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    This ends speculation on the sub exclusive issue

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    Posted June 13, 2012 08:03 AM
    I only asked Scott for CLARIFICATION because it would nip any future speculation in the bud- sorry if I was at all unclear with that.


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    I made this very clear on Roast Gooble dinner a while back. The 2013 sub figure is not a main character like Shadow Weaver. This was done in 2012 because it was the only way to get a Filmation character in time to show at SDCC 2011. Originally Horde Prime was the sub figure for 2012 because he represented a Filmation character we "could do" as he was never seen. That is also why he was briefly renamed "Horde Supreme" in some bios. Once we had full Filmation rights, doing HP was "less special" so we moved him to a monthly slot and made Shadow Weaver the sub figure (in order to have a visual at SDCC to represent Filmation rights).

    As for Ram Man, no plans to announce right now.

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    As always I appreciate Scott's time to answer this AGAIN to hopefully quell rumors to the contrary although Ram-Man NEEDS PLANS NOW LOL!

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    That strikes me as kind of odd. It's not like they need to specify a slot for a figure to display it. Throw SW out there as a "Coming Soon!" thing, let people freak out (in a positive way), and put a more obscure figure out as the exclusive.

    I'm not trying to raise the 'BS' flag on TG. It just doesn't seme like a particularly valid reason to make someone like Shadow Weaver the sub exclusive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Adam's Dad View Post
    That strikes me as kind of odd. It's not like they need to specify a slot for a figure to display it. Throw SW out there as a "Coming Soon!" thing, let people freak out (in a positive way), and put a more obscure figure out as the exclusive.

    I'm not trying to raise the 'BS' flag on TG. It just doesn't seme like a particularly valid reason to make someone like Shadow Weaver the sub exclusive.
    From everything I know about SW the reason Scott gave is how he actually went about it, whether it was popular or the "right' thing to do is neither here nor there.

    There were probably better ways to go about it, however he opted not to do those and so we got her as the Sub exclusive to emphasize the point that they acquired Filmation Rights
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    Well at least Ram-Man won't be the exclusive, and everyone will have a normal priced way to get him....I just hope they don't put him out as the SDCC exclusive at anytime, because the cartoon / toy color one is what I want, if they did and they made the cardback Rammy the exclusive exclusive, then I guess, because at least he could be gotten on Matty....But I vote no on him for any exclusive at all.

    And good thing that none of the other main guys will suffer the same fate as Shadow Weaver, and the fans to get her at a normal price, and since she was released as she was, I kind of like having her in my collection, since I got her for doing a favor for friends. I just wish that everyone had a DOS opportunity to get her for regular figure prices, seeing as how she was and is so desirable.

    Quote Originally Posted by mekaneckpain View Post
    I'll be happy to raise the BS flag. Why would Horde Prime be an incentive to anyone to buy the sub? Let's be realistic here... Shadow Weaver is a must have for MOST(not all) but most not to mention cooler looking thatn HP, Horde Prime is a "meh" figure that could be an easy skip for most since he really doesn't look like UK Horde Prime or Filmation except his hand. So it makes better business sense to make SW the sub exclusive, which they did... And I'm sure they will do it again with another figure that is a must have for the collection.
    For one it could have raised more sub sales for POP and Horde fans who never subbed up before, just like Shadow Weaver may have done for all we know. And Horde Prime is actually an awesome looking figure, but for me would have been an easy pass for the high resale prices that Shadow Weaver went for, but being a $22 figure, I am getting him, just ike had SW been the June figure, and she was $22 I'd be getting her and passing on Horde Prime, unless my friends happened to give me one like they did SW. And I kind of get why SW was done like she was, but still didn't make it right. And honestly Shadow Weaver was and still is very wanted by many, there are many still after her, but didn't want to pay the $100+ for her, and still even at $60+ some still find her hard to obtain. More wanted her than you think, I have seen more after her than most of the hard to get figures before the Black Friday sale made them available and affordable.

    Being given SW as a gift added her to my collection, whereas otherwise I never would have paid the premium for her, and honestly to me, I want Horde Prime more than her, but she has grown on me a lot since February.
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    I'll be happy to raise the BS flag. Why would Horde Prime be an incentive to anyone to buy the sub? Let's be realistic here... Shadow Weaver is a must have for MOST(not all) but most not to mention cooler looking thatn HP, Horde Prime is a "meh" figure that could be an easy skip for most since he really doesn't look like UK Horde Prime or Filmation except his hand. So it makes better business sense to make SW the sub exclusive, which they did... And I'm sure they will do it again with another figure that is a must have for the collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mekaneckpain View Post
    I'll be happy to raise the BS flag. Why would Horde Prime be an incentive to anyone to buy the sub? Let's be realistic here... Shadow Weaver is a must have for MOST(not all) but most not to mention cooler looking thatn HP, Horde Prime is a "meh" figure that could be an easy skip for most since he really doesn't look like UK Horde Prime or Filmation except his hand. So it makes better business sense to make SW the sub exclusive, which they did... And I'm sure they will do it again with another figure that is a must have for the collection.
    are you advocating for ram-man to be the sub exclusive?

    prior to this year, the sub exclusive wasn't a MUST HAVE. it was a cool to have figure. horde prime or horde supreme fits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EldestSon View Post
    are you advocating for ram-man to be the sub exclusive?

    prior to this year, the sub exclusive wasn't a MUST HAVE. it was a cool to have figure. horde prime or horde supreme fits.
    Yup especially since HP visually was either a big hand or a purple guy in the UK comics. A perfect "niche" figure to go along with Wun-Dar and Preternia He-Man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EldestSon View Post
    are you advocating for ram-man to be the sub exclusive?

    prior to this year, the sub exclusive wasn't a MUST HAVE. it was a cool to have figure. horde prime or horde supreme fits.
    No, I'm basically saying as I always do, that what the brand manager says has a probability of about 10% to actually be true information. I don't see how I'm an advocate for Ram Man to be a sub exclusive since I didn't say anything about Ram-Man. And Shadow Weaver IS a must have, unless one has no real interest in Filmation characters. Horde Prime is the 4H's interpretation of Horde Prime since he was never really shown in the cartoon. The UK HP head isn't enough to make me want to buy a sub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mekaneckpain View Post
    No, I'm basically saying as I always do, that what the brand manager says has a probability of about 10% to actually be true information. I don't see how I'm an advocate for Ram Man to be a sub exclusive since I didn't say anything about Ram-Man. And Shadow Weaver IS a must have, unless one has no real interest in Filmation characters. Horde Prime is the 4H's interpretation of Horde Prime since he was never really shown in the cartoon. The UK HP head isn't enough to make me want to buy a sub.
    The only other thing about HP was that he had that building he was in, and that is what the 4H was going by on his design, that and basing loosely his new head design on Hordak, since they are supposed to be brothers.

    I admit I know almost nothing about POP, and getting SW was not a must to me, but I have her and I like her now, and HP is just awesome looking to me....I have She-Ra, BP She-Ra & Swiftwind, and am looking forward to more of the girls, but other than looks, and where She-Ra & Hordak came from, I know hardly anything about them all.

    But being that is so, I still want HP because he just looks cool, and will look awesome next to the other recent figures in my shelves. If he didn't look so cool to me, and was coming out as his UK self, then I would have passed, and in all honesty, since he is all black and red....that UK head just doesn't make sense, they could have spent that money on paint, or his staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EldestSon View Post
    are you advocating for ram-man to be the sub exclusive?
    prior to this year, the sub exclusive wasn't a MUST HAVE. it was a cool to have figure. horde prime or horde supreme fits.
    This actually is a good case. Horde Prime/Supreme is exactly the kind of non-necessary-for-you-to-complete-your-collection figure that had been the sub exclusive previously. Now, I'm not saying that making Weaver the exclusive was JUST to make a big deal out of getting the Filmation rights, as strong arming the customers has become a Matty tradition. But I can see the reasoning TG gives as being another justification for the choice made. And, given that making Weaver the exclusive still resulted in the lowest sub sales ever, perhaps, for once, Mattel has actually learned a lesson? I would have bet the rent money on Rammy being the sub exclusive next year because, with one Matty disaster after another the past several months, including the "guarantee" of getting all the figures if you had the sub turning out to be a lie (ask all the folks who had a sub, had DR charge the wrong card, and then were told they were out of luck on Fisto by the time the incompetent blunder was straightened out), I'd expect the subs to nosedive. But it would be hard for even TG to spin his way out of this one after explicitly saying the sub figure would not be an important character like Ram Man.

    Then again, Matty said in writing that all subs purchased together in one transaction would ship together from day one, and that didn't happen, either, so I'm 100% convinced when I see a figure at SDCC with the words "Sub Exclusive" on the placard in front of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mekaneckpain View Post
    ....Horde Prime is a "meh" figure that could be an easy skip for most since he really doesn't look like UK Horde Prime or Filmation except his hand. ....
    He looks even more "meh" now that he doesn't have his staff, half of his paint apps, and seems to have the wrong waist piece...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Adam's Dad View Post
    That strikes me as kind of odd. It's not like they need to specify a slot for a figure to display it. Throw SW out there as a "Coming Soon!" thing, let people freak out (in a positive way), and put a more obscure figure out as the exclusive.

    I'm not trying to raise the 'BS' flag on TG. It just doesn't seme like a particularly valid reason to make someone like Shadow Weaver the sub exclusive.
    It wasn't a valid reason. The honest truth is he thought Filmation/She-Ra fans were gonna jump at the chance of dumping over $500 on toys, as a purpose to get Shadow Weaver in their collections. The plan backfired, so thus we have the "we needed to put her in a slot to show her at SDCC and announce Filmation rights" BS. Totally agree that she could have been a coming soon! figure, which would have helped sell the sub anyway.

    I actually asked the question that was answered on RGD, and I wasn't and never will be satified with the answer given.
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    I think Snake Armor He-Man is a good option. He is a variant like Preternian He-Man and Wun-Dar with limited tooling. And I think he is pretty demanded among fans so they could push him out without disrupting the vintage variant release schedule they have been following. He would be a solid choice IMO. But Scott's comments kind of debunk my thought process. SDCC is just toooooooooo far!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackiecats View Post
    Ditto. A very generous She-Ra fan helped me out with mine. Its those that were not so fortunate I feel p'ed off for.
    I had a friend who wanted me to sell their extra Shadow Weavers and in return, gave me one of the extras, he had 2, he bought 3 subs...for just doing him the favor. Even though at the time I didn't care if i had her or not, I do appreciate it, and as I've said before, she has grown on me a lot since.
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    The Filmation artists were very creative with many of thier designs. Even the Ghostbusters cartoon had some very uniquely styled characters. Shadow Weaver is simplified yes, but sometimes less is more. Pale skin witch, red cloak, glowing yellow eyes with a hidden face. And she hovers like an apparition. She's just so evil looking... and kinda sexy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertigoink View Post

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    The 2013 sub figure is not a main character like Shadow Weaver.

    I've said it before. And I keep on saying it.

    My guess is Eldor. I know I've said that for about 2 now going 3 yrs, ish, but I stick by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow-Ra View Post
    Shadow Weaver was a highly demanded figure, just because you didn't know who she was, doesn't mean the MOST others didn't.

    Sometimes people on here think that their knowledge on a subject is the same for everyone.
    Too many think they are the majority, and speak as if others really were behind them, well I represent my own opinion, if I happen to have the same opinion as someone else, then so be it, but I'll never claim to be a foremost expert on all subjects, but when I do know what I am talking about I will say so.

    And to my knowledge of reading through posts on here since August, I have seen MANY, that are clamoring to find a cheap SW, and many before she came out to be looking forward to her, and many still like her more than they thought at first. There hasn't been a post calling for Wun-Dar or PD He-Man to not have been sub exclusives, but I see threads and post after post about people complaining that Shadow Weaver shouldn't have been one.

    I honestly never heard of Shadow Weaver until her reveal, because I know very little about POP, other than a few main players, but even I kind wanted her after I saw her....I myself wished they kept the more pink color, but whatever, and since I've had her these few months, she has grown on me....not one of my ultimate favorites, but still a really nice figure to look at and display.

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    Actually, you do need proof. Calling someone a liar without it is slander or libel.
    People are called liars all the time, and many are, abut many are just full of it lies, harmless....but at least in Scott's case you can call him in the least....inconsistent. And unless you are accusing someone of a crime, then I really don't think anything legal will ever come into play.
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    I really think it should be a variant...maybe na skeletor.
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    You know, I'm finding this kind of funny... why is Ram-Man the golden idol? It could just as easily be Jitsu, Two-Bad, or say, Mantenna they could use? Why so much aggression about Rammy?

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    Not really new info, we have been told hold Shadow Weaver/Horde Prime went down more than once before.

    In my opinion, I'd love to see Ram Man or another important character as the sub exclusive. Great way to bring more people to the sub.

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