It's "Great Rebellion", not "POP"

[mykan]

There seems to be a lot of blurriness when it comes to POP. Some fans, and even Toy Guru himself, consider the Horde a part of POP - likely because of the cartoon. I guess they're not WRONG per se. All I know is that as a kid, if I wanted to get Hordak, I had to go to the boys isle and look for the red and blue Masters of the Universe packaging. If I wanted to admire Glimmer, Angella, Double Trouble and company, I had to go to the girls isle and look for the pink and purple Princess of Power packaging. It seemed pretty clear to me who was who. But I have my parameters, others have theirs.

IS Catra POP or Horde? IS Shadow Weaver POP or Horde? Well, they could be BOTH. The great thing about MOTUC is that all of those awesome vintage properties are being combined into one unified brand. The GRANDNESS of MOTUC is beginning to overshadow many other properties. Transformers seems stagnant in comparison - as it just seems that Hasbro can't seem to spread the brand past 10 or so top characters. How many Optimus Primes and Bumblebees do we really need?

I digress: to clear up the confusion, perhaps GREAT REBELLION be used to differentiate She-Ra's faction. We know that Catra and her variants well be labeled Horde, and Entrapta too. When most POP fans discuss POP, they're really discussing GREAT REBELLION characters, since the POP toy line was for the most part GREAT REBELLION. New Adventures was broken up into two factions: Galactic Protectors and Space Mutants. Both factions had unique logos designed for them. The same should have been done for POP - the two factions SHOULD be Great Rebellion and Evil Horde. This would help cut down on the confusion and blurriness, especially now that you'll have a figure that can fit into 3 or so categories: POP, Horde AND Filmation.

[Zodach]

You're not going to get any traction against POP which has become engrained in the fan community over the last 25+ years.

[force Capt.]

Cool idea. It would be a nice idea to have that logo added to future sticker sheets so people can decide how to devide up their factions.

[Darkspecter]

Cool label! I know I will be very careful and express I would like more Great Rebellion figures! We might end up getting Sea Hawk and the Twiggets then, but that would be okay. I really want them too!

[Stratos*Major]

I think for POP fans who are also fans of MOTUC understand.

I agree. I think this has come up somewhere else too...

As a POP fan in MOTUC I speak of Great Rebellion. Characters that had vintage dolls in point. I want to see them made first into MOTUC figures (more of I should say).

[Jon-O]

This might sound radical, but I consider the Horde part of POP. Heroic and Evil Warriors are classic MOTU, while The Great Rebellion and The Evil Horde are POP. Same way The Galactic Guardians/Protectors and Space Mutants are NA. Factions within the branch of the mythos.

[Darkspecter]

This might sound radical, but I consider the Horde part of POP. Heroic and Evil Warriors are classic MOTU, while The Great Rebellion and The Evil Horde are POP. Same way The Galactic Guardians/Protectors and Space Mutants are NA. Factions within the branch of the mythos.

But what about Horde characters like Mosquitor and Dragstor: figures in MOTU lines and ONLY appeared in MOTU media?

[mykan]

You're not going to get any traction against POP which has become engrained in the fan community over the last 25+ years.

I beg to differ. Many of us have already decided to make the switch - which is why I designed this logo. Of course, you have a point when it comes to Mattel - that's a bigger beast to tackle. I'm simply reaching out to fans, and suggesting they use "Great Rebellion" in their queries and comments to clearly communicate what they want. I know that when asking Toy Guru questions regarding POP ratios, his answer clearly told me that his definition of POP was totally different from mine, and many other fans. I just want to help make communication clearer.

[He-Dad]

But what about Horde characters like Mosquitor and Dragstor: figures in MOTU lines and ONLY appeared in MOTU media?

Had the She-Ra cartoon continued Mosquitor and Dragstor would have been featured I'm sure. The Horde was always meant for PoP....just packaged the way they were figuring a monster looking figure wouldn't sell well to little girls, even if it was packaged in pink and purple

[shadowfall1976]

Princess of Power is the first place many of those characters appeared, only reason the Horde was in MOTU packages, is because they were planned before they were taken for use by Filmation, which is the only place She-Ra appears officially, unlike He-Man, She-Ra was a Filmation Spin Off for girls mostly, figures that otherwise would have went to the MOTU cartoon were taken to use on the show.

The Great Rebellion is the Masters of the She-Ra world, the Horde is the Skeletor Baddies of She-Ra, therefore regardless where the figures originated, they all are POP characters, only a few went to MOTU for an episode or so.

The Great Rebellion is POP, it's She-Ra's friends and allies, so Great Rebellion / POP who really cares, they are all POP characters, from the POP cartoon.
The Evil Horde is POP, even though they are consisdered vintage MOTU figures, they were the main baddies of the cartoon.

But I do get that the figures on the good side, should come with the stickers so you can choose, regardless....POP is The Great Rebellion, and The Horde is The Horde, just take it that way....it's not likely to change. But I can see there is a fine line....

Thing is, more people want the Good POP characters (The Great Rebellion), and don't care that the Horde is considered by Mattel as POP....I can see that, but I also can see all of them lumped together as POP, technically, they are. I don't care much about POP, so I can see both sides of the Argument.

I want Castaspella and a few others, I never watched POP, but the animation models look nice, and I wouldn't mind adding them to my collection, but I don't need them, aside from Filmation Hordak, Dragstor & Mantenna, I don't even care about the Horde, I had the last 2 as a kid, and want them, but otherwise....I'll buy what looks nice to my eyes.

[slackrguy]

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...8&d=1337566839

I really like the logo you made. If PoP wasn't already cemented in it would make a super great alternative. I wonder if Matty would ever consider changing PoP to Great Rebellion? It actually has more crossover appeal as a title, imho.

[mykan]

This might sound radical, but I consider the Horde part of POP. Heroic and Evil Warriors are classic MOTU, while The Great Rebellion and The Evil Horde are POP. Same way The Galactic Guardians/Protectors and Space Mutants are NA. Factions within the branch of the mythos.

Not radical at all, Jon-O. It just goes with my point of how different people have different definitions - and that's OK. Factions within the mythos make sense. I just don't think things were fully thought out when it came to POP in MOTUC, due to all sorts of blurriness and confusion from the get-go.

[Jon-O]

But what about Horde characters like Mosquitor and Dragstor: figures in MOTU lines and ONLY appeared in MOTU media?

Crossover characters, like most of The Horde. They were perfect to guest star.

Not radical at all, Jon-O. It just goes with my point of how different people have different definitions - and that's OK. Factions within the mythos make sense. I just don't think things were fully thought out when it came to POP in MOTUC, due to all sorts of blurriness and confusion from the get-go.

Likely the case, with the way the show and characters came about.

[mykan]

Princess of Power is the first place many of those characters appeared, only reason the Horde was in MOTU packages, is because they were planned before they were taken for use by Filmation, which is the only place She-Ra appears officially, unlike He-Man, She-Ra was a Filmation Spin Off for girls mostly, figures that otherwise would have went to the MOTU cartoon were taken to use on the show.

The Great Rebellion is the Masters of the She-Ra world, the Horde is the Skeletor Baddies of She-Ra, therefore regardless where the figures originated, they all are POP characters, only a few went to MOTU for an episode or so.

The Great Rebellion is POP, it's She-Ra's friends and allies, so Great Rebellion / POP who really cares, they are all POP characters, from the POP cartoon.
The Evil Horde is POP, even though they are consisdered vintage MOTU figures, they were the main baddies of the cartoon.

But I do get that the figures on the good side, should come with the stickers so you can choose, regardless....POP is The Great Rebellion, and The Horde is The Horde, just take it that way....it's not likely to change. But I can see there is a fine line....

Thing is, more people want the Good POP characters (The Great Rebellion), and don't care that the Horde is considered by Mattel as POP....I can see that, but I also can see all of them lumped together as POP, technically, they are. I don't care much about POP, so I can see both sides of the Argument.

I want Castaspella and a few others, I never watched POP, but the animation models look nice, and I wouldn't mind adding them to my collection, but I don't need them, aside from Filmation Hordak, Dragstor & Mantenna, I don't even care about the Horde, I had the last 2 as a kid, and want them, but otherwise....I'll buy what looks nice to my eyes.

As you say - since She-Ra and Hordak's factions can BOTH be considered POP - it becomes necessary to differentiate She-Ra's faction with a unique title.

There are some fans/collectors who would ignore POP and render the Horde as just another MOTU faction. Admittedly, I myself am only recently accepting the possibility that the Evil Horde can be considered POP. Though they were on the cartoon together, I wasn't allowed to collect POP as a kid, and so I re-enacted what I saw in the mini comics. Also, the fact that the packaging that all the characters came in was so disparate, I came to the conclusion that they weren't meant to go together. Believe me, I was fascinatingly confused - I loved the cartoon, mini comics AND of course the toys...

Some folks grew up without the cartoon, and only had the mini comics to go by. If you go by the mini comics, the Evil Horde had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with POP, conversely the Horde is only referenced twice in the POP mini comics. So it really depends on the source material that each fan/collector adheres to. Ultimately, MOTU, POP and NA all have good and evil factions. MOTU has Heroic Warriors and Evil Warriors (ALL are Masters in my book), POP has Great Rebellion and Evil Horde, and NA has Galactic Protectors and Space Mutants.

[nicholighkun]

I think it would be a very good idea to categorize characters by faction, and not by a name that can be an umbrella statment for so many things, like POP, and to a much lesser degree, NA. By that standard the Galactic Guardians are the lamest duck in the pond, followed closely by the Mutants and the Great Rebellion as I recon them (minus the Star Sisters). I understand that POP isn't exactly recieving a heroes welcome in MOTUC, but NA being a personal affinity of mine, I have to lean more toward bringing representation to it. The Great Rebellion needs to be repped too though, no doubt. The GR, the GG, and the Mutants are the only factions without their leaders, if you count Glimmer as the GR leader, which I think is an accurate statment (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm getting a little tired of waiting for Flogg, and to a much lesser extent, Hydron. Glimmer would be a good start though.

[mykan]

I think it would be a very good idea to categorize characters by faction, and not by a name that can be an umbrella statment for so many things, like POP, and to a much lesser degree, NA. By that standard the Galactic Guardians are the lamest duck in the pond, followed closely by the Mutants and the Great Rebellion as I recon them (minus the Star Sisters). I understand that POP isn't exactly recieving a heroes welcome in MOTUC, but NA being a personal affinity of mine, I have to lean more toward bringing representation to it. The Great Rebellion needs to be repped too though, no doubt. The GR, the GG, and the Mutants are the only factions without their leaders, if you count Glimmer as the GR leader, which I think is an accurate statment (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm getting a little tired of waiting for Flogg, and to a much lesser extent, Hydron. Glimmer would be a good start though.

You're not wrong. I'd say Glimmer is ONE of the leaders - she's part of the Command structure for sure. And I'm itching for Darius, Flogg, Hydron, Crita and Mara - with the mace ponytail.

[Delthaindia]

it's a nice idea but I think everyone can choose where to place them as they prefer. I consider Snout Spout and Extendar part of the Great Rebellion but again, its just how I picture that (there are also other big changes in my personal timeline and they're really weird for a hardline fan )

Do you guys know if the future filmation AF will have a new sticker on the package?

[He-Boy]

I think the biggest problem is that the line between line and faction have been blurred. She-Ra belongs to POP but is a part of the Great Rebellion.

Unfortunately, MOTUC has both POP (line) and Horde (faction) stickers on their packaging and they mean different things, which is why there is 'confusion'. Someone like Hordak could be considered MOTU, Horde or POP. Back in the day he was a part of the MOTU line, had a Horde faction sticker and appeared on the POP cartoon.

Personally, I have no interest in establishing the Great Rebellion as a brand. The only purpose it would serve would be to help wage the war against other lines and/or factions in MOTUC.

[PrinceAdam101]

I'm totally down with this line of thinking.

The Great Rebellion is a faction with too few members, still. At least, it seems that way when you consider how many the team could have.

The Beauties

GLIMMER
CASTASPELLA
ANGELLA
MERMISTA
DOUBLE TROUBLE
PEEKABLUE
SWEET BEE
PERFUMA
FLUTTERINA
SPINERELLA
NETOSSA

The Rebel Boys

SEA HAWK
JOSH
CRIMSON FURY
SUNDER (formerly General Sunder of the Horde)
KING MICAH
THE RED KNIGHT

Other Crucial or Memorable Rebellion Members

MADAME RAZZ
BROOM
*THE TWIGGETS
HUNTARA
KOWL
LOOKEE
LIGHT HOPE
THE WIZARDESS
THE SEERESS

And there are even more legit members of the faction via Filmation and comic appearances. The GREAT REBELLION should be a tremendous and diverse faction! As the above list shows, the variety certainly rises above anyone's simple description of the Rebellion being a bunch of shampoo commercials gals.

[Stratos*Major]

MOTUC NEEDS General Sunder!

[Tribal Spaceman]

You're not going to get any traction against POP which has become engrained in the fan community over the last 25+ years.

Well of course, "POP" isn't going to go anywhere. People just need to understand that it's an umbrella term for She-Ra's adventures, and not a faction in it's own right like Snake Men, Horde or Heroic Warriors. Hopefully from 2013 onwards MOTUC will treat the rebels like the major characters they are, and not just a guest spot in a He-Man orientated toy line.

[Veebs]

MOTUC NEEDS General Sunder!

Yer darn tootin'.

[Swanmarsh]

I can understand the desire to differentiate between Great Rebellion characters and Horde characters in seeking to vocalise fan support for certain characters ... but I quite like the nostalgic POP logo appearing on the cards of POP figures and would hate to lose it.

It makes sense for She-Ra's faction to be called the POP - both She-Ra/Adora and Glimmer are princesses of Power, and in a way Queen Angella was once also.

The 'Great Rebellion' logo (above) just doesn't have the same impact for my mind.

Every fan will have their own perspective on where the Horde fits in the MOTU-POP continuum based on their individual exposure to the property. I had very little (almost none) exposure to the POP cartoon as a kid so my MOTU world is shaped by the mini-comics, MOTU Golden Books and Filmation MOTU toon. In that, the Evil Horde warriors are an MOTU faction, Catra is a POP villain.

Having much greater exposure to the POP world now that as an adult I own the DVD box sets, I clearly view Horde members such as Catra, Shadow Weaver, Scorpia, Octavia and Horde Prime as POP properties - because that is almost solely where they are featured. The concept of an overpowering Horde Prime and bungling Hordak does not sit well with mini-comics MOTU Hordak/Horde. It makes sense for these characters to have the Horde faction logo on their box. But it also is reasonable for people, including Mattel management, to associate such figures with the POP property.

I think the concern of POP fans at the lack of Great Rebellion figures will ease soon with the release of Frosta and what I am sure in 2013 will be a significant number of vintage POP figures (other than Scorpia and Octavia there are very few other figures from POP toon as prominent and easy to tool as the 80s POP figures). What will likely remain a disappointment for POP toy fans is the selection by Mattel/4H that toon look as more iconic than 80s toy look when put through the Classicizer machine.

So for what it's worth, I cast a vote to retain the POP logo and as definition for our favorite warrior gals of Etheria.

[Jukka]

In future Q&A's, I'll refer to the GREAT REBELLION instead of POP so Mattel will answer about that group.

[Adam_Prince of Eternia]

How are you qualifying the "Great Rebellion"? Are you only including those inside the Rebel encampment fortified by the magic of the Whispering Woods or are you also including sympathizers and allies in the Horde-occupied kingdoms? How would you classify Ahgo, King of the Trolls of Spikeheart, who has, on occasion, aided She-Ra and the Rebels, but is not a member of the Great Rebellion? How would you classify Hunga, the Queen of the Harpies, who has, on occasion, allied herself with the Horde, but is not an actual member? I do not think the distinction of separate factions from the Princess of Power umbrella really holds up.