to any it may concern
all respect to you but...
I am not buying a sub and wasting my money on figs of characters that I do not want just so you can complete your collection.
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Nice idea but it will not happen because they have to make as much money now, not later. Shareholders demand it, thus subs- guaranteed sales- happier stock holders.
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BUT!!! Like MegaGearMax posted.... [IF] we can get 2013 to go into production 2014 is being reworked as the possible last year to go out with a bang.. so 2014 will ROCK!!!
..but again. [ONLY IF 2013 goes into production]
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Not.... get..... to..... KAYO.............It is too late to make any changes to 2013.
BUT: what I am doing is reworking 2014. If we can get enough subs to get 2013 done, I will make sure that the 2014 line is reworked to include all remaining vintage figs and all the major NA and POP figures (we might not get to Kayo if you will...).
First step is ensureing 2013 works. Then I will rework 2014 so that if that winds up being the last year, at least we will go out with a bang. It doesn't mean we couldn't still get to a 2015 (if support is there) but I am no longer going to follow the 2016 roadmap. I've always said what will kill the line is when the figures cost more to produce then fans are willing to pay.If the writing is on the wall, I will do all I can to ensure 2014 finishing things off.
*picks up a building and throws it at Toyguru*
Don't make me get all Mommy Dearest on you.
I've always feared I'd have to customize half of the POP gals out of what little shared parts we received in MOTUC. I don't want that fear to come true.
MOTUC wants: Modulok, Entrapta, Scorpia, Madame Razz, Sea Hawk, Spinnerella, Double Trouble, Glimmer, Angella, Sweet Bee, Mermista, Flutterina, Perfuma, Peekablue, Kowl, Loo-Kee, Huntara, Two-Bad, Extendar, Tung Lashor, Sssqueeze, Kayo, Darius, Drissi, Hydron, Sebrian, Flogg, Crita, Hoove, Staghorn, Crystoll, Quakke, Chef Allen
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If the line ends in 2014, it is because TG and Mattel killed it. Point blank murder. The whole sub debacle, disrespect for cherry pickers, and lots of characters nobody wants. They did it to themselves, and now we are the ones who will get screwed, and just as everyone predicted... the will blame this all on us!!
I'm sure more people have already subscribed to MOTUC 2013 than DCUC, but it's apples and oranges. DCUC can proceed with fewer subbers. If MOTUC doesn't meet its quota, it's either going to be canceled or they will have to revamp it to follow the DCUC pattern -- minimal new tooling on existing parts.
This is my 'unanswered' post on Ask Matty
"Well Toy 'Guru',
This is a sad day for me.
Each year you make it increasingly difficult for international customers to give you custom.
With $62 per figure, which is what I'll end up paying, I really don't think it's worth it, do you?
I've always supported you when I've heard bad comments being made, always stuck up for you. But the way you've pushed us international fans out of the line with very much an attitude of "Don't let the door hit you on the way out" - makes me think "What#s the point?"
You won't even listen to anyone's suggestion about any way which can be used to help support the line further, it's just very much an attitude of "My way, or the high way"
Some of the suggestions people have made on here have been absolute genius, but it's come to the be that you don't need to read your replies to know what the answer is.
Add all this to fact of Fairness in the Factions is a very big deal to many of us. Just because YOU don't have a connection with POP or NA, doesn't mean the rest of us don't.
Why bring out the Fighting Foe Men? Seriously, I'd like to know what the logic behind this was. Did you not learn your lesson from the Star Sisters? And now you want to charge $15 more??
Why not release a 3-pack of characters who are established?
Mermista, Octavia, Sea-Hawk 3-pack?
Hydron, Karatti, Spinwitt 3-pack?
It marks a checklist, gets the characters out quicker and gives people what they want.
This is meant to be an all encompassing line, it really isn't. It's MOTU vintage, with the odd POP and NA. Looking at my shelf there is more Concept characters than POP and NA, how does that work?
And no, I don't count the Star Sisters, they are concept characters, not POP.
I also don't count the Horde, Mosquitor is the Horde, not POP, don't try to make out like they are, you know they aren't.
Saying all this, I do like the product that comes out, i just wish you were doing this for us, the fans, who pay for it, rather than your own childhood fantasies. This isn't about what YOU want, it's about what WE want, after-all, we're the one's paying for it.
I'd really like to know how sub sales are going? You said that Mattel could lose over 50% of subscribers and be fine, I think you'll get to test that theory.
I would change my mind about buying a sub if you could come up with an ACTUAL low-cost shipping option that would guarantee my figures, I can wait longer than the 4-6 weeks that we wait now if it means we get our PAID for product.
When you say "If your product gets lost, we will NOT refund or replace it", did you come up with that on your own or did you have help? Here in the UK, that is illegal and with the product coming onto the UK soil, I'm sure we could find a way to get our money back.
would it be the same for you if i said "How about you send us the product and we pay for it IF we receive it?" ... NO?, thought not.
I really am disappointed in you Scott, I really am.
I hope you change the shipping option to help out the international customers.
But if not, good luck with rest of the line, I just can't take that chance"
"Skeletor to King Randor, Skeletor to King Randor, come in you Royal Boob!"
Mattel is basically playing it this way... If you don't buy the figures under our terms, we just won't make them anymore. Isn't that a great marketing strategy?
Frosta, Mer-Man and the Blue Roton driver walk into an Eternian Bar.
Frosta asks the bartender, The Mighty Spector, for a white wine spritzer, to which he replies
"That will be $40 plus international shipping"
I do not understand some of your posts considering that we are talking about the potential end of the line in this thread.
This is not the time for a "let's wait and see" attitude. This is the time to buy the sub if you want this line to continue and get the figures you want.
Awesome sticker included!
(Sorry, Skeletortilla, I couldn't resist! )
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GozzoMan, Heroic Cherry Picker
i find the attitude of "Sub or Die" to be troublesome. Many folks are looking down on what they call "cherry pickers" as some kind of subhuman fan that they are subsidizing as Subscribers. This is the wrong attitude, as we are all fans. We are all here because we love the IP. However, folks have to balance that love with other factors in their life, so some of us can only afford to get the figures we really want (and some have to pick a fav and lose out on another they want due to financial factors) and can't afford to eat the figures we don't care about. But complaining about cherry pickers would be just like Loose collectors complaining about subsidizing MOC collectors because the cost of all the pretty packaging is spread over all purchasers. I mean, really, i would be just as happy with my MOTUC coming in a plastic baggie inside of a minimalist cardboard box, but i'm not out there railing against MOC collectors...
I guess I just don't get the grief...
Can we-pretty please with cherries on top (no pun intended) be rational about the situation?
1. Mattel is in business to generate profit, not to indulge our nostalgia. Whether we like it or not, that's how commerce works. They do not turn a profit by intentionally running a line into the ground. Suggestions that this is the case are absurd, and remove any credibility from an argument. I strongly oppose a sub-only structure. However, if that's what it takes to maximize the profitability of the line (and thereby keep it going another few years), then so be it.
2. Be mad about Digital River. I agree wholeheartedly. If you want to pin an element of the line's "premature end" on anything, this is your target. And yes, this was all ultimately Mattel's doing. This is totally fair.
3. Please stop ignoring the elephant in the room-this is no longer 2008/2009. The economy is in the toilet. Luxury items are the first things to go. A monthly MOTUC payment could part of a rent payment. Or books for a college class. Or money put away for christmas presents for your kids. Times are hard for a lot of people. This can't be ignored.
4. Like I said earlier, variants/obscure characters/prototypes/oversized figures were great (and requested). Were great. When the line was thriving. MOTUC overextended itself. TG has accepted the fact that the line needed to change, and is making changes to the 2014 lineup. I don't like a lot of what he has done, but the guy is trying.
5. Can we all please stop acting like petulant children? If the line is winding down, there are certainly causes. Sure, 20/20 hindsight states that things could have been done differently. But needing to assign blame and lash out over it is very unbecoming. Jesus, go punch a pillow or eat a pint of ice cream or something.
Sadly, you can't divorce emotion from a toyline based on nostalgia.
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dang TG, show some patience. The price went UP, and everyone just got back from comic con. Just because people havent subbed up "yet" dosent mean they WONT. I get paid again at the end of July, thats when IM PLANNING to buy my sub. Gotta give people a lil bit of time here brotha. Man what a difference a week makes huh? Last Friday we were all happy and excited. This Friday we are worried and wondering if we will even see new figs in 2013!
Gotta love toy collecting!
GOAT MAN for MOTUC IN 2013... please... c'mon... pretty please?
Why is the Guru Pushing the Panic button so quickly!! I mean it is so early I havent ordered my Sub yet but I plan on it, We had until Aug 5th right. Now we have to have Fast Sell outs of the Sub too? I can see telling people the "Truth" or using Scare Tactics if there was only a couple of days left? I just dont see how all his doom and gloom is helping at this point.
Last edited by Detective Lubic; July 20, 2012 at 01:55pm.
Look, if you are a fan of the line it is unfortunately turning into all or nothing. I wish it was different, but it's not. That's the way things go sometimes. You can't walk into a house for sale and say "I only like these rooms, I'll pay for those and you keep the rest!"
If you sub, you can still sell what you don't want. I imagine the secondary market will be good.
Sometimes we have to sacrifice for things we love, and we all love MOTU. I hope people subscribe not for Mattel's benefit, or Scott's sake, but for the fan base as a whole. We really have something special with MOTUC, something a lot of us dreamed of most our lives. It would be a shame to waste this opportunity, because we may never have it again.
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