slot: Arrow
May Sub Figure: Blade
June Sub Figure: Double Trouble
July Sub Figure: Twistoid
SDCC 2015 Exclusive: Filmation Hordak & Imp
August Sub Figure: Hunga The Harpy
September Sub Figure: Flutterina
3rd Quarter Variant: Flying Fists He-Man
3rd Quarter "Large" Slot: Bionatops
October Sub Figure: Nocturna
November Sub Figure: Dragstor
4th Quarter Variant: Starburst She-Ra (with all necessary pieces to transform into regular classic toy costume She-Ra)
4th Quarter "Large" Slot: Twiggets Multi-Pack
December Sub Figure: Queen Angella
Outside the Sub Offerings:
Whispering Woods Themed Figure Stands
The Slime Pit Playset/Diorama
I feel like this sort of year in MOTUC would 1) celebrate the classic PoP toyline, 2) The Secret Of The Sword anniversary, 3) the PoP cartoon anniversary, 4) the 30th anniversary of the introduction of The Evil Horde in MOTU/PoP, while also sticking to what MOTUC is all about by sprinkling in some NA, classic MOTU, concept characters, Filmation most-wanted, MYP, '87 movie, etc![]()
That's very selfless of you.
I remember someone suggesting Loo-Kee could be packed with Peekablue - this might work because of their colour schemes. I still think the best way is for them to do a 'little guys' pack and actually think Kowl, Imp and Loo-Kee could share a body piece (much like I presume Uncle Montork and Dree-Elle will eventually borrow from the Orko buck). People have also suggested they could be sold with Spirit (although we all know Mattel should have made the Swift Wind figure so he could act as both).
I think He-Man will always stand in the way of a potential She-Ra reboot. The two are too closely linked. Of course, they *could* redo She-Ra without adjusting her origin (by alluding to his existence or simply coming in halfway through the series, just as Filmation's He-Man started), but I doubt they would. It'll be interesting to see what comes of this Classic Media development (if anything) - they seem to believe in She-Ra more than Mattel.
Actually, tying She-Ra's anniversary in with the that of the Evil Horde would be a really smart marketing move, IMO. She's iconic and the Horde bat symbol is too - perhaps even more so than any of the Horde characters.
BUT... I really don't want to wait till 2015 to get half those characters - give us Scorpia and Queen Angella sooner rather than later please!![]()
Most-wanted MOTUC: Madame Razz and Broom - Scorpia - Granita - Hunga the Harpy - Spinnerella - Melaktha - Vultak - Dylamug - Crita
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I'm not sure I agree with this, this just reiterates the fact that POP is for girls and to make it even more girly would make men even more opposed to having POP figures. I think it should be made to feel like POP isn't just for girls and that men can enjoy them too.
I personally wouldn't buy She-Ra and co under the guise of fairies and Monster High, I want them to fit in with the male characters of MOTUC.
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