Why we had an Avengers movie before a Justice League movie ?

[JonWes]

I think it's also harder to pin down who the main characters of Marvel are. At one point, it was the Fantastic Four. Then the X-men were pretty much the stars of Marvel through most of the 90s. Now, I think you could argue that the Avengers are. If I were to list the biggest names at Marvel classically, it'd be Spider-man, Hulk, Wolverine and Captain America. These seem to be the most iconic. Almost as iconic would be Thor, Iron Man and the Fantastic Four. After this, you'd have the X-men in general. That's how I would have listed them before. But I'd say Iron Man is probably right up there with the first four thanks to the movies.

So in my mind Avengers has 2 of the 4 big guns in Marveldom. And the movies have basically made Iron Man a big gun too. Which as a lifelong Iron Man fan is a real thrill. I always knew he was great.

Interestingly enough, Spider-Man and Wolverine are both Avengers in the comics, of course. I know Andrew Garfield said he wanted to be Spider-man in the next Avengers movie. I think it'd be awesome if he and Jackman would do a cameo some time at least if they could work it out with the studios. My dream is that one day Marvel could coordinate a cross-studio production of Infinity Gauntlet.

[wyldman11]

I guess would be a challenge to make a movie of Justice League and this does not become "the adventures of batman and superman", the main characters from DC are very important, for some reason the main characters of MARVEL is not part of the Avengers.

Oddly Wolverine and Spider-man are both present in some form in the current Avengers comics or have been. Granted they never quite took the center stage in it like Wolverine did in the X-men movies. The Justice League Cartoon, and animated movies are a pretty good example of not focusing on just one character though.

[13977]

No. I disagree with this.

If anything, Marvel Studios has proven that you don't need to make characters dark and edgy, and you don't have to ground things and make them seem more realistc.

Marvel Studios did with Avengers what I've always wanted to see in a comic book movie: they made it look like a comic book.

They aren't afraid to give us characters from other places that are considered gods. They aren't afraid to do the cosmic stuff. All of this made it actually feel like a comic book.

IMO, I think every studio who plans to do a super hero movie from here on out needs to learn from this. We don't need things to be "realistic." We don't need silly explanations for how something liek this could happen in the real world. We don't need dark and moody scenary with depressed heroes.

We need more comic book movies to feel like comic books.

As our friend Eamon would say "embrace the source material"

[MegaGearMax]

I think it's also harder to pin down who the main characters of Marvel are. At one point, it was the Fantastic Four. Then the X-men were pretty much the stars of Marvel through most of the 90s. Now, I think you could argue that the Avengers are. If I were to list the biggest names at Marvel classically, it'd be Spider-man, Hulk, Wolverine and Captain America. These seem to be the most iconic. Almost as iconic would be Thor, Iron Man and the Fantastic Four. After this, you'd have the X-men in general. That's how I would have listed them before. But I'd say Iron Man is probably right up there with the first four thanks to the movies.

So in my mind Avengers has 2 of the 4 big guns in Marveldom. And the movies have basically made Iron Man a big gun too. Which as a lifelong Iron Man fan is a real thrill. I always knew he was great.

Interestingly enough, Spider-Man and Wolverine are both Avengers in the comics, of course. I know Andrew Garfield said he wanted to be Spider-man in the next Avengers movie. I think it'd be awesome if he and Jackman would do a cameo some time at least if they could work it out with the studios. My dream is that one day Marvel could coordinate a cross-studio production of Infinity Gauntlet.

I think Spider-Man, The Hulk and Captain America were the biggest household Marvel characters (maybe the FF was big in the 70's, I don't remember the 70's too much). After 2000, Wolverine was known in households. Then Iron Man blew up in recent years in comics AND movies. Now I think you could make a case for Thor being a top character too.

[wyldman11]

Some have been big at times, remember Thor, Iron Man and a few others had cartoons back in the 60s/70s. X-men weren't big till Wolverine was introduced in the late 70s. The Hulk much like Wonder Woman has rode on the popularity of their live action shows.

So many characters have had waxing and waning popularity. Some have that iconic style popularity everyone knows who they are, can recognize them but that's about it.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Geoff Johns wrote the GL script, having been on the GL books for years...(maybe he was the exception to that rule) Though it still turned out pretty crappy...

The work Johns did on the GL movie was like when McCoy was trying to save the Klingon Ambassador David Warner in Star Trek VI. It was too far gone for him to save.

To me, the biggest name in the Avengers film was and remains the Hulk. And for some reason, maybe because he was the best character in the film, the Hulk's performance was the most memorable. Whether it was Ruffalo as the time-bomb Banner or the rampaging Hulk he was the best thing about that film IMHO.

[Agent Gibbs]

No. I disagree with this.

If anything, Marvel Studios has proven that you don't need to make characters dark and edgy, and you don't have to ground things and make them seem more realistc.

Marvel Studios did with Avengers what I've always wanted to see in a comic book movie: they made it look like a comic book.

They aren't afraid to give us characters from other places that are considered gods. They aren't afraid to do the cosmic stuff. All of this made it actually feel like a comic book.

IMO, I think every studio who plans to do a super hero movie from here on out needs to learn from this. We don't need things to be "realistic." We don't need silly explanations for how something liek this could happen in the real world. We don't need dark and moody scenary with depressed heroes.

We need more comic book movies to feel like comic books.

Well said Dan! Comic book hero movies don't need to be steeped in realism and really shouldn't be to realistic as they just aren't

I know some people want them to be mega realistic, i know on a games forum i go on, one member thinks Avengers was terrible as it didn't have more adult themes in its dialogue, addressing such issues as (and i quote)

- Masculinity and femininity / male vs. female
- Myth / reality, utopia, deism
- War
- Military as a form of operation/government
- Change since 1940s, or lack of it
- Mind control, loss of control over your own actions, what it means to have agency / humanity [this could have been done nicely if Hawkeye had had a conversation with Bruce Banner]
- Capitalism, and its interaction with war/military/government
etc etc

and also complained that it failed the Bechdel test.....

its these sort of expectations, and these sort of things that studio's badly shoe horn into comic book based movies that often make them fail.

[wyldman11]

I love how everything is supposed to pass the Bechdel test, yet the creator says not everything has to or should.

[Agent Gibbs]

I love how everything is supposed to pass the Bechdel test, yet the creator says not everything has to or should.

yeah i know its a silly test as it cannot apply to all movies, As i'm sure you can imagine people have completely disagreed with that members stance on having extra dialogue and bits put in so Avengers could tackle issues....

[mbaker]

Heck even your despised Twilight could fall under female lead.

Not a statement on quality but on popularity.

She was going to see Mr. Plots, but apparently, she got into A huge, ugly fight with Edward, and are now scheduled for 'domestic abuse' counseling. This won't end well.

I think Spider-Man, The Hulk and Captain America were the biggest household Marvel characters (maybe the FF was big in the 70's, I don't remember the 70's too much). After 2000, Wolverine was known in households. Then Iron Man blew up in recent years in comics AND movies. Now I think you could make a case for Thor being a top character too.

Spidey has always been A household name due to his strong 'mascot' like presence in cartoons, movies, video games, merchandising, ect. Probably the most well known of Marvel's heroes.

[wyldman11]

She was going to see Mr. Plots, but she got into A fight with Edward, and are now scheduled for 'domestic abuse' counseling. So much for 'strong female leads'.
Spidey has always been A household name due to his strong 'mascot' like presence in cartoons, movies, video games, merchandising, ect. Probably the most well known of Marvel's heroes.

Neither of our original statements used strong. Warner when they made their statement didn't use strong either, they just flat out said no movies leading with a female strong, weak, mild, or caliente.