There is absolutely no way we are making this minimum if we are currently at less than 50%. No way.
It is not much different than a movie premier. If they expect $60M in the opening weekend but only see $23M, they're finished and they know it. They will see sales in subsequent weeks, but a fraction of what they need.
This update is shocking.
All that must be off anyway as we're not even at 50% yet this year. Like Val said, it might be more accurate to say that subs were down closer to 80-85%.
Edit: In other words using your numbers it would be if 5000 is the min this year then last year's total was around 10000, not 7500. 70% down from last year's total would have meant at a loss of 7000 subs leaving us with 3000 subs so far for this year.
So now take the new number Scott just gave us and apply it to what you put out there...46% of 5000 is 2300 so far then. If this were last year it would have been 23% not 30% of the eventual total.
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I hate to say it but i just lost hope for the sub happening if we are that far off from the minimum. Very much hope i am wrong.
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About the numbers, to my knowledge this is what we have been told:
1) Subs were down 60-70% of where they were at this time last year. That refers to the first week or less when he made that comment. It's also from Pixel-Dan's twitter during Roast Gooble:2) We could lose 50% of the (total) 2012 subs and still hit the minimum.2013 subscription sales are about 60 - 70 percent less than last year st this time. That's the reason for his posts.
3) Subs were at 30-40% of the minimum on Sunday during Roast Gooble. They are now at 46% of the minimum.
4) The 2012 sub hit the minimum in the first two days.
So from these numbers, we can assume the sub numbers when Toyguru made comment #1 were at 30-40% of the minimum (since we hit the minimum "at that time" last year). They didn't change all that much by the time he was on Roast Gooble. Over the weekend (he did say Mattel was closed on Sunday and he was eager to see the numbers on Monday) we reached 46% of the minimum.
The key piece here is sales were down 60-70% compared to the same number of days it was on sale last year. Most people take this as 60-70% of total sales from last year. This is wrong.
Yeah, I never want to be the guy with bad news. I get it, I really do. And no one expected prices to skyrocket over the last few years. I wish it was better, but in the past we have hit the min number of sub holders for MOTU in the first 48 hours and this year we aren't even close and it has been days. If we don't hit the min, unfortunately the line may be heading out.
So if you are on the fence, time to buy a sub!
I am 100% NOT trying to strongarm anyone (or Fang man them() - that was a Filmation joke). I am just trying to tell it like it is. In the past we always hit the min very quickly. And until that happens, and because we are are so far off this year I wanted to let fans know what is happening. If you haven't gotten your sub, step up and support more MOTUC!PS- for the life of me I can't find this 60-70% quote from Toyguru other that Pixel-Dan's tweet, but I know that's what I read. Can someone find it?DC is tracking to where it was last year (which if trends continue it will be the bare min to at least go forward with the sub, I'm not sure if we will hit the "fully tool'd fig in 2014 mark"). MOTU is about 50% down from where we were at this point last year. Watchmen is its own thing but is doing about as well as DC.
So MOTU is the biggest concern right now. We usually get the bulk of sub int he first 48 hours and in the past have hit the min for MOTU in those first two days. This year, due to the price increase it has been slower.
So if you love MOTUC, the way you can vote for more figs is to buy a sub. Not a scare tactic, just the truth.
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I am curious how difficult it must be to put a meter together. The DC meter is most likely adjusted manually since it didn't move until Monday morning. It shouldn't take a lot of effort to drag and drop the asymmetrical meter from the DC page and just fill it accordingly. It is just another issue that is not being addressed really.
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This just proves how strong the movement is. Rio Blast did not get revealed so now people are Rioting With Their Wallets™. If Rio Blast was revealed at SDCC then we wouldn't be in this situation.
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Don't give up until its over. Stay the course. We still have two weeks to go and people are buying the sub everyday. Most people will get paid at the end and beginning of the month, so we have a boost coming. A lot of people are waiting to get paid, so we may pull this off.
I don't want anybody to write about how hopeless things are. It is always in the darkest moments when we see the best out of people. So let's follow the examples our heroes have given us. Keep hope going. It's not over.
I posted this elsewhere and I'll post it again and again. If the line dies, then it dies. Not quietly like a retailer line. It went out with a fight. Those of us who could, we put or money into something that we loved. There is no shame that the numbers were just not there. That was just bad luck in a bad economy. If you guys put your heart and money into this, then you have something to be proud off. You didn't let it die.
If you can, please get a sub. Forgive TG. Forgive the defective figures and remember the good ones. Do it for love of MOTU. Be the heroes you can be. We can all get the figures we want. Let's stand together.
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Is it likely that the minimum sub order went up because there will be no more day of sale stock?
Perhaps this is the missing number in the equation.
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I'm down for 6-8, +2 oversized, but NOT at an increased price. At the current levels, which would make them more affordable for those who just can't commit otherwise.
This increase talk is coming from selling less subs than they need. In the event that they do sell enough this year, reducing numbers in 2014 might be a good strategy.
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Believe me I have plenty of compassion for frustrated fans, I'm one of them. I was just saying that constantly reading all this negativity can become overwhelming, and in the end unfortunately unproductive. Whether we agree or not with Mattel's current choices they aren't going to change them.
The only choice we are left with is to support the current line as imperfect as it is, or receive nothing. If someone feels too exhausted to continue to support the line because of past negative experiences that's completely their right, and I understand. I however am going to bite the bullet and re-sub because I love MOTUC more than I hate the problems I've had collecting it. All I can hope is that enough fan's feel the same way, and the required number to move forward will be reached. I really love receiving my monthly MOTUC figures.
Yea, if you can swing it... get the sub, sell the figs u don't want, or give them to a kid you know or charity and keep the receipt for a charitable tax deduction. There are options if you really wanna keep the line alive.
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