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    Paul dini was the one who was bitter about his work at filmation. (can't say he STILL is but circa BTAS he was definitely bitter about it) Bruce timm seemed more appreciative of his he-man work (he never gushed but I never heard a bitterness)
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    Quote Originally Posted by xBBestx View Post
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    This is why I can't watch Comic Book Guys on AMC. Or watch any Kevin Smith movies. Or read any of his comics.

    Paul Dini is a great writer and certainly did a lot to flesh out the MOTU mythos. But I get the feeling he's let thirty years of bitterness cloud his memories a bit. My reading of the interview went like this:

    KS: So, Mattel basically threw toys at you and said "create this universe".
    PD: Yeah, they had the name "Eternia" and we (the writers) created everything else. Everything that you love about MOTU came from me and everything you hate resulted from Mattel's vagueness concerning the property.

    Don't get me wrong, Dini did as much as anyone else in terms of sculpting the world of MOTU as we know it, but I think he's maybe overestimating his own contributions a wee bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Stalker View Post
    This is why I can't watch Comic Book Guys on AMC. Or watch any Kevin Smith movies. Or read any of his comics.

    Paul Dini is a great writer and certainly did a lot to flesh out the MOTU mythos. But I get the feeling he's let thirty years of bitterness cloud his memories a bit. My reading of the interview went like this:

    KS: So, Mattel basically threw toys at you and said "create this universe".
    PD: Yeah, they had the name "Eternia" and we (the writers) created everything else. Everything that you love about MOTU came from me and everything you hate resulted from Mattel's vagueness concerning the property.

    Don't get me wrong, Dini did as much as anyone else in terms of sculpting the world of MOTU as we know it, but I think he's maybe overestimating his own contributions a wee bit.
    To be fair a lot of the mythos came from the Michael Halperin bible didn't it? that was done for filmation to do a show. I haven't listened to the interview but I know Dini was very bitter for a while. sad because Filmation gave a lot of folks a chance to get their start, i'd be so grateful for a company to do that for me.
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    Sorry guys. Personally, I love Kevin Smith, but his podcasts are FULL of vulgarity, so I had to take out the link. It's Smodcast episode #211 if anyone wants to search it out for themselves.
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    This was already a pretty well-known fact.

    The "MOTU Bible" written by Michael Halperin is where most of the built-up lore comes form. Halperin even wrote some of the minicomics himself in the early stage, and they incorporate the elements that have become iconic for the franchise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
    This was already a pretty well-known fact.

    The "MOTU Bible" written by Michael Halperin is where most of the built-up lore comes form. Halperin even wrote some of the minicomics himself in the early stage, and they incorporate the elements that have become iconic for the franchise.
    Several things were also introduced in the DC Comics (Adam as He-Man's secret ID, his talking cat Cringer, Marlena being from earth). It's quite possible that Halperin was involved at this point or that Mark Ellis, Lou Scheimer, and others were generating ideas, but Paul Kupperberg from DC doesn't recall a series bible. Here's an interview Sallah did with him a couple of years ago...

    http://www.motucfigures.com/2010/07/...asters-of.html

    Regardless, there is no question that much of the post-Glut/Alcala mythos was developed and solidified by Michael Halperin. Still, I suspect others (such as Kupperberg) were tossing in some seminal ideas as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
    Several things were also introduced in the DC Comics (Adam as He-Man's secret ID, his talking cat Cringer, Marlena being from earth). It's quite possible that Halperin was involved at this point or that Mark Ellis, Lou Scheimer, and others were generating ideas, but Paul Kupperberg from DC doesn't recall a series bible. Here's an interview Sallah did with him a couple of years ago...

    Regardless, there is no question that much of the post-Glut/Alcala mythos was developed and solidified by Michael Halperin. Still, I suspect others (such as Kupperberg) were tossing in some seminal ideas as well.
    Yep, I know the Kupperberg/Glut DC stories well, as I read the original DC minicomic as a kid. What I am wondering is how sure we can be 30 years later that they DIDN'T get any kind of outline of story elements provided to them beforehand. It's hard to remember everything that happened a decade ago, especially in a busy profession such as a comics writer.

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    Kevin is God....interview was good too.....hehe.

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    Paul Dini Reflects on Filmation on Podcast

    Hey guys just wanted to drop in a tidbit here and inform y'all that Paul Dini was just recently on a Kevin smith podacst (Fatman on Batman) where he spoke of his career ladder and Kevin had him speak on his Filmation MOTU experience offering a nice little chunk of history, definitely worth the listen!

    here's the link for anyone wanting to listen:
    **Please do not post direct links to this interview. Lots of vulgarity. It's easy enough to find if you look for Kevin Smith's podcast site.**
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    I never knew Paul Dini and Bruce Timm were involved with this show before until i did research on the net about 11 years ago and that kicks a$$ you know those two are geniuses for making such shows like Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, Batman TAS, Justice League, Superman TAS and other DC/Warner shows.
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