Reply With QuoteAll this would require TG to actually have a clue of how continuity works within a franchise which he very clearly struggles with as a "writer" at times.Originally Posted by bizzysim3
Mek with no vac, MAA not having brown boots and loin fur....I actually would have preferred that MAA have the brown, instead of going off some 30 year old card art, I don't like like SMAA, but at least he got the brown, and it looks better with the green suit & orange armor......now Mek has no vac, and they reversed Stinkors arms....come on.
SMAA got gold detail, but Stinkor couldn't get paint on his accessories, now Mek don't get vac? I just hope it's painted right to compensate.
I never understood the tool'd thing, when you're still typing the same amount of keys....just put the "e" in, heh? it looks better.
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All this would require TG to actually have a clue of how continuity works within a franchise which he very clearly struggles with as a "writer" at times.
I'm still confused on how exactly Stinkor's arms were reversed. Yes, I have seen the pictures, but there is nothing on my figure stating they are reversed, and I believe someone took their's apart and it showed the L and R were on the arms correctly, meaning they were not reversed.
It was a decision made by Rubin at Mattel's in-house design department.
The fins are supposed to be on the outside of the forearms, just like Skeletor, Zodac, Mer-Man.....the 4H designed Stinkor with the fins out....correctly, and as Vertigo said, Mattel took it upon themselves to reverse them, making them reversed and to many....wrong.
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May be I've been mistaken a bit, I tried to be ironic.
I meant that is quite unlogic to see MAAs outfit as a unique and personal thing. Its true that when he was released as a toy that was his style but then, with teh introduction to filmation and the born of royal guards (with the same outfit) it kinda changes. Especially because mattel do release royal guards with the filmation and mAAs outfit in the classics line...so i was asking, If that is his personal look, the royal guards are gonna change it after clamp champs arrives?
Here's a question.
WHO'S armor Came first? The standard palace Guard costume? Or Duncan's?
In MY mind... I see Duncan getting promoted to MAA... and THEN inventing the orange armor. As he constantly improves the armor he outfits all the guards with them. His always seems a BIT more special with it's bell's and whistles... but he IS the main inventor and outfitter of weapons for Randor.
why are we assuming he's just a glorified guard? The guards could all be watered down duncan's
Clamp Champ? I never really saw him as the 'inventor' that Duncan is/was... Even in the mini's wasn't he just described as 'Randor's Bodyguard?' he's brave... he's good at his job... but is he building wind raiders and jet sleds now??
Unless he's building the armor and outfitting the guards... then they wouldn't have a reason to dress like him.
They were the Hall of Wisdom Guards that got merged with Royal Palace Guards after Keldor's attack.
I like their appearance. It has a bit more regal look. Don't know if they are higher or lower in rank, but I
like to think they have different positions. Like escorting guests to the King and Queen. While Duncaneees patrol the borders in Eternos.
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1. So Spector travels back in time to bring Sir Laser-Lot into the future who then serves as Man-At-Arms for King He-Man... Is Clamp Champ dead and why didn't he just save poor ol' Duncan instead?
Spector can't just pull people out of time. That can lead to a paradox. Sir Laser Lot was a rare exception due to his mysterious disappearance/death. Similar to how Supergirl in that late JLU episode “Far from Home” where she goes to the future and stays there. As for Clamp Champ, his fate is yet to be revealed!
I have a real bad feeling that Sir Laser-Lot is going to end up being Clamp Champ.
Actually if you go by Filmation, Duncan was wearing some Palace Guard orange and green uniform when he was younger, like when he first found Teela, although he had on more of a shirt than armor, but it was still the same look. He wasn't always the Kings MAA you know, he had to start somewhere, and he was most likely a Palace Guard before hand, and just decided to keep the look, but make it his own.Here's a question.
WHO'S armor Came first? The standard palace Guard costume? Or Duncan's?
In MY mind... I see Duncan getting promoted to MAA... and THEN inventing the orange armor. As he constantly improves the armor he outfits all the guards with them. His always seems a BIT more special with it's bell's and whistles... but he IS the main inventor and outfitter of weapons for Randor.
why are we assuming he's just a glorified guard? The guards could all be watered down duncan's
Clamp Champ? I never really saw him as the 'inventor' that Duncan is/was... Even in the mini's wasn't he just described as 'Randor's Bodyguard?' he's brave... he's good at his job... but is he building wind raiders and jet sleds now??
Unless he's building the armor and outfitting the guards... then they wouldn't have a reason to dress like him.
And what makes Clamp Champ and SLL Men At Arms? The whole thing behind that is foremost a weapons and gadget maker, like Q....especially SLL, being pulled from the past, that would be like taking the original makers of the Commodore Computers or Atari from the 70's and pop them to the present, and say....now with the skill set and training you have from the 70's....make me a Laptop and a Playstation 3....they wouldn't know where to begin, the technology is so different 40 years later, as smart as they might be, they'd be completely lost with what they have to work with now, just being thrown into it without taking a lot of time to grow into the tech as it sits today. "Wow a computer that fits into the palm of your hand, ours takes a whole building".
You think that the original makers of 8-Tracks would know how a CD player works, just by looking at it, and even taking it apart, they'd be completely lost.
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Except Clamp Champ never existed in the Preternia time period so there's that hopefully.
No no, I understand that, but the arms themselves are labeled correctly when they are removed. They were not put together in reverse, they were molded that way, thus, they are not really reversed.
What people are saying is that design decided that the reverse direction on the fins would be the new "default" even though they are quite clearly incorrect. As a result of that decision, people call the fins "reversed".
Pretty much all vintage MotU figures that were produced in Malaysia are tricky and tend to experience long-term problems.
I dint mean that. Its coming to logic when speaking about this.Here's a question.
WHO'S armor Came first? The standard palace Guard costume? Or Duncan's?
In MY mind... I see Duncan getting promoted to MAA... and THEN inventing the orange armor. As he constantly improves the armor he outfits all the guards with them. His always seems a BIT more special with it's bell's and whistles... but he IS the main inventor and outfitter of weapons for Randor.
why are we assuming he's just a glorified guard? The guards could all be watered down duncan's
Clamp Champ? I never really saw him as the 'inventor' that Duncan is/was... Even in the mini's wasn't he just described as 'Randor's Bodyguard?' he's brave... he's good at his job... but is he building wind raiders and jet sleds now??
Unless he's building the armor and outfitting the guards... then they wouldn't have a reason to dress like him.
ok, man at arms built his own orange armor, but royal guards got the same armor, the same helmet and the same green outfit as well. so the look of this figures (after the introduction to filmation, right) is we are guards with this outfit and MAA is our commander with the same more powerful outfit. It was fine if mattel didnt put out royal guards figures but once you produced them you cannot say theat MAA look is unique. I mean, Im totally fine with that, and im not the sort of fan that is really pointy on all the little uncovered spots from bios or TG answers but man this is pretty unlogic.
its unlogic only when TG explains that is his persoanl and unique style. I sont have the urge to have all fixed in a standard canon but this is, again, pretty unlogic imho.
...but SLL is too cool to change his armorand we should be happy if the palace guards finally don't look as SLL
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I believe that Man-at-Arms, Duncan, has been ruined in the bios by sloppy storytelling and mishandling of such an important character. He was been watered down, even his code name "Man-at-Arms" is just a title anyone can have yet don't have...Fisto, Clamp Champ and now Lazy-lot are all man-at-arms to their kings. This makes Duncan very bland and it takes away from his uniqueness, with this canon. Then the whole snake thing and killing him off in such a lackluster manner was distasteful. More could have been done with this, the NA angle or leaving his fate unknown..."keep reading the bios" sorta thing.
Reading the added info TG gives in explaining plot holes and confusing tidbits in his bios is even more puzzling and just gives me a huge "SMH" to what is given as answers.
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Do you need to be a inventor to be a Man-At-Arms?
Dekker didn't appear to be. Clamp Champ might be, based on his 200X appearance with all of that gear.
I disagree. Actual military ranking is one thing, but Clamp Champ, Fisto and Laser-Lot have different abilities unto themselves and are not Duncan. I'm sure that there are other Captain of the Guards, but none are Teela.
Speaking of which, who could possibly be the new "Captain of the Guards" now that Teela is setting up shop in Grayskull? Is someone getting a promotion or will it be a new character?
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Hmm...I don't see the fact that Duncan's position was filled by someone else somehow watering him down. That's like saying Randor is watered down because Miro exists. Plenty of kings before, plenty of kings before. Same with Man-At-Arm's position and Teela's position as captain of the guard.
As for whether a M-A-A needs to be an inventor... I doubt it. He seems to be the person in charge of the armory of weapons, certainly, but you could do that without being the inventor. Strictly speaking, the term Man-At-Arms just means a heavily armed (and usually mounted, I think) soldier. So clearly the term is used differently on Eternia any way.
Hmm...I don't see the fact that Duncan's position was filled by someone else somehow watering him down. That's like saying Randor is watered down because Miro exists. Plenty of kings before, plenty of kings before. Same with Man-At-Arm's position and Teela's position as captain of the guard.
As for whether a M-A-A needs to be an inventor... I doubt it. He seems to be the person in charge of the armory of weapons, certainly, but you could do that without being the inventor. Strictly speaking, the term Man-At-Arms just means a heavily armed (and usually mounted, I think) soldier. So clearly the term is used differently on Eternia any way.
But Teela is not called "Captain of the Guards" as her code name, it's just her title. Anyone replacing her will keep their own name or have a code-name. Having hundreds of Man-at-Arms throughout Eternia's history does cheapen Duncan's role as one of many in his role and removes his uniqueness in MOTU, which others still have intact even after given this title. If Duncan was the first person to receive this title under King Randor and have all the Eternian guards in his color scheme, then he would be more original and unique but that is not the case in Classics. Duncan has as much, if not more unique abilities than Fisto and Clamp Champ as a master strategist, mechanic, trainer and inventor. My take on this situation would be that Clamp Champ should have been given a different title after Skeletor's reign, Fisto should've never been a man-at-arms to begin with and SLL be the new captain of the guard or "agents" now under King He-Man.
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Man-At-Arms is probably not an outright code name either, but since we all know Duncan as MAA, it stuck. If Mattel were to revise the official names and descriptions, instead of "Man-At-Arms-Heroic Master of Weapons", we might have "Duncan--Heroic Man-At-Arms of King Randor". It's akin to 200X changing Teela's official tagline from "Warrior Goddess" to the "Heroic Captain of the Guard".
That's actually a legitimate statement....but SLL is too cool to change his armor
he's not really wearing 'armor'... he's wearing ENCHANTED armor with his magic gem embedded in it... that's not easy to upgrade, and doesn't get shelved with a promotion.
Now with so many MAA in this new story line, we have to differentiate each one by adding their other name in discussions. Like the upcoming digital comic issue, who knows if it is in fact a story on Duncan, any other character who has been named as a MAA, or the whole history of men-at-arms. This is causing some confusion now with many people and I think it takes away on the character (Duncan) being the Man-at-Arms. As of late there has been no other Captain of the Guard named other than Teela but we there are at least 3 other MAA that I know of, each with their own unique tagline as well, not MAA written in them. I feel the same way about there being other "He-Men" instead of naming them Sword Protectors or Guardians, it takes away from Adam/He-Man (who is the essential He-Man) but I do understand the reason for this - mini comics He-Man, concepts.
On a side note, I do think Illumina would make a great new captain of the guard!
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Does King Miro take away from King Randor? Just wondering, using your examples.
I don't think any other MAA takes away from Duncan. He is the only one that matters. And no other figure will be called "Man-at-arms". If there's a Dekker figure, it'll be called Dekker. etc.
They were newly sculpted with the correct musculature (it's that, not the fins, that became the noticeable problem), with the slight muscle bulge at the top of the forearm facing inward as is anatomically correct. Before the molds were made, the design team SUPPOSEDLY switched them around to make the fins go the other way, which put the bulge on the outside of the arms (I'm in the crowd that believes it was simply another reversed parts mistake, and that this whole story is a pile dragon fertilizer they concocted so they didn't have to admit to another foul up). Thus, the arms ARE wrong based on the way they were originally sculpted and the basic humanoid anatomy they are supposed to represent.
As for Duncan, it was established way back in the cartoon that throughout the history of Eternia, there had always been a Man-at-Arms protecting it, so Duncan is only the latest in a very long line of Eternia's defenders. From what we've seen in both toon incarnations of MOTU, MAA is basically second in authority to the King and Queen, and the Captain of the Guard is the next rank down. As far as his armor goes, it makes sense that his would have some significant differences from the guardsmen. Due to his rank, there is likely a lot of tech that he would have access to that the average guardsman would not. For a terrestrial example, only the highest ranking officials would have any kind of access to our nuclear arsenal, rather than giving access to the button to any serviceman. In addition, some of Duncan's extra hardware may be things he himself created, and the average guard might not have the expertise or engineering background to properly used or maintain it. A simple adjustment/calibration that might be second nature to him could require three years of intense study of particle physics for anyone else to avoid accidentally creating a black hole in the middle of the palace.
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