We knew a 'dramatic' price increase was coming.Originally Posted by KingRandor82
The big mistake was not to say how dramatic beforehand..had they quantified the hike a few months before people might have had some time to take the hit instead of being caught off guard by a 25% price increase..and sdcc reveals would have washed out some of the negativity.
hmmm i wouldn't be surprised if they may have looked into it at lease.
I think the prob with that is that how far in advance actual production would need to be done.
Many companies need all the factory business approved before they even think of creating art or hiring sculptors.
And the sub time for 2013 makes sense.
Summer of 2012 you plan into 2013, thats a big head start...and product turn time could be 6-9 months from sculpt to final production
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Not a threat, but definitely intended to stoke the fires of collector panic.
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Isn't it possible a lot of people are just waiting for the post-SDCC sale to buy everything at once? I seem to recall that happens every year.
I noticed that as well. I know every year its a "you have to get a sub" situation but i think this year is legit.
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If anyone is waiting for the SDCC sale then they're not very bright (Mods - this is a generalization, not a personal attack on any one member of these forums). Sub orders and product orders are not supposed to be mixed; it's always been that way. Anyone who has done so in the past usually ended up out of luck on the additional product they ordered, from what I've seen on the Matty facebook, in the Matty forums, etc.
Personally, I'm just waiting for next Friday when another paycheck comes in, and I imagine payday is what most people are waiting for.
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something I just said on the chatroom which I felt I should share here as it sums up my feelings
[wolfsfang] 9:07 pm: ppl are blaming each other
[wolfsfang] 9:08 pm: this line is tearing ppl apart
[wolfsfang] 9:08 pm: is it really worth that?
[wolfsfang] 9:08 pm: all the crap we have had to endure over the years
[wolfsfang] 9:09 pm: bad paint apps, reversed shoulders, falling apart figs, bad customer service, missing figures, no
filmation...then we have filmation, no more 200x heads...
[wolfsfang] 9:09 pm: etc
[wolfsfang] 9:09 pm: etc
[wolfsfang] 9:09 pm: etc
[wolfsfang] 9:09 pm: this entire line has been one long headache
[wolfsfang] 9:09 pm: and now ppl are blaming other orgers because the line is dying
[wolfsfang] 9:10 pm: if I wasn't an atheist I would say this line is the devil's work
[wolfsfang] 9:10 pm: because it is nothing but trouble
Ahh yes scott and his scare tactics, you all do realize that almost every figure so far released this year sans Shadow Weaver and Fisto was easy to obtain via other channels, ebay, marketplace, other forums and such? It will be no different next year, sans Ram-Man. Oh btw, another reason they raised costs too was because they are in-facr doing a more limited run on the figures and when ever you order less quantity you must increase price. It has little to do with materials and labor and oil costs. Because crude oil has actually gone down substantially in the past four months.
Strange women dressed in bird outfits guarding castles distributing swords and harnesses in no basis for a system of heroism.
After hearing back from some friends with sources, I'm more worried than ever that this is more than just Scott's usual hype. As one of those friends put it:
Take that for what it's worth. For those that can, I highly encourage you to sub and support the line.Scott is in no way saying things as a scare tactic and that if the baseline numbers aren't met it really will be the end for the line. That is NOT ********. I know there's a lot of opinions and stuff flying about, so for once I think we actually have to pay real attention to what he's saying if we want to see the line continue. This is awful.
That being said, if this line winds up getting cancelled because certain collectors can afford the sub, but can't be bothered since they'll have the ones they most want...well, let's just say that if it's going to end, then I hope it ends before Ram-Man makes it off the assembly line.
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I agree with a lot of what you are saying here, but I think it's not so much 'trouble' as it is 'passion' fueling this fire. MOTU has some incredibly passionate fans, and that passion itself is split amongst those who prefer vintage, factions only, 200x, POP, NA, completists. So it's not so much placing blame I think but just this passion in everyone coming to a boiling point. My two cents anyway.
Now that I’ve had time to let this announcement soak in, I’ve come to terms with it. I’m not shocked, mad, or depressed. I feel free. It’s like if you’re in a relationship that you don’t know why and you think about ending it but you just can’t. Then the person cheats on you. But rather than being mad or upset, you see it as the excuse you needed to just end the stupid relationship. Over the last several years, buying MOTUC has felt like being in an abusive relationship and I’m just done.
Out of everything revealed for 2013 so far, Ram Man and Jitsu are my only must haves. The only other must haves for me are Mantenna and Two Bad. Even if all 4 of those figures are released next year, it’ll still cost me less to track them down on the secondary market than commit to an entire year of figures of which most of them are not must haves for me.
Even with Mattel holding Ram Man and Jitsu over me, I just can’t give in to their strong arm tactics. I wasn’t originally planning on a 2013 sub and I’m still not giving in.
I'm free.
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you are probably correct but I was and still am annoyed that fans are blaming other fans, for whatever reason, for the line being in trouble. I just think it is a really really sad state of affairs that could lead lumps of plastic to do that to us
Wow... He had to throw that in there? Must be really desperate.
I honestly don't doubt that the cost (combined with current salaries and/or sense of job security) is why the subs are down as much as they are. I'll bet there are far more people who wanted to sub but can't afford it than there are people who can afford it but just won't buy it because they don't like the figures. I don't have numbers to back that up, but none of us do, and I don't think pointing fingers will make it all better.
As much of a motu fan that I am and anyone who knows me knows I'm a huge one. I really couldn't careless if the line goes away. I'm happy with what we got For as long as we got them. Sure there are a few figures I would've loved to get outta this line ie. lord masque, batros and other filmation characters, but if it can't continue because Matty needs us all to guarantee we're willing to pay for a years worth of figures without even knowing what all the figures are gonna be, for a pretty large sum of money considering they are toys after all, that's a tough sell. I'll admit up til this next year I always bought two subs and in 2013 I only bought one mainly because of the price increase. This line has become like a girl/boy friend that you have that if it works out awesome and if u break up, oh well.
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Only one of anybody.
After Toyguru confirming yesterday that there will be NA and PoP in 2013, I'm more inclined to buy a sub. In fact, I can definitely say I'm in. I know it was probably a given that we'd see those factions but just that small reassurance means a lot to me. 600 bucks give or take is a big leap of faith.I want to know that out of the 12 or so figs there will be some I definitely want. I'm glad we got the filmation license but I fear having more than 3 "one time villains" and "supporting side characters" in my sub. Not because I'm against those or because I don't want others to get them but I display by faction (as I remember them as a kid) and many of these would just end up in a box somewhere. That's a lot of money for an "extra" drawer.
That said, I'm in. Shaky faith notwithstanding
I just need to say: I'm waiting for my pay check to come and then I will buy a sub! Maybe others are in this boat to. No way do I want to miss out on the figures shown at SDCC.
However I do think that if they would of made the reveals more vintage, specifically MOTU heavy sub sales would be less of an issue. I'd be willing to bet on that. I'm guessing that may be why 2012 sold so many, plus having SS as the exclusive, who could be and I do consider a vintage character, helped a lot.
But who cares I'm thrilled with the new reveals and want to have an awesome 2013 with my plastic buddies.
This is the best post of this thread!
While i was reading the door bell rang, it was postal service delivering Griffin,it is always a pleasure open the box, open the figure, admire the sculpt (and they did everything right here, it really looks like mythological creature!) and put it together with the small fantastic universe that is growing on my shelf in last 4 years!Every figure is great(except that purple one, but even him have his pros) I was not a POP fan , but I became one, these ladies are all beautiful.I was not a NA fan and to tell the true I`m not one one right now but every figure they released was a good surprise all of then well translated to classics, rich in detail and surprisingly interesting. And the vintage ones, well the always bring me a memory from my childhood, from someone that is already gone and I miss that gave me a figure as a gift, the figures I couldn't have at time...and to think I never had bought a toy for myself before, in the beginning I planed to buy only He-man and Skeletor
I love the concepts too, Vikor and Demo-man are among the best figures of all, IMO.The only minus is the 30th anniversary line, but this is another story!
I know there is all the negative side, the QC issues, the bad CS, the price raise ,but you know what? To ME, is not a big deal comparing to the pleasure I get from collecting these toys, it is a nice and healthy hobby,coming here to see the reveals, the hype, the nitpicking, the anger, the factions war, the complains,it is all part of the fun and when it is over, I`ll really miss it and would be a little less sad that it only happens when the line is complete.
Oh and that is no reason for a short subscription window. Mattel,keep it open until the Power-con!
How is it that DCUC is on schedule to meet demand when it is not moving and been at the roughly 20% mark, I am being generous. and MOTUC is not on schedule? Does MOTUC require a much larger sub pool than that line? Also, that banner with Ram Man and others looks so terrible. They should've taken time to make it look professional. And none of what that banner says equates to the end of the line IMO. It comes across more along the lines of "sub up or miss the opportunity to buy the figures." Anyone else get that vibe? Or am I being wishful?
I'm sorry but if your business model depends almost exclusively on die hard all or nothing completionists then your business model needs to change. By falling back on this flawed model you're automatically building in a glass ceiling of the maximum number of subsribers you can possibly have, and with no motu show on the air and your comic line only just starting with a cough and a spurt there are no new motu fans being created. Therefore subscriber numbers can only ever go down.
I dunno about other filthy internationals but I do intend to get a sub, but the number is still up for debate.
I suspect some internationals are putting off buying a sub because they're trying work out group buys with friends like I am.
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Well said, same here.
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