I think it is pretty clear that his decision is based on the fact that by the time he got back to the people, they would have already been past saving with the "antidote".
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I think it is pretty clear that his decision is based on the fact that by the time he got back to the people, they would have already been past saving with the "antidote".
Guys maybe i read the story wrong but there is actually no sign of the cure "working" duncun is giving his "a king needs to think of the big picture speech" when the beast he is meant to have cured attacks him...
Thats why Randor cuts them off, (at least how i took it) there is no working cure
As for this being dark... i can see how people would think that, i really do, if your a big motu fan but not a comics guy this is dark stuff... However this is part of mainstream comics market, It is for the most part a very average book in terms of violence and themes, sure there are some lighter books and some alot worse but this is just a very average comic, hell read mike costa's (the writer of this story) gijoe:cobra, this mini comic looks like filmation in comparison
Now Keith Giffen is coming on to the main title, He is known for one of the best senses of humour in the biz, and delivers great action (he can lay out a page like no one) but he can get dark to, Personally i hope if we get him top of his game with little interferance![]()
I think there is room for different interpretations to MOTU and not only what we've been presented in the past. As a huge Filmation fan, I find this direction to the mythos very interesting, with the dark tone, and some violence spread into it (it's not Lady Death/Evil Ernie gore). After the 60s and 70s "kid friendly" Batman, it was a huge departure creating a Batman that was much darker in the 80s, which we can now be thankful for as it paved the way to how everyone sees the Dark Knight now, the badass that he is. Having some change in MOTU can bring it into a different light and hopefully make it mainstream as other titles.
I don't really see the plot holes you're describing. This tale is being told through Randor, by his own troubled memory. We know what he knows, so we're looking at it from his POV. Based upon what is shown, we know that a monster had been rampaging Eternia and they're hunting it. Based upon Duncan having an antidote already made, we can deduce they've been tracking it for quite some time now. The antidote only worked on those that were not completely drained as noted by Randor when he gave the last antidote to that villager. Duncan was severely wounded and Randor had to carry him all the way to safety which pretty much made making more of Duncan's serum (in his lab) not possible. The Wind Raider was mentioned as not being "effective" due to its engine, so there was no way to help that village anymore as the infected would have spread across Eternia by the time help would arrive. The only plot hole I do see, is the fate of that saved villager, Randor said he'd live but was not shown fleeing with Randor at the end so that creates a![]()
All in all, I really liked this story, the art in it and how its showing a different version of MOTU than what we're getting in the bios. The creature being the Leech we know or not is irrelevant to me as I see this as the separate universe that it is. If an ongoing series opens up, there is always that high possibility he will return one way or another.
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I liked this story of the ones released so far the most. I'm confused by the style of the art though. Sometimes it seems to be "artsy" for "artsy sake". Other times it seems just sloppy. I like the style…I'm not crazy about it though. He-Man at the end just seemed odd.
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I still enjoyed the story, it just didn't "feel" like MOTU to me for the reasons I mentioned. That said, if this is to be the new direction for MOTU, it would take a lot more than this to make me quit reading. I still get all excited whenever one of these things come out.![]()
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However, we do not know certain facts that Randor may have had at his disposal:-
1) how long after infection can the antidote be administered? Remember, we saw the ox creature still go zombified even after Duncan gave him the antidote
2) how long after infection would people die out if they don't feed?
3) how long would it take Duncan to recover?
4) how long would it take to make enough antidote for a village?
5) do the wind raiders work? One of the other guards mocks Duncan for the engine he made
So just saying by the time the antidote would have been ready and transport ready to take it, it may have been too late
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If the zombies became Leeches, by the time he got back, they may have been full-on Leeches.
As for the zombie complaints, I don't really get it. But maybe that's because I'm not into all the zombie stuff. I've only seen a couple of zombie movies, and haven't read or watched The Walking Dead. So maybe I haven't been "overexposed" to zombies. Also, if it's appropriate to the story, it should be used. I don't like it when stuff is NOT used just for the sake of not using it.
Intestines and blood flying all around is very un-MOTU. They're going for the obvious gore-shocker to really push that this is edgy and more adult. In my personal opinion, I do not like it and it cheapens the story. It's like when they put ladies in unnecessarily skimpy outfits with over-exposed cleavage to get in the young, male readers. This is another thing this comic is guilty of (Sorceress and "Teela").
IF we go with the thought that the people can't be cured after going Leech-zombie, then not going back to napalm them from above is risking more lives. Like Tallstar said, any flying person/thing could land there and be bitten/drained and then you have a flying Leech-zombie that can go anywhere. Stratos and the other Avion people. The Andreenids. Heck, even the Sorceress could go all Zoar, land there and be Leech-zombified. If they are NOT able to be cured, letting them slowly die off with the potential of biting a flying creature STILL puts the entire realm at risk.Would Randor want to risk more lives in fighting infected people to cure them? Back then, he didn't have the epic heroes that he has now.
Flying intestines. I think that says it all.Leech might not be dead...or Hordak might ressurect him.
As I said above, if the cure only works say...5 minutes after being bitten/drained, he still is risking the lives of all Eternians by not killing them all immediately or returning there and gunning them down, etc.
Man-At-Arms was drained and took the cure himself. About the Aurochs, MAA was given the needle to inject him and was explaining to Prince Randor why he was doing so. BEFORE he got to inject the cure, the thing went all zombie attack on his butt and Randor killed it to protect Duncan. That's how I interpreted the scene.
I don't know. It seems pretty dark compared to most X-Men, Justice League, Superman, Wonder Woman, Buffy, Angel, etc. I mean each series has their dark moments, but so far this whole series is skewing towards the dark and grotesque. It's like...why the heck would anyone even want to LIVE on Eternia?! It's death from all angles. That's the vibe I'm getting so far.As for this being dark... i can see how people would think that, i really do, if your a big motu fan but not a comics guy this is dark stuff... However this is part of mainstream comics market, It is for the most part a very average book in terms of violence and themes, sure there are some lighter books and some alot worse but this is just a very average comic, hell read mike costa's (the writer of this story) gijoe:cobra, this mini comic looks like filmation in comparisonAll the other incarnations of MOTU, I never really had that question in my mind.
I don't know about the antidote. I hope we can have a Q&A with Mike Costa. It's not very clear. When Randor gives him the antidote, he says the guy wasn't fully drained and that he would live, same with Duncan. We don't know if the antidote works once someone is fully Leech-zombie. The "new engine" MAA created did not work, which means that the existing engines do work. So, the Wind Raiders are fully operational. Randor left the cured villager to die. Dead men tell no tales.
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I am curious about something.
A lot of you guys are really overanalysing the story and are looking for plotholes or other options he should or could have done (in hindsight, which is always 20 20)
Arent you just killing the fun of a good short story for yourselves?
I am in it like: this is what happened, these are the desicions he made at the time in the heat of the moment and this is how he feels about them now. Great story.
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I've been wondering about the poor villager Randor saved, he gave him the antidote then appeared to leave him on the island with the zombies! Brought back to life just to become Zombie chow
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I'm a big filmation fan, but these are grown men fighting evil and they carry sharp weapons, I too dislike extreme gore, but to treat the story realistically, even for a fantasy, those weapons WILL cut and kill.
Name ONE sword and sorcery property that DOESN'T feature women in revealing outfits, this includes filmation, PoP MOTU etc. it's part and parcel of the genre, again even filmation did it.
MAA wasn't drained he was injured, the drained guys are essentially lifeless husks. MAA was badly hurt but not drained at all. Also we don't know how fast these guys die out, if it's 24 hours, by the time they came back to the island everyone would have been dead, Randor couldn't have cut down everyone in the village by himself, if they turned he would have no one watching his back.IF we go with the thought that the people can't be cured after going Leech-zombie, then not going back to napalm them from above is risking more lives. Like Tallstar said, any flying person/thing could land there and be bitten/drained and then you have a flying Leech-zombie that can go anywhere. Stratos and the other Avion people. The Andreenids. Heck, even the Sorceress could go all Zoar, land there and be Leech-zombified. If they are NOT able to be cured, letting them slowly die off with the potential of biting a flying creature STILL puts the entire realm at risk.
Flying intestines. I think that says it all.
As I said above, if the cure only works say...5 minutes after being bitten/drained, he still is risking the lives of all Eternians by not killing them all immediately or returning there and gunning them down, etc.
Man-At-Arms was drained and took the cure himself. About the Aurochs, MAA was given the needle to inject him and was explaining to Prince Randor why he was doing so. BEFORE he got to inject the cure, the thing went all zombie attack on his butt and Randor killed it to protect Duncan. That's how I interpreted the scene.
I understand your personal issues with the story, but really, all the stuff can be explained properly. you can argue it but there isn't any solid ground to prove your point, so you just have to go with these characters are familiar with the virus, if MAA made an antidote, it's something they know well and they know what it does, which means Randor cutting off the village from the rest of the land was something that worked, because we see years later, thre isn't a zombie problem, the inhabitants wiped themselves out in good time, but there a BIT of an open end which is good because it can set up a future where Randor's past comes back to haunt him. (maybe Leech can re-form, maybe if he feeds long enough he absorbs a person's essence and it changes him a bit etc).
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I don't look for plot holes, but if I see them, I'm not happy about them.Like, when movies introduce a main supporting character, follow them through the movie and then it's like the forgot about that character and you never see them again in the movie and don't know what happened to them or where they went at the end. Movies with stuff like that really **** me off.
I think I'm much less critical of movies than a lot of people. For example, I loved the Green Lantern movie (the extended edition...I never saw the theatrical version).
They don't have to show the guts flying around though, to show they are slaying a beast/creature. Nothing in Filmation, PoP or any other era of MOTU has anything as revealing as the Sorceress' J-Lo/Ultimecia dress or "Teela's"...I don't even know what to call that. Armoured string bikini?It's plain ridiculous for them to wear those outfits, because they fight...and their breasts would fall out in battle...especially the Sorceress. It's very lame.
MAA wasn't fully drained, but he was drained, which is why he took the antidote. If you look at the panel where he gets injured, you see Leech's suction cup hand on MAA's wrist.MAA wasn't drained he was injured, the drained guys are essentially lifeless husks. MAA was badly hurt but not drained at all. Also we don't know how fast these guys die out, if it's 24 hours, by the time they came back to the island everyone would have been dead, Randor couldn't have cut down everyone in the village by himself, if they turned he would have no one watching his back.
There are plot holes, I don't know why some people are getting all huffy about it.I understand your personal issues with the story, but really, all the stuff can be explained properly. you can argue it but there isn't any solid ground to prove your point, so you just have to go with these characters are familiar with the virus, if MAA made an antidote, it's something they know well and they know what it does, which means Randor cutting off the village from the rest of the land was something that worked, because we see years later, thre isn't a zombie problem, the inhabitants wiped themselves out in good time, but there a BIT of an open end which is good because it can set up a future where Randor's past comes back to haunt him. (maybe Leech can reform, maybe if he feeds long enough he absorbs a person's essence and it changes him a bit etc).Looking back on the story again and going with what you and another person said, it does look like they are familiar with the virus. Well...why the heck would they go out into the field with guns and axes? Duncan created a cure they know works. They should be loaded down with tranquilizing guns and antidote guns. They should have a few men with regular firearms in case the tranqs or antidote doesn't work. I mean...they KNOW how bad the "virus" is and how it spreads. It seems crazy to go out in the field with what, ONE vile of the antidote? (Duncan hands what's left in the needle for Randor to take).
They wanted to do a zombie-killing, guts spilling, dark story...so that's what they did. Based on all the information laid out for us in the short story and the Prince Randor and King Randor we know from all other eras of MOTU, he never would have had a killing expedition. He was always about saving the most lives as possible.
I DO wish this story was a bit longer, because it could have answered more questions and filled in some of these plot holes. For example, maybe Leech just RECENTLY showed up on Eternia, the situation was taken care of and Duncan created the antidote (and it worked). Before he could make any more of it, there were Leech sightings reported in the swamp and they had to go immediately to minimize exposure to the creature.
That would explain why they didn't do the smartest, safest thing (tranq and antidote guns). It doesn't explain why they didn't go back to cure the people later or blow-up/napalm the whole area if they were beyond curing. I don't know why NO ONE is agreeing it's a plot hole. A falcon, Griffin, Andreenid, Avion, etc. could land in that village, become infected and go infect another area. Randor did not protect the entire realm. He still left it exposed. If they die out in 24 hours (we don't know this, some are assuming), there are STILL 24 hours where a flying creature/person could become infected. Randor doesn't know what happened as he never went back. A flying creature could have been infected and wiped out a few villages. We don't know. Poor clean-up.
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Bikini Teela in DC was much more scantily clad. and yeah the outfits aren't practical, but neither is he-man's skeletor's Tri-Klops etc.
They don't have to show the guts flying around though, to show they are slaying a beast/creature. Nothing in Filmation, PoP or any other era of MOTU has anything as revealing as the Sorceress' J-Lo/Ultimecia dress or "Teela's"...I don't even know what to call that. Armoured string bikini?It's plain ridiculous for them to wear those outfits, because they fight...and their breasts would fall out in battle...especially the Sorceress. It's very lame.
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they didn't have ONE but they had a ration of it, it's possible MAA couldn't MAKE enough for the population, only enough for the hunting party. think about how in our modern age they can't make enough vaccines for the flu to give to everyone. Again you're not thinking logically regarding both the limits they may have and even how things are in our modern, mass production world. Some vaccines take months to be ready, MAA is likely the only one MAKING them.MAA wasn't fully drained, but he was drained, which is why he took the antidote. If you look at the panel where he gets injured, you see Leech's suction cup hand on MAA's wrist.
There are plot holes, I don't know why some people are getting all huffy about it.Looking back on the story again and going with what you and another person said, it does look like they are familiar with the virus. Well...why the heck would they go out into the field with guns and axes? Duncan created a cure they know works. They should be loaded down with tranquilizing guns and antidote guns. They should have a few men with regular firearms in case the tranqs or antidote doesn't work. I mean...they KNOW how bad the "virus" is and how it spreads. It seems crazy to go out in the field with what, ONE vile of the antidote? (Duncan hands what's left in the needle for Randor to take).
It wasn't a killing expedition they were out to stop leech, it ended up a battle situation and people got killed.They wanted to do a zombie-killing, guts spilling, dark story...so that's what they did. Based on all the information laid out for us in the short story and the Prince Randor and King Randor we know from all other eras of MOTU, he never would have had a killing expedition. He was always about saving the most lives as possible.
The ONLY question I have is where did leech come from, but this isn't leech's origin story, so i don't mind that. again if MAA had time to make an antidote, they KNEW what the virus did. Randor wouldn't HAVE to go back if the virus wipes them out in a few minutes/hours. like I said, you aren't applying the logic of the world into your mind. they KNOW the virus, they KNOW what it does so Randor's actions in their reality would work. if it was unknown then they'd revisit, he'd tell MAA and try to find a cure to return with, but they all died probably long before Randor got back to MAA, again this is somethng they KNOW about. it's like kill bill, she knew that after taking 5 steps bill would die, there was no reversing it, he was dead. not a plot hole just a character confident in their knowledge of what they were dealing with.I DO wish this story was a bit longer, because it could have answered more questions and filled in some of these plot holes. For example, maybe Leech just RECENTLY showed up on Eternia, the situation was taken care of and Duncan created the antidote (and it worked). Before he could make any more of it, there were Leech sightings reported in the swamp and they had to go immediately to minimize exposure to the creature.
That would explain why they didn't do the smartest, safest thing (tranq and antidote guns). It doesn't explain why they didn't go back to cure the people later or blow-up/napalm the whole area if they were beyond curing. I don't know why NO ONE is agreeing it's a plot hole. A falcon, Griffin, Andreenid, Avion, etc. could land in that village, become infected and go infect another area. Randor did not protect the entire realm. He still left it exposed. If they die out in 24 hours (we don't know this, some are assuming), there are STILL 24 hours where a flying creature/person could become infected. Randor doesn't know what happened as he never went back. A flying creature could have been infected and wiped out a few villages. We don't know. Poor clean-up.
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It would be a plot hole if the characters spoke of these zombies living long. I know I know you're going on the Aurochs thing but they were connected and close to villages, its possible that the time it takes to fly from the island to mainland the creature would be dead before it can infect anything else. again these are things the characters would know.
now if the writer says otherwise, yeah these are plot holesbut as is, the safest assumption is these people know what they are dealing with.
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It's very barbarian fantasy, not barbarian reality. Sometimes I think people forget that MOTU has those elements. The main character is a barbarian and runs around in furs. Almost everyone on Eternia is running around with furry underpants or boots on.
Teela's DC outfit is similar to her traditional leotard. The only real difference is that her mid section is exposed.
"Teela" is fully covered up in the Battlecat issue. She looks cool in that comic. Look at the group shot where Cringer/Battlecat says "Never weak or scarred agai--." I don't like how she looks in any of the others.Even in the relaxing, reading a book outfit, she's fully covered.
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It was ok. I enjoyed the combat, zombies and dark-tone.
He-Man looked awful, however. Very badly drawn.
I don't think Randor should have looked so sad at the end. He must have made plenty of difficult choices. It wouild have worked better if his expression was stern and grim.
I'm all for the monster being the actual Leech.
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It's refreshing to get the character pieces without being bogged down by huge themes and ridiculous plans.
Why is this not the print comic?! I would gladly pay to see 72 self-contained issues each dealing with a different characters if they were all up to this standard of writing.
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