MOTUC Q&A's From Around the Net (8/15/2012)

[Tallstar]

One thing that bothers me here is this notion that things were 'decided" at some point in the past and that people who weren't part of that merry little band do not have a valid opinion now.

Without meaning to offend, this was the nature of the line and the precedent set early on. We were encouraged to drum up support for what we wanted to see in Classics and the 4H and Mattel were supposed to come on here to research. Everyone was free to give their input.

So some of the current opinions are not valid in the sense that it's unfair to try to retrogade so a version of a character or X item trumps a 'winning campaign' or common thought prior to a release.

[Hoffman]

So some of the current opinions are not valid

Your posts just lost all credibility there.

ALL fans opinions are valid. Anybody who buys these figures opinions are valid. No faction of fans owns this line. Being a "veteran" .org member does not make your opinions on MOTU any more significant than somebody who has never even been to this site.

Scott and the 4H will make decisions based on what they think is best for the greatest number of customers. Everybody is equal, and the majority rules.

[Grayskull's Heir]

While this may be true of the major characters (She-Ra, Glimmer, etc.) who made numerous appearance in the Filmation cartoon and were ingrained in the minds of fans and many non-fans, I would argue it's the opposite for the characters who made only a handful or less apperances and on the series and especially Season 2 characters, such as Netossa, Spinnerella and The Star Sisters.

Prior to the release of the 2007 DVD box set that featured those characters, the most recognizable versions would have been the classic toys that were being sold on eBay for approx. a decade before the DVD set or what was shown in Mattel catalogs. While there were screen shots of the Filmation versions floating around for many years, there was a greater chance of folks stumbling upon the toy versions on eBay. Cels for those characters were a lot rarer back then too. And from what I recall, only the hardcore fans were picking up the poor VHS recordings of the series', which were often missing some episodes, so I would say there was a general lack of knowledge regarding Filmation looks and whatnot. Hell, even now there's a ton of folks who know very little about the POP series.

Again I completely disagree. Netossa, Spinerella and the Star Sisters were super obscure characters with ultra rare figures (and the SS didn't even have figures in the vintage line!), there's no way the toy versions were better known than the cartoon versions. The cartoon is also from the 80s, it's not like nobody had ever watched it prior to the DVD release...

[Darkspecter]

...except that D-Spec is speaking the truth. He gave a fairly accurate depiction of the PoP's history in the line in his post, contrary to the misinformation he replied to.
I say this as somebody who has little interest in PoP, and agrees that toy designs don't fit the classics style as they wouldn't have fit in the vintage motu line. I don't care about almost any of the characters named in this debate, and in all honesty many PoP fans have irritated me lately with the vitriol aimed at motu and its characters, concepts, and new figures/characters. But anyone who read the forums during the course of the line would have seen the progression he's talking about.

People seem most impressed by the hybrids, like Bow and BP She-Ra. While I don't share their tastes for the 80s PoP toys, toy-PoP fans are getting flak here for doing what fans of most eras do in their speculation of future figures. It's actually pretty innocuous compared to some of the stuff that gets thrown around here, lol.

Thank you. If Mattel was using She-Ra more, I think BG Teela wouldn't be thrown under the bus so much lately. I prefer red head Teela, but if Mattel wasn't trying to make Teela into She-Ra as it seems right now (her fighting side-by-side with He-Man like the "Twins of Power" and having a sword that looks identical to She-Ra's Sword of Power) I would be a-ok. That's the big deal for me right now. It's like "let's gradually get rid of She-Ra and replace her with Teela" is what I feel is happening.

Your posts just lost all credibility there.

ALL fans opinions are valid. Anybody who buys these figures opinions are valid. No faction of fans owns this line. Being a "veteran" .org member does not make your opinions on MOTU any more significant than somebody who has never even been to this site.

Scott and the 4H will make decisions based on what they think is best for the greatest number of customers. Everybody is equal, and the majority rules.

I think Tallstar meant when people recount what happened in the past, and it didn't happen that way...or how Mattel promises things, doesn't deliver and then some people don't care and the ones who are upset are told to get over it, shut up, etc. Specifically how the toy prototype Star Sisters were the most desired and campaigned for. Nearly everyone who wanted them in MOTUC (that posted about it and made their opinions known) wanted those versions. I'm sure nothing callous was meant by it.

Again I completely disagree. Netossa, Spinerella and the Star Sisters were super obscure characters with ultra rare figures (and the SS didn't even have figures in the vintage line!), there's no way the toy versions were better known than the cartoon versions. The cartoon is also from the 80s, it's not like nobody had ever watched it prior to the DVD release...

I can't speak for Netossa because she was in a few episodes, but the Star Sisters...a lot of people didn't even know they were in the cartoon. People kept asking which episode and what part, etc. I remember someone watching it and not seeing them, so someone posted a YouTube clip and they went "that's IT?!" For years, the only image on the internet regarding the Star Sisters, which kept getting posted around the web and talked about, was the picture of the US catalogue by Catone82 from GrayskullMuseum.com:



Spinnerella was also only in one episode. Her toy is famous because of HOW much money it goes for, how rare it is, and how everyone tries to get one to 1) have in their collection or 2) sell and make lots of money if they can get her for cheap. She was advertised all over the place. Glimmer and such, I would agree that most people would probably remember them from the cartoon the most, but Spinnerella and the Star Sisters are definitely most remembered by collectors on the internet, by their toy incarnations.

[Tallstar]

Again I completely disagree. Netossa, Spinerella and the Star Sisters were super obscure characters with ultra rare figures (and the SS didn't even have figures in the vintage line!), there's no way the toy versions were better known than the cartoon versions. The cartoon is also from the 80s, it's not like nobody had ever watched it prior to the DVD release...

Yes, I know The Star Sisters were never released in the vintage line, but POP collectors' especially would likely have stumbled upon their prototype designs when searching for sites showing the toys. Typically collectors' start with the toys (or predominantly collect the toys) and at some point they look for pictures of the collection/Waves to see what they need to acquire/what was never released.

Scans of the prototype versions of The Star Sisters were available on the internet early on, whereas the interior of the rare final issue of the She-Ra magazine depicting the Star Sisters versions we got in Classics was uploaded much later. (Starla is the only one shown on the cover) But really it's a moot point in the context of your argument, because we didn't get Filmation Star Sisters. We got obscure magazine versions that nobody really asked for as figures. As Darkspecter once put it, the vast majority of folks who knew of the Star Sisters talked about the toy versions in a "matter of fact" way. That's what most folks who knew of them and bothered to comment were expecting to get. It's simply not true to claim otherwise.

Also, I'm not saying that nobody watched the cartoon before the DVD release. What I'm trying to get across is that memories fade over the years, and that some of the POP toy designs would have been more well known over that decade or so, because it's not like the entire POP series was available on official VHS releases prior to the release of the DVDs. What you had was some folks selling poor quality recordings from back in the day that didn't always contain the entire series. Most fans will remember what major characters like Catra, She-Ra, Glimmer looked like. But a single minute-long Star Sisters appearance in the cartoon? Not so much. People on here are constantly referring to Classics Star Sisters as if they're "Filmation" and they're not.

[Telkan2]

And if you ask them, "Do you want toy designs, or do you want Filmation?" Filmation is going to win. Maybe we need a thread to gauge that...

With all due respect, a thread or a poll are not necessary at this point: no one is arguing that point. In reading the exchange, it seems to me that, while you may have been reading DS' posts, you've also been looking for a reason to pick it apart. He's been consistent in saying the exact same thing as you: that the majority of fans want the POP figures based on Filmation with accents in-line with the vintage toys...and yet you (perhaps inadvertently) and others (purposefully in some cases) are either overlooking that basic fact or willfully ignoring it in order to discredit DS.

For the record, I have zero interest in the vintage POP toy designs. Like the majority of fans, I want them to be based on Filmation with toy accents. That being said, I think it's unfair to attack DS in the way that you are when he's always been very honest about the fact that he's in the minority in terms of his preference, and considering the fact that he (almost) always backs up his arguments with detailed and documented 'polling data' based on the fans' responses around here.

No disrespect intended, just trying to offer some 'outsider' perspective.

[Tallstar]

I think Tallstar meant when people recount what happened in the past, and it didn't happen that way...or how Mattel promises things, doesn't deliver and then some people don't care and the ones who are upset are told to get over it, shut up, etc. Specifically how the toy prototype Star Sisters were the most desired and campaigned for. Nearly everyone who wanted them in MOTUC (that posted about it and made their opinions known) wanted those versions. I'm sure nothing callous was meant by it.

Thank you.

[MegaGearMax]

I read it thoroughly, DS. Just like I did this one.

But you've just worn me down. I'm not going to keep typing and reading thousands of words with you so you can make what amounts to political rhetoric. Nothing you are saying has anything to do with what I am so it's utterly useless.

I won't continue to reply to you - it's just a waste of time. For what it's worth, I think Mattel stinks and Scott has managed this line terribly. I'm not defending anything they have done, yet you keep putting it all on me because you feel the need to argue points that I don't make, just because apparently you need to direct it at someone.

Here's the bottom line : I think it's a great figure, I'm perfectly happy with her. You are not. Sorry for you. But that's yours to deal with, I'll just let you stew and spew venom and having negative feelings based on unrealistic, ultra-specific expectations. Me, I'll be enjoying Neotessa when she arrives.

You say you speak for "the fans", but you do not. Knowing you, you will go count up some thread and say, "13 people agreed in X-thread once!" Great. But by and large, everyone who is objective here knows that Filmation designs are preferred, with light toy touches. You can go on and on and be disgruntled all you want, but this is the reality and the reality is we are lucky for each and every PoP figure we get at this point, as the line is dying. We can spend that time enjoying what we can get, or we can get all uppity about "O.M.G. her trim should be silver because that's the vision I had in my head and all figures must be like I want them, and I speak for all the fans!" and little, minor details like that.

I know what my choice is, and apparently you have made yours. I'm sorry that's the route you have chosen, but it's yours to choose.

I think this debate went over rather well...much better than when I was your opponent around this time last year about Battleground Evil-Lyn.

[Tallstar]

For years, the only image on the internet regarding the Star Sisters, which kept getting posted around the web and talked about, was the picture of the US catalogue by Catone82 from GrayskullMuseum.com:

Yep. And actually, the prototype images (scanned by other folks) were on some sites way earlier than Grayskullmuseum.com, but are now defunct.

[Barezz]

Without meaning to offend, this was the nature of the line and the precedent set early on. We were encouraged to drum up support for what we wanted to see in Classics and the 4H and Mattel were supposed to come on here to research. Everyone was free to give their input.

So some of the current opinions are not valid in the sense that it's unfair to try to retrogade so a version of a character or X item trumps a 'winning campaign' or common thought prior to a release.

I'm going to give you the benefit of that doubt that this last part was a poorly worded attempt at sounding clever as opposed to actually confirming the very thing that bothers me in the first place. Regardless of if I was around for whatever PoP research was going on a few years back or not does not make my opinion any less valid. I also think that some people need to take a step back and remember that a forum poll or thread on the .Org is probably not the worlds most reliable or valid study design.

My opinion still stands, Filmation style is my preferred style. I also think there are much much bigger issues for PoP than if Tallstar has MC Hammer pants or not. Limited releases, character selection (we have gotten the PoP equivalent of Rotar and Twistoid and Ninjor but no Glimmer or Angella???!!!) and characters getting the shaft on accessories are such bigger concerns to me than deco.

There have been plenty of disappointments with this line. NA fans are just hoping they ever get enough releases so they can debate "Jetlag look" VS "Toy look" and 200X fans would love for that look to not be retired. But man, I have never seen something (well beyond Illumina) invoke such wacky passion in some people here are PoP deco and Tallstars pants, .

But regardless I think that people's opinions are no more or less valid because of "joined date".

[RockinHard]

I'm going to give you the benefit of that doubt that this last part was a poorly worded attempt at sounding clever as opposed to actually confirming the very thing that bothers me in the first place. Regardless of if I was around for whatever PoP research was going on a few years back or not does not make my opinion any less valid. I also think that some people need to take a step back and remember that a forum poll or thread on the .Org is probably not the worlds most reliable or valid study design.

My opinion still stands, Filmation style is my preferred style. I also think there are much much bigger issues for PoP than if Tallstar has MC Hammer pants or not. Limited releases, character selection (we have gotten the PoP equivalent of Rotar and Twistoid and Ninjor but no Glimmer or Angella???!!!) and characters getting the shaft on accessories are such bigger concerns to me than deco.

There have been plenty of disappointments with this line. NA fans are just hoping they ever get enough releases so they can debate "Jetlag look" VS "Toy look" and 200X fans would love for that look to not be retired. But man, I have never seen something (well beyond Illumina) invoke such wacky passion in some people here are PoP deco and Tallstars pants, .

But regardless I think that people's opinions are no more of less valid because of "joined date".

I agree 100%.

[Tallstar]

I'm going to give you the benefit of that doubt that this last part was a poorly worded attempt at sounding clever as opposed to actually confirming the very thing that bothers me in the first place. Regardless of if I was around for whatever PoP research was going on a few years back or not does not make my opinion any less valid. I also think that some people need to take a step back and remember that a forum poll or thread on the .Org is probably not the worlds most reliable or valid study design.

Let me try to make this clear: I have no problem whatsoever with some folks preferring the Star Sisters we received to the toy designs. If that's your opinion, great. What's not cool with me, is when some use that opinion to try to make it appear as if there was no wrong-doing on Mattel's part so far as design/deco choices on the SS are concered. Since you're a newer member, perhaps you're not aware of what exactly happened. I'll spare you the details. To be honest, I really don't want to get into it, because I've already explained in past threads a bazillion times and I'm too tired to deal with all the posts that would undoubtedly follow mine.

But anyhow, it seems like you're trying to blame me for holding Mattel to a standard that was in effect prior to the release of the SS, whilst simultaneously diminishing my campaign (that received tons of support) and the general thoughts that existed regarding those characters prior to you hoping on-board the Classics line. Again, it's important to repeat that the precedent at the time was that Mattel and the 4H were making decisions for future characters based upon the input from fans, and quite frankly virutually all of the discussion over the years on the Star Sisters was happening here on He-Man.org and, to a lesser degree, Matty forums. Matty forums didn't come into existence until like 2010, though.

My opinion still stands, Filmation style is my preferred style. I also think there are much much bigger issues for PoP than if Tallstar has MC Hammer pants or not. Limited releases, character selection (we have gotten the PoP equivalent of Rotar and Twistoid and Ninjor but no Glimmer or Angella???!!!) and characters getting the shaft on accessories are such bigger concerns to me than deco.

It's not just the deco, though. Starla, Tallstar and Jewelstar got the shaft on accessories too, so it's an important issue to some of us.

How 'bout going after the folks still asking for vehicles in these trying times?

[zodak74]

Again I completely disagree. Netossa, Spinerella and the Star Sisters were super obscure characters with ultra rare figures (and the SS didn't even have figures in the vintage line!), there's no way the toy versions were better known than the cartoon versions. The cartoon is also from the 80s, it's not like nobody had ever watched it prior to the DVD release...

Speaking as an '80s kid PoP and MOTU collector, who thought he had seen all of the classic cartoon episodes... I came back into the world of MOTU collecting in either '99 or 2000 via ebay, then the forums here, and while I never knew of Netossa, Spinnerella or the Star Sisters back in the '80s, I did learn about them in the early 2000s... and it was through fellow fans via the internet and it was their classic toy incarnations/catalogue pictures that I saw and became interested in first. Seeing them in Filmation cartoons came well after the fact, when the dvd box sets started to get pumped out. And my reaction when I saw all of the characters mentioned above was "GOOD GOD!"... LOL. Netossa and Spinnerella are two of the more visually striking figures from the classic toy line. The Star Sisters prototypes looked like cool action-feature based toys that, in my mind, would kinda tie in more with the world of MOTU than some of the previous PoP releases. When I hopped on the MOTUC train in 2008, I honestly didn't think we would get The Star Sisters or Netossa, but my hopes were that if we did, they would have looked like action figure versions of those kick-ass looking '80s "dolls". Not articulated versions of how they were shown on the Filmation cartoon- which, in my opinion, made those characters look rather hideous.
Anyways...

[Barezz]

Let me try to make this clear: I have no problem whatsoever with some folks preferring the Star Sisters we received to the toy designs. If that's your opinion, great. What's not cool with me, is when some use that opinion to try to make it appear as if there was no wrong-doing on Mattel's part so far as design/deco choices on the SS are concered. Since you're a newer member, perhaps you're not aware of what exactly happened. I'll spare you the details. To be honest, I really don't want to get into it, because I've already explained in past threads a bazillion times and I'm too tired to deal with all the posts that would undoubtedly follow mine.

I don't know what happens at Mattel. None of us do. We don't know what happened. was there a "Horde Prime wants to destroy Christmas level conspiracy"? Who knows. It could have been as simple as someone in management said "Use this design". Don't cross the boss seems to be pretty universally motivating. I'm not saying anyone is 'right" or "wrong". What I am saying is that my opinion is "I like the Star Sisters as is just fine". My issue is that whenever I say that someone comes in and starts saying how Mattel screwed the Star Sisters over and we were "supposed" to get toy deco AND here is a 6 page post presenting evidence. I've heard the arguements...I just think they are fine as is. I'm not denying anyone's stance as a "wronged party"...it just does not apply to me.

But anyhow, it seems like you're trying to blame me for holding Mattel to a standard that was in effect prior to the release of the SS, whilst simultaneously diminishing my campaign (that received tons of support) and the general thoughts that existed regarding those characters prior to you hoping on-board the Classics line. Again, it's important to repeat that the precedent at the time was that Mattel and the 4H were making decisions for future characters based upon the input from fans, and quite frankly virutually all of the discussion over the years on the Star Sisters was happening here on He-Man.org and, to a lesser degree, Matty forums. Matty forums didn't come into existence until like 2010, though.

I'm not trying to "blame" you at all. I have no idea how you even got that idea. I'll again give you the benefit of the doubt that you might have just been a bit on edge when you suggested that. You make it sound like you have become my "arch nemesis", and that really is just not the case. You can hold Mattel to whatever standard you want, however I don't have to agree with you.

It's not just the deco, though. Starla, Tallstar and Jewelstar got the shaft on accessories too, so it's an important issue to some of us.

I agree with you here. PoP figures as of late have gotten the shaft of accessories, and I didn't feel like the Star Sisters, as a high price item, had the amount they needed. I know Tallstars extensions were supposed to count...but they didn't really feel like awesome accessories, even if they were cool for the figure. Now where we will probably disagree is with what types of accessories we would like them to have. For me, a "comb weapon" is a waste. I know it's toy accurate, but in a line of figures with plastic hair a comb is as useful as a dial on Hurricane Hordak's back. Now if they had given Frosta a ice sword... that would have been awesome.

How 'bout going after the folks still asking for vehicles in these trying times?

I have no idea what this means.
#1: Vehicles are typically out of sub items, and much more expensive. It's just not a good comparison.
#2: Since this was in response to my bit about character selection, I stand by what I said 100%. The Star Sisters, had they been released in the original line would be PoP's Ninjor. I think it is a issue that they have been released before KEY PoP figures like Glimmer or Angella. Let's say the line ended, would any PoP fan look at their PoP shelf and think that there was not a huge gaping hole? This would be like Star Wars releasing Mon Mothma before Leia!

I like you fine Tallstar, some of your pieces and posts about the Star Sisters helped to win me over (I didn't sub this year and bought them from someone on the secondary market, plus Tallstar and Starla are 2 of the first ones I made in my Champions Online created character thread!). What I worry about is that Mattel does take notice of what you and a few other more vocal PoP fans say and think that it is what every PoP fan want. There's a lot of fans who like the Filmation designs and I don't think it's right to adopt any kind of "second class citizen" attitude because there were some forum polls done a few years ago.

[He-Dad]

I personally think that by doing Filmation/Style guide styled PoP figures rather than the toy versions Mattel has actually made MORE PoP figure fans than were before. I agree that accessories have been skimped on but Barezz is 100% right that the comb accessories are worthless and a waste of plastic in this line. I would have never thought about having a PoP figure in my collection prior to this line but now I'm all for having some GR characters. As I said before Catra made a believer out of me. Had she been released with a bushy black tail like the toy version I would have NEVER bought her. I'm hoping they stick to this with the rest of the GR.....especially Glimmer and Angella as I feel they need their iconic Filmation looks with some minor toy details. (I don't think Glimmer needs an afro though!)

That being said, I feel Tallstar is right about the star sisters in that they would have benefited by having more toy version touches than what they were given. Going off the poster wasn't a good call. Had they put some of the toy touches and coloring combined with the brief Filmation appearance I think they would have gone over better. Maybe not the Hammer pants thing on Tallstar, but her coloring was awesome. Starla would have probably benefited the most as she was a stunning figure in the prototype version. I don't know what would have helped Jewlstar honestly cause I think the toy version was pretty bad honestly. But when it comes to figures like Netossa....her vintage figure looked like a mess to me and I'm glad they toned her down and gave her the look they did. The mask can come in a weapons pack later and she should have had some other weapon for the price, but as far as design goes, I think she's great. She could use some silver highlights but I don't think it was a make or break difference in the grand scheme of things.

Overall, I'm impressed with most the 4H calls. We have a lot of amazing figures. They're never going to please everyone, but I think they really try. If the line rebounds I hope the She-ravers get their varients...even if it is a seperate sub just for them......(would be a great idea for She-ra's 25th, TG) but as the line stands now, I think the remaining figures need to be on the lines of Netossa....minus missing accessories of course, but done in Filmation/Styleguide style with little nods to the vintage toys (as long as they are details like BP She-ra's boots and gauntlets and not corny combs!)

[Tallstar]

I don't know what happens at Mattel. None of us do. We don't know what happened. was there a "Horde Prime wants to destroy Christmas level conspiracy"? Who knows. It could have been as simple as someone in management said "Use this design". Don't cross the boss seems to be pretty universally motivating. I'm not saying anyone is 'right" or "wrong". What I am saying is that my opinion is "I like the Star Sisters as is just fine". My issue is that whenever I say that someone comes in and starts saying how Mattel screwed the Star Sisters over and we were "supposed" to get toy deco AND here is a 6 page post presenting evidence. I've heard the arguements...I just think they are fine as is. I'm not denying anyone's stance as a "wronged party"...it just does not apply to me.

The tone of my posts may come off hysterical to some folks, but I can assure you that's not the case. Sorry it came off like you're my enemy. You're not. I'm just frazzled, because my issue is similar to the scenario you described, except for the fact that I find the opposite to be true more often than not: I try to make the case for toy Star Sisters and I'm almost instantly bombarded with: "You already got The Star Sisters!" and "Be happy they were made at all!" and "There are more important issue at the moment." etc. LOL!

That last statement in quotations ties into where I was going with the comment about the vehicles. While I realize variant Star Sisters are unlikely to happen in the immediate future or at all (especially given the current state of the line), I feel I'm just trying to keep the hope alive for those versions much like certain members are doing just that with the vehicles (listen to the latest episode of Roast Gooble, for example.) but they aren't criticized nearly as often as I am for continuing to ask for variants. I feel like another vehicle not performing to expectations would be way more damaging to Classics than if an individual variant SS was released and flopped.

Now where we will probably disagree is with what types of accessories we would like them to have. For me, a "comb weapon" is a waste. I know it's toy accurate, but in a line of figures with plastic hair a comb is as useful as a dial on Hurricane Hordak's back. Now if they had given Frosta a ice sword... that would have been awesome.

I've never been a fan of the comb weapons, so you'll get no arguments out of me. And the Star Sisters were never shown with any combs, so same thing applies there. I would rather get stuff like Tallstar's waist extension, pants (which I always imagined to be more like electrical conduit powering her extensions), Jewelstar's jewel form, Starla's backpack etc. I think it might be cool to go back to the abandoned idea of each SS coming with a crystal from the stars, but change it so they connect to form Jewelstar's jewel form.

[shadowfall1976]

Fans overwhelmingly want filmation designs

I know I prefer them, mind you with added detail, but the He-Man we have I am happy with, but I would love a more Filmation Skeletor buck & head, and A Mer-Man head, also a more FIlmation MAA would be nice to see, since the MAA we got wasn't Filmation or the Vintage toy.

[WDWFreak53]

Let me try to make this clear: I have no problem whatsoever with some folks preferring the Star Sisters we received to the toy designs. If that's your opinion, great. What's not cool with me, is when some use that opinion to try to make it appear as if there was no wrong-doing on Mattel's part so far as design/deco choices on the SS are concered.



It's not just the deco, though. Starla, Tallstar and Jewelstar got the shaft on accessories too, so it's an important issue to some of us.

How 'bout going after the folks still asking for vehicles in these trying times?

First off...where was the "wrong-doing" on Mattel's part? It's their decision in the long run...if the fans aren't happy, they need to speak with their wallets. Mattel had two options to draw their inspiration from...they chose the one that you didn't prefer so they were wrong?

I understand that these are very personal figures to you and you want the best from them but even if the one-shot of them in that catalog is more well-known...if it's a one-shot in a catalog or a one-time appearance in a hugely popular television show, the television show is going to win 9 times out of 10. Remember, not everybody knew of the Star Sisters...and Mattel knows that. I'm looking at those toys at wonder how they would've translated into the MOTUC line without using cloth. Frankly, I don't think they would've come out that well and people would've complained.

I will agree with you that they got the shaft on accessories. It was an embarrasment. They all got the same accessory just in a different color. Doing that makes them look out of place, because it looks as if they are from a different line that got all of the same weapons.

Vehicles are completely different as they were as pivotal to the vintage line as the figures were.

[Stratos*Major]

IIIIIiiiii think...

Seriously though...if you were the person that was really the force behind the SS campaign & then you FINALLY find out that they are making one, and you are particularly interested in one (who shall remain nameless ) of them and you thought they were going to come out one way and then, the one who is painted differently is the one you REALLY were excited about...I'd be like WTFreak too, I think most of us would.

I will feel miffed is Mermista comes out with a plastic wrap for a tail...and I havent ran any campaign for her.

So anyhow...I do think asking for vehicles at this point is 1.) a waste of a question, what about next years limited SKUS 2.) pointless...were only getting 12 SKUS max next year...

However, I do think that we should move beyond variants at this point because of the same reasson, limited SKUS.

MERMISTA

[RockinHard]

Battle Ram for 2013!