Catra or Shadow Weaver?

[mykan]

Who would you pick as the de facto Horde leader if Hordak were out of the picture? The toy line seemed to relegate Catra as the de facto leader, but in the cartoon, Shadow Weaver seemed to be more the next in line to take the throne. Who would you pick? Who would be a worthy nemesis for She-Ra if Hordak left Etheria?

[Darkspecter]

Catra, hands down! She was the main villainess in the toy line and many books. In fact, in the mini-world books, Shadow Weaver works for Catra and she has weird robot soldiers (which I think are supposed to be Horde Troopers). Catra's also a powerful sorceress in many stories with magic that I think would rival Shadow Weaver's!

[Sky Breaker]

As much as I love Shadoweaver, I feel that Catra is a more ambitious, charismatic and tactical character (or at least could be) if written so. When I was a kid, I used to want a mask that could transform me into a jungle cat (along with some other items from MOTU mythos, the Power Sword was never one of them)

[He-bro]

I agree, Catra.

[Haephestus]

Shadow Weaver!

Catra never seemed like a serious threat to me, even when she transformed into a giant cat, but Shadow Weaver always seemed dangerous and more of an independent operator allied with Hordak for mutual gain than Catra who was very much Hordak's underling.

[Burtonnut]

Shadow Weaver because she's able to do magic (plus the fact that Catra gets on my nerves)

[DisneyBoy]

I think Catra would be happy to step up and lead the charge and answer to Horde Prime. Weaver....ehhhh not so much! She'd probably go solo...

[Micro-Man]

While Catra seems to be more comfortable leading troopers in the field as Force Captain (Hey, she even got to be Force Commander for a few seconds!), I think Shadow Weaver is more powerful and manipulative. She'd use her magical powers to secure her throne in the Fright Zone, if not make Horror Hall the new "capital" of the Horde. If it came down to a head-to-head confrontation, I just don't think Catra would be able to overpower Shadow Weaver.

[Telkan2]

Who would you pick as the de facto Horde leader if Hordak were out of the picture? The toy line seemed to relegate Catra as the de facto leader, but in the cartoon, Shadow Weaver seemed to be more the next in line to take the throne. Who would you pick? Who would be a worthy nemesis for She-Ra if Hordak left Etheria?

For me it would be Catra, if we're talking about the Horde as a militaristic force battling with the Rebellion for control of Etheria. I feel like Shadow Weaver certainly has more clout with Hordak, but she's not really much of a field leader (though she was capable enough when ordered into that role)--Weaver's more like the Sorceress seen in Filmation, whose focus on the supernatural superseded her interest in martial actions. Catra, however, was promoted to Force Captain after Adora's defection, so she must have demonstrated adequate tactical and leadership pr-rrrrr-owess at some point to warrant that position.

Now, if it came to leading a Horde incursion against, say, Castle Grayskull (keeping in mind that Hordak is out of the picture), then command should be given to Shadow Weaver without a doubt.

[deltadod]

On the other hand shadow weavers voice is less grating.

[DisneyBoy]

But Catra has more of a relationship with Leech, Griz and the others (however strained it may be). Weaver just scares and/or bothers them all...

[zodak74]

I'm going with Catra as a Horde leader/conqueror after Hordak. Shadow Weaver I can see striking out on her own once she's out from under Hordak's oppressive thumb, being an independent villainess creating trouble from Horror Hall. I could also see a lot of interesting conflict and tension between Catra and Shadow Weaver- much along the lines of King Hiss and Skeletor from the old mini-comics. Definitely of the mind that once one of them has the other out of the way, that Etheria would be hers for the taking!

[Zentron]

From watching the show, I'd say Catra would be the next in line... after Shadow Weaver! That is, if SW doesn't vape her for the heck of it!

[Slave2Evil_Lyn]

Catra was a Force Captain but I stilll think Shadow Weaver would take over if Hordak disappeared. She may not be as openly conniving as Evil Lyn but I still think she has plans of her own.

[Jon-O]

Shadow Weaver would be the brains of the operation, and have Catra as her right hand, executing her wishes.

[jay20]

Shadow Weaver would be the brains of the operation, and have Catra as her right hand, executing her wishes.

Fab thread.

To me CATRA always will be her arch enemy.
HORDAK is not a villian in my 'world' for She-RA.

Things is how would the story be like if FILMATION left out Hordak?



We have Catra, who is a cat-witch, sorcceress and her friends (Octavia, Scorpia, ectr ectr...) and she lives in a lavatower ? Lets keep Hordak and his team in He-Mans world.
But what is her main goal?
We have chrystel castle, the magic sword, bow?


Can anyone help me with ideas?

Lets keep the Filmation story a bit about the Rebels and the villians = Catra and her team.
Adora was never part of catras team?How could we re-write it?
What is her goal? the power over castle grayskull?

[mykan]

Fab thread.

To me CATRA always will be her arch enemy.
HORDAK is not a villian in my 'world' for She-RA.

Things is how would the story be like if FILMATION left out Hordak?



We have Catra, who is a cat-witch, sorcceress and her friends (Octavia, Scorpia, ectr ectr...) and she lives in a lavatower ? Lets keep Hordak and his team in He-Mans world.
But what is her main goal?
We have chrystel castle, the magic sword, bow?


Can anyone help me with ideas?

Lets keep the Filmation story a bit about the Rebels and the villians = Catra and her team.
Adora was never part of catras team?How could we re-write it?
What is her goal? the power over castle grayskull?

I'm actually working on a web comic that deals with this very issue. In this story, I depended on the POP mini comics to guide some of the story development. There IS no Shadow Weaver since she was never in the toy line. Catra is an ultra powerful sorceress who takes control of the Etherian Horde territories when Hordak takes a portion of the Horde to Eternia to claim the powers of Grayskull. Due to the irregularities of trans-dimensional travel, and spells cast by Light Hope himself, Hordak discovers that he CANNOT return to Etheria proper. The Despondos and Eternia dimensions have to be aligned just so to be able to travel back and forth - so Hordak just happened to test the portal to and from Eternia at the right time. By the time Hordak traveled to Eternia with his Horde, set up the Eternian Fright Zone, and launched his first invasion campaign, the dimensions had fallen out of alignment. Hordak was able to return to Etheria, but it was a barren nether realm, a shadow of the world he knew. It was here that he retreated if his enemies proved too invasive. He also ventured to nether-Etheria in hopes that he could find a way to break through the dimensional veil and reach the rest of his faction.

In the meantime, Catra took control of the remnants of the Etherian Horde. Forced to grow her power exponentially through independent study and new dark arts allies, she quelled the forces of ambitious Horde governors and generals that sought to carve out power for themselves. She united the Horde territories once more, and sought to achieve what Hordak didn't - defeat the united forces of the Three Realms and conquer all of Etheria. The Etherian Horde had taken control, and mastered great influence across the planet, but the Three Realms managed to keep Etheria from becoming a totally Horde-Occupied world. Hordak himself had come very close to defeating the Three Realms, but his attention had always been split between finding a way back to Eternia and establishing Horde dominance on Etheria. Once he discovered a passageway back to Eternia, he mostly abandoned the war with the Three Realms, leaving Catra to focus on the war. Once it seemed that Hordak was not going to return - and the Etherian Horde was totally under her control, Catra hatched a plan that would undermine and tumble the power of the Three Realms. Mystacor fell first, then the Kingdom of Snows, then finally Brightmoon. With no force on Etheria great enough to stop them, the planet was ready for total Horde domination.

Adora was actually instrumental in the defeat of Brightmoon, it was her first mission outside of the Zone. With the final defeat of Brightmoon, Catra consolidated more power and positioned herself as the definitive leader of the Etherian Horde. Adora was at odds with this, as she saw this political move as abandonment of rescuing her father Hordak. The newly promoted Force Captain publicly challenged Catra, who viewed the Horde Princess as a growing threat to her rule. Thus she banished Adora from the Horde on the charge of treason, and secretly dispatched cat goblins to assassinate her.

[BarbiCatra]

Watching the show as an adult, I think Shadow Weaver would probably be next in line after Hordak, but only because she seems to stick fairly close to him. Catra seems more like a General, out in the field and doing the grunt work.

Of course, as a kid, I somehow totally skipped over Shadow Weaver and was obsessed with Catra, probably because SW didn't have a figure that I could play with.

[jay20]

I'm actually working on a web comic that deals with this very issue. In this story, I depended on the POP mini comics to guide some of the story development. There IS no Shadow Weaver since she was never in the toy line. Catra is an ultra powerful sorceress who takes control of the Etherian Horde territories when Hordak takes a portion of the Horde to Eternia to claim the powers of Grayskull. Due to the irregularities of trans-dimensional travel, and spells cast by Light Hope himself, Hordak discovers that he CANNOT return to Etheria proper. The Despondos and Eternia dimensions have to be aligned just so to be able to travel back and forth - so Hordak just happened to test the portal to and from Eternia at the right time. By the time Hordak traveled to Eternia with his Horde, set up the Eternian Fright Zone, and launched his first invasion campaign, the dimensions had fallen out of alignment. Hordak was able to return to Etheria, but it was a barren nether realm, a shadow of the world he knew. It was here that he retreated if his enemies proved too invasive. He also ventured to nether-Etheria in hopes that he could find a way to break through the dimensional veil and reach the rest of his faction.

In the meantime, Catra took control of the remnants of the Etherian Horde. Forced to grow her power exponentially through independent study and new dark arts allies, she quelled the forces of ambitious Horde governors and generals that sought to carve out power for themselves. She united the Horde territories once more, and sought to achieve what Hordak didn't - defeat the united forces of the Three Realms and conquer all of Etheria. The Etherian Horde had taken control, and mastered great influence across the planet, but the Three Realms managed to keep Etheria from becoming a totally Horde-Occupied world. Hordak himself had come very close to defeating the Three Realms, but his attention had always been split between finding a way back to Eternia and establishing Horde dominance on Etheria. Once he discovered a passageway back to Eternia, he mostly abandoned the war with the Three Realms, leaving Catra to focus on the war. Once it seemed that Hordak was not going to return - and the Etherian Horde was totally under her control, Catra hatched a plan that would undermine and tumble the power of the Three Realms. Mystacor fell first, then the Kingdom of Snows, then finally Brightmoon. With no force on Etheria great enough to stop them, the planet was ready for total Horde domination.

Adora was actually instrumental in the defeat of Brightmoon, it was her first mission outside of the Zone. With the final defeat of Brightmoon, Catra consolidated more power and positioned herself as the definitive leader of the Etherian Horde. Adora was at odds with this, as she saw this political move as abandonment of rescuing her father Hordak. The newly promoted Force Captain publicly challenged Catra, who viewed the Horde Princess as a growing threat to her rule. Thus she banished Adora from the Horde on the charge of treason, and secretly dispatched cat goblins to assassinate her.

fantastic work. i will come back to this. i want the HORDE to be completley out....its not girly enough.
I will tell you about my thoughts

[Niki]

Since Shadow Weaver had been FILMATIONs spell casting "witch" it made sense to take that part away from Catra. I´m still thinking it wasn´t true to the character since she had been established as a sorceress in the mini comics.

Putting all those facts together i think Catra would be the rightful leader to the Horde. Her main goal is the defeat of She-ra while Shadow Weaver has many different agendas.

Shadow Weaver is no fighter and Hordak was, in a battle i don´t think Shadow Weaver knows how to handle her troups. Catra is bossy and knows how to fight.


These are my thoughts and believes.

[superheman]

Shadow Weaver for me, because I've always thought she is more mystical and has much to offer in the position as leader. Plus, her voice always seemed to be worthy of that of a leader worth respecting -- commanding and demanding, with no exceptions! (Not to mention, less annoying than Catra's )

[Sky Breaker]

Threads like these make me wish that there was more MOTU/POP media, specifically adult media. By the goofy comic relief standards that Filmation had set, Catra was a more than a competent goon. She did not shy away from battle, and was capable of orchestrating her own schemes.

In a new cartoon incarnation, Catra seems to work as a versatile and powerful warrior. Is not hard to picture her as a dangerous blood thirsty vixen, commanding an army of robotic troopers as snipes rebels from a distance with a powerful blaster. From her position on the battlefield, she is almost untouchable, and should some rebel manage to break through her defense, or attempt an ambush, Catra does not run from battle. She lowers he mask, transforms into a ferocious, armored, 200 poud feline and tears her fool-hearty attacker to shreds. She is defiantly leadership material.

I would actually like to see Shadoweaver as an aloof, reclusive character who reluctantly aides the Horde. She is so obsessed with her dark magics and the mastery over forces beyond imagination, she has to be coaxed away from her study to even bother directly attacking the rebels, as she feels only through mastering the black arts can Castle Brightmoon be destroyed, the Horde are just a distraction until she exacts her master plan.