Will subs get cancelled if 100% isn't reached???

[Darkspecter]

If they cancel this line, they will show they are very bad at business decisions. It's like JLU. They dropped the ball near the end of the line and then started Young Justice up. YJ sold terribly because the collectors already HAVE the vast majority of those characters in their JLU collections.

If they cancel MOTUC and try to sell us another MOTU line, sales will TANK because they cancelled the 200X line and MOTUC line on us. The MOTU movie will probably be coming out in 2014 as well. So, showing some good faith towards their loyal customers would make them more money in the end. Cancel the line and you lose customers for future toy lines. Not only just MOTU ones, but customers could become so turned off, they could stop collecting other...or ALL...Mattel-produced lines.

Anyway, some people were saying they were purposely waiting to sub until the very last day as a silent protest against Mattel, Digital River and all the problems we've had the last few years in MOTUC so Mattel will "wake up" and take the problems seriously. I hope that % of people will be enough.

[Eterniandreams]

If they cancel, I will not resub.
I think I will stop collecting and sell everything except for 10 figures I really like.

[DrRampageo]

All I am saying is that with all the problems and drama with this line as of late a lot of people are getting fed up. What IF they do push the deadline back and we still don't reach the number? do they push it again and again until 100% is reached? There comes a point in anything where the end is here and you have to accept it. With the giant push over the weekend (and YFM helping by matching subs) making up only what 8 or 9% increase I don,t think another week would be anything but a detriment to the line and the fan spirits on the whole. The number of people who are willing and able to sub has to be at least close to the limit or we wouldn't be having this problem to begin with. I'm not saying we should all just give up, but at the end of the day there isn't much more we can do at this point but just hope and pray the line goes forward. Even if we do "win" and get a 2013 sub, I have grave doubts about next year at this time considering things seem to have been in decline for the past few years, If we do get a heavy A lister 2014 that is going to leave many fans out in the cold for their favorite characters which will mean even less subs next year... and I for one don't want to go through this all again next July-Aug, do you?

[The All American]

If they cancel this line, they will show they are very bad at business decisions. It's like JLU. They dropped the ball near the end of the line and then started Young Justice up. YJ sold terribly because the collectors already HAVE the vast majority of those characters in their JLU collections.

If they cancel MOTUC and try to sell us another MOTU line, sales will TANK because they cancelled the 200X line and MOTUC line on us. The MOTU movie will probably be coming out in 2014 as well. So, showing some good faith towards their loyal customers would make them more money in the end. Cancel the line and you lose customers for future toy lines. Not only just MOTU ones, but customers could become so turned off, they could stop collecting other...or ALL...Mattel-produced lines.

Anyway, some people were saying they were purposely waiting to sub until the very last day as a silent protest against Mattel, Digital River and all the problems we've had the last few years in MOTUC so Mattel will "wake up" and take the problems seriously. I hope that % of people will be enough.

Minus them ever doing another Commemorative line, this is the last MOTU line I'll ever buy. I hope the last minute procrastinators save us tonight, or Mattel has enough sense to keep its loyal customers happy. Mattel, the ball is in your court.

[Scorpia]

If they cancel, I will not resub.
I think I will stop collecting and sell everything except for 10 figures I really like.

Ditto. I'd keep the POP figures and sell the rest.

[gbagok]

All I am saying is that with all the problems and drama with this line as of late a lot of people are getting fed up. What IF they do push the deadline back and we still don't reach the number? do they push it again and again until 100% is reached? There comes a point in anything where the end is here and you have to accept it. With the giant push over the weekend (and YFM helping by matching subs) making up only what 8 or 9% increase I don,t think another week would be anything but a detriment to the line and the fan spirits on the whole. The number of people who are willing and able to sub has to be at least close to the limit or we wouldn't be having this problem to begin with. I'm not saying we should all just give up, but at the end of the day there isn't much more we can do at this point but just hope and pray the line goes forward. Even if we do "win" and get a 2013 sub, I have grave doubts about next year at this time considering things seem to have been in decline for the past few years, If we do get a heavy A lister 2014 that is going to leave many fans out in the cold for their favorite characters which will mean even less subs next year... and I for one don't want to go through this all again next July-Aug, do you?

8 or 9%? We've come quite a bit further than that in one week. I don't agree that the momentum would stop, at least not enough to not make up the remaining 8% in one more. If we didn't, then I'd see your argument, but otherwise I think you're jumping the gun. I don't want to go through this next August, but I don't want the line to end then either. Do you? It's certainly your choice, but again, it'd be your choice.

[Capt_Piett]

TG said that about DCU and that sub ended at like 61% last year. He proclaimed from the mountain tops DCU was dead if it did not hit 100%. It's still here.

MOTUC will be here in 2013. Mark my words.

If I am wrong, may I reek of 1,000 Stinkors for the rest of my life.

I shall be a sad panda if the DCU sub gets axed completely as its the last gasp/grasp to obtain some of the the lower tier heros and villains in DC's stables. Hopefully if they dont reach the minimum sub threshold (which looks likely), they'll still figure out a way to release the line in some form. I need a complete Secret Six and Flash Rogues, darn it!

In regards to MOTUC, my guess is we're safe as there is no measuring tool on the Eternia sub page as there is on the DC one.

[ninjor 9]

i have not posted in a long time, but as the panic of motuc ending is here, i just had to say ,to all of you great fellow fans and collectors here on he man org , i hope to see the motuc line continue , but can it go forever ? i stopped collecting motuc about 2 years in , due to figures that i thought would just not sell and ultimatley kill the line,when i first heard of the line i was just as exited as any collector and i do consider myself a die hard collector of motu , after the let down of the 200x line , i wanted nothing more that an updated set of the masters of the universe figures , but i gave up when i started seeing the fans complaining about the most petty things , late shipping , twisted arms , misplaced eyes, crooked shoulders, and so on , these are just toys or collectibles lighten up please ,so i had planned on collecting every figure updated from the CLASSIC action figures that we all played with as kids , i collect for nostalgia not to play with them , or critisize the fingers and toes of each figure with surgical gloves ,so as i said before i have a list of 34 figures that matty has made and attempted to sell, while i also have a list of 32 of the vintage or the REAL CLASSICS that will prob never get made , i called this out years ago that the line would fail before the vintage versions were out .i also did not want to collect this 68 figure CLASSIC collection over 10 years 6 was long enough ,my idea was for the 68 original action figures to be released after that collection was complete that maybe time for a new movie release and the launch of a motu legends line with the marzos and carnivous type of figures ,if mattel offers a vintage figure sub i would buy 5 of them. if i have to pay for a she-ra or a gygor just to get the figures i want im out .so that is why the line failed for me long ago,too many wasteful slots in the line, of unpopular figures that have lost value and can be bought on auction for less than matty sold them for,i already know my view of motuc is unpopular on this forum , but i jut think it would have been a great success if they kept it simple and stuck to the basics , but all of you fans keep up the good work , noticing a crooked eyeball, or a bent fingernail , or a spec of paint out of place ,or a untrue bio or a mistake on beastmans bloodtype , or that the figure showed up 5 minutes late ,just remember we had a great thing when it started they made this line for us not kids , to me that was good enough ,and i already know some here will just go on the attack , but i wont even be reading so goodbye ,i mean good journey he-man .org

[DarthKant]

Well, Toyguru answered my question...

Me: Hi Toyguru. I read we're at 91% of the minimum sales. If we do not reach 100% by the end of the day, you're saying all the MOTUC subs will be cancelled. I'm a bit confused about this. Last year, the DC subscription only reached 62% on it's sub thermometer and that subscription was still produced. MOTUC has 30% more sales than that. Why would MOTUC need to be cancelled? If you cancel MOTUC and try selling a few figures for $15 more than 2008-2012 levels, you do realize you will lose a LOT more customers than you have with 2013's $5 price increase, right?

Toyguru: Yes, but management won't give us the resources. You have to remember that while MOTUC is a huge line for all of us (and Iinclude myself) for Mattel is is barely nickels. We just don't make money off this line and without guarateed sales getting these to go forward is difficult.

http://forums.mattycollector.com/eve...967#6941049967

So according to Toyguru Mattel is selling these Figures without profit. Yeah Right!

[DrRampageo]

8 or 9%? We've come quite a bit further than that in one week. I don't agree that the momentum would stop, at least not enough to not make up the remaining 8% in one more. If we didn't, then I'd see your argument, but otherwise I think you're jumping the gun. I don't want to go through this next August, but I don't want the line to end then either. Do you? It's certainly your choice, but again, it'd be your choice.

I was saying 8 or 9% over the weekend not overall. If its a choice between the line ending and dealing with the all double talk from mattel and TG, higher prices than we already have, less tooling/accessories/paint, and dealing with this exact situation next year? then yes I would rather the line just end now and save myself a lot of trouble. They will never get to every figure everyone wants anyway so someone will always feel like they got the shaft I love MOTU but as times goes on it seems more like a chore to buy this line than the fun time it SHOULD be.

[gbagok]

I was saying 8 or 9% over the weekend not overall. If its a choice between the line ending and dealing with the all double talk from mattel and TG, higher prices than we already have, less tooling/accessories/paint, and dealing with this exact situation next year? then yes I would rather the line just end now and save myself a lot of trouble. They will never get to every figure everyone wants anyway so someone will always feel like they got the shaft I love MOTU but as times goes on it seems more like a chore to buy this line than the fun time it SHOULD be.

But I wasn't talking overall, I meant in just one week we've come a lot further than 8%, which is all that's left. Even if we only managed to do half as well in one more week than we did last week, we'd be more than 100%. That's why I think it's too soon to say "well if we couldn't do it in 3 weeks, we couldn't do it in 4." Bull! Also, come on now, if I wanted to spare myself the things you listed I would just quit the line, not wish it would die and deprive those who don't want to quit. I wish we won't have another sub window like this again, sure, but that's not the same thing.

[Pravus Prime]

We just don't make money off this line and without guarateed sales.

And there's the problem. (No, not the spelling) The sub caused this shift in the mentality of this line from trying to sell the product to having sales without bothering to earn them. Then to make matters worse, they stopped caring about the consumer who needed to be sold on the product on a per figure basis. The so called "Cherry Pickers" may not buy everything, but due to varying tastes, a few selective consumers buy just as much, if not more than the guaranteed (I can spell it!) sub holder, but that no longer matters to MattyCollector.

If they can't sell 7% of their production run to non-sub holders, perhaps they should re-evaluate their business model.

BTW, I have no doubt that MOTUC will go through. I'm not sure how, perhaps TG will make himself out to be the grand savior of MOTUC having pled his case and gotten permission, subs will suddenly meet the minimum number, they'll trust their consumer base to buy the leftover minimum production stock ( ), or what, but it'll go through somehow.

[blackiecats]

I'm sorry but if 3 weeks isn't enough to sub (its only $25 up front!) then if you were gonna subscribe you'd have done it by now. An extension will make little difference. If it's not hit the minimum they need then we need to move on. If you genuinely cannot afford that $25 for another week or so, then I don't think your priority should be supporting this toy line.

[Darkspecter]

I'm sorry but if 3 weeks isn't enough to sub (its only $25 up front!) then if you were gonna subscribe you'd have done it by now. An extension will make little difference. If it's not hit the minimum they need then we need to move on. If you genuinely cannot afford that $25 for another week or so, then I don't think your priority should be supporting this toy line.

That's not necessarily true. There are quite a few people who subbed for DC and are saying if the DC sub gets cancelled, they will sub for MOTUC (or buy an additional MOTUC sub). They NEED to know if DC will go through or not though. This is $550 + shipping for the year we're talking about. So, if it's announced tomorrow that the DC sub was cancelled and Mattel extended the MOTUC subscription sign-up by 1-2 days, we could reach the minimum number right there! People need to know first, before buying. If customers expect DC to fall, and buy MOTUC...and both are produced, they can't afford it.

They need to know first.

[CanadaClassics]

Extensions won't help...enough people have passed on subbing...for different reasons...and that is when the line ends.

It just happens to be today.

[DrRampageo]

But I wasn't talking overall, I meant in just one week we've come a lot further than 8%, which is all that's left. Even if we only managed to do half as well in one more week than we did last week, we'd be more than 100%. That's why I think it's too soon to say "well if we couldn't do it in 3 weeks, we couldn't do it in 4." Bull! Also, come on now, if I wanted to spare myself the things you listed I would just quit the line, not wish it would die and deprive those who don't want to quit. I wish we won't have another sub window like this again, sure, but that's not the same thing.

Yes BUT I said over the weekend with a giant push and with YFM's 33 subs, so with that giant push only making up a 8 or 9% increase extending the sub period (which btw they have said numerous times they wont do) makes no sense. How is it too soon? its the day of the deadline we have all known about for weeks now. I don't "wish" the line would die, and I don't want to deprive ANYONE of anything. I do however think there is a time and place for everything including knowing when to let things go. Stomping our feet and requesting more time (and really shouldn't that be done on matty.com anyway?)isn't going to change anything, and neither is blind devotion. For people who are fed up with Mattel's handling of this line they have spoken with their wallets and not subbed, if the numbers are not there then they are not there, if the numbers are there then we have nothing to worry about. Until next year when Mattel knows they can squeeze extra subs out of people by threatening the end of the line . The past few weeks have shown what a lot of passionate fans can do when they put their mind to it, and we have seen some great things, but you know what we have also seen a lot of stuff that makes MOTUC collectors look like whiny entitled brats. If the line is ending I would prefer we all go out with our heads up high, not groveling for scraps at the feet of Mattel execs and TG. This is just My opinion, and everyone is free to form their own. I am merely stating how I feel about things

[blackiecats]

The only thing that can get us to 100% now is the anouncement that the FFM are dropped from the sub! I can honestly say, if the sub doesn't go through, then the Fighting Foe Men killed the line

[DrRampageo]

That is a little silly for those of us who are actually excited about the Fighting Foe Men.
Just because you (the royal you..not you in particular) don't like something doesn't mean everyone feels the same.
I don't care for the POP or NA characters but I wouldn't say they killed the line

aaaand now I notice the lol He-man Face....sorry my b, but there is a ton of hate for the FFM

[iumma]

Checking in for the first time today, I am SHOCKED to see we are not at 100% after this week of seemingly large amounts of people buying in. Something smells...off. Seriously. I personally would like to know how many subs need to be sold at this point to get to the 100%. Why is that have to be a secret?

[Brian Ozone]

I really believe that they sold far more then they expected. All I keep reading is how there are new subscribers.

I just can't fathom the thought that at SDCC everything was A-OK. About 48 hours later it's the end of the line. I still don't know what happened. The twlint zone man.

[blackiecats]

aaaand now I notice the lol He-man Face....sorry my b, but there is a ton of hate for the FFM

I won't deny I hate the FFM, BUT! from fan reaction over the last 3 weeks I think the fan base is divided on them at the very least. Yes there are other reasons that sub sales have died down compared to last year, such as the price increase putting off international fans, but I do believe that the FFM (maybe due to their high price for something obscure) has put many folks off (both fans and resellers)

[The All American]

I really believe that they sold far more then they expected. All I keep reading is how there are new subscribers.

I just can't fathom the thought that at SDCC everything was A-OK. About 48 hours later it's the end of the line. I still don't know what happened. The twlint zone man.

It is mind boggling. A lot of folks seem to subbing up higher just to save the line (I went from 2 to 3 for the first time).

The drop-off has to be mainly from re-sellers.

I wonder if the "bare minimum" is to justify the higher tooling this year, and the "bare minimum" is higher than previous "bare minimums". It's just hard to imagine that we hit this number in years past in the first 48 hours, and this year it took weeks. How many people really subbed in the first 48 hours in previous years?

[blackiecats]

I wonder if the "bare minimum" is to justify the higher tooling this year, and the "bare minimum" is higher than previous "bare minimums". It's just hard to imagine that we hit this number in years past in the first 48 hours, and this year it took weeks. How many people really subbed in the first 48 hours in previous years?

That could very well be the case. I mean we are getting to characters that need major tooling...

[DetectiveFork]

Imagine if there is a last minute surge before the deadline, and we got the WSOD preventing sales. That would be sadly ironic and fitting.

I could see it. lol

[shadowfall1976]

And there's the problem. (No, not the spelling) The sub caused this shift in the mentality of this line from trying to sell the product to having sales without bothering to earn them. Then to make matters worse, they stopped caring about the consumer who needed to be sold on the product on a per figure basis. The so called "Cherry Pickers" may not buy everything, but due to varying tastes, a few selective consumers buy just as much, if not more than the guaranteed (I can spell it!) sub holder, but that no longer matters to MattyCollector.

If they can't sell 7% of their production run to non-sub holders, perhaps they should re-evaluate their business model.

BTW, I have no doubt that MOTUC will go through. I'm not sure how, perhaps TG will make himself out to be the grand savior of MOTUC having pled his case and gotten permission, subs will suddenly meet the minimum number, they'll trust their consumer base to buy the leftover minimum production stock ( ), or what, but it'll go through somehow.

I know by the time the 2012 line is done I will own 18 items of the 30 offered between the 30th & regular subs, and out of sub items.

the 12 items I did not buy or want, and my reasons

Star Sisters (No real interest, and didn't have $60+ in Jan, but may buy for the clearance on BBTS)
Slush Head (Don't care for NA)
Spector (DO NOT LIKE)
SM Stands (Don't need the stands)
Griffin (Because I didn't have enough cash, or I would have)
SLL (DO NOT LIKE)

Snake Men (Would buy, but will not have enough after DBS & Mek)
Cy-Chop (DO NOT LIKE)
Dekker (No real interest in him)
Mosquitor (no interest)
Procustus (cool, but no desire to buy him)
Granamyr (Too much money)

But not buying 12 of 30, and only 7 of them were in the actual sub, I think that is a good haul for one year, for being a picker. Plus 2 of them I would have bought had I had more money at the time (Griffin & Snake Men)