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    Still on the fence? Message from Toy Guru

    It isn’t just a toy. It’s a pop culture icon. The original Castle Grayskull playset from 1982 has lived on well beyond its “playtime” and truly set the standard for what a toy playset should deliver. From the mysterious skull face to the action packaged throne room dungeon trap, how many of us just spent hours and hours of our childhood lugging that bad boy around playing out countless adventures for He-Man and his pals.

    (hey mods, if you have it handy, feel free to drop in a link to that great video Pixel Dan did of the vintage castle here! Really hits it home better then I could!)

    (Sure thing! -dorrmann)



    Until recently I never thought a playset could ever come out that would rival the original Castle. While playsets were a hallmark of the ‘80s, in recent years (and decades) we have seen decline in “action figure real estate” for a variety of reasons. But those monster sets of the early ‘80s will always remain lasting icons of an era when muscle-bound warriors ruled the living room, defending freedom and playtime everywhere.

    It’s no secret that we’ve wanted the current Masters of the Universe Classics line (available each month on Mattycollector.com!) to become the greatest MOTU line of all time (if not one of the greatest toy lines of all time). Putting out any MOTU line that could even challenge the original is an endeavor unto itself.

    But over the last 4 or 5 years, the MOTUC team has really stepped up to the plate and created some of the coolest, most amazing adult collector figures ever made. We’ve covered people, beasts, gorillas, giant dragons and even flying boats. But we haven’t yet gotten to the center piece of them all. The playset.
    Well, now the time has come. Fan demand helped it happen, the Hoverboard pre-order sale made it plausible. And now if we hit our minimum order by November 12th, the MOTU fans will do what no other fan base for any toy line has been able to prove- that they ARE big enough to support large playsets and want to see these happen!

    We’ve had our presale up for about two weeks now and are getting close. But we can’t close the gap without your help. If you are on the fence about whether or not to buy a Castle Grayskull, let me see if I can talk you over to our side of the yard.

    A lot of folks have looked at not just the price, but the actual footprint of the Castle and wondered “where am I even going to put that?” Well, you’ve got a lot of options. We did design the Castle to display as many figures as possible, even adding a third level across the top to attack or defend from below. Some fans have noted they really only want a “Castle façade” to use as a backdrop. If you only want a one-sided façade as a backdrop, simply only assemble the front half of the Castle. Just like the vintage set, our new MOTUC Castle Grayskull swings open and closed. If you have limited shelf space or only want the front side behind your collection, you can simply detach the back half (just like the vintage set) and display only the front half!

    But there is another factor to consider.

    As a collector myself, I know how valuable “shelf space” is. And finding room for a full Castle Grayskull in your current toy room or man cave (or woman cave!) is often challenging. One thing I would throw out there from my good friends on the Back to the Future brand is to think about this playset “fourth dimensionally.”

    This Castle Grayskull isn’t just for now. It isn’t just for tomorrow or even next week. This Castle Grayskull is for the next 30 years.

    It really isn’t every day or even every decade that Mattel can offer a MOTU playset. This is a rare thing. (Heck, quite literally, this is only the third Castle in 30 years, so I guess that means we’ve done one a decade at this rate, right?)

    But this one is different. This is CLASSICS Castle Grayskull.

    This is the one we have all waited for. It is in scale with our 6” figures and chock full of every detail, crammed with accessories, and ideally will be sculpted to perfection soon (once we hit that minimum number of pre-orders on Nov 12th!). And for those a little unsure, it does include ALL of the items shown in the blueprints. We hope to add more, but there won’t be less.

    This is the playset “designed to last” for the adult collector. The chance of doing this again or offering anything like this in another way is pretty slim, especially if this one doesn’t go through. Ever since Classics debuted 5 years ago, fans have been asking for this centerpiece. Now is the time.

    If you are on the fence, as both the brand manager for MOTU and a fan, I suggest it is time to get off and support this playset. It truly is in the fans’ hands. We can’t make this playset without you. We all want this. We’ve been asking for it for years. Mattel finally found a way to make it happen, but it can only go forward with your support.

    You may not have the room to display the Castle today. Personally, I own thousands of toys and for the most part they are in large rubber bins in storage. I simply don’t have room to display everything I own or even want to (especially with a 2 ½ year old at home – small parts and all…). But even before I was lucky enough to land a gig at Mattel as a professional collector (if you will), I’ve always viewed my collection as “one day.” “One day” I know I will be successful enough and have a big enough place to display all my toys, including the proper space for this castle.

    But the Castle Grayskull pre-order is now.

    Even if you think you lack the proper display space for the Castle right now, keep in mind this playset not only is a bit of a one-time offer, but more importantly, it is going to last. Twenty years from now, even thirty years from now, hopefully we’ll all be looking over our MOTUC collections with joy. Whether or not we’re still offering new monthly figures or not isn’t the key. They key is that even after figures stop coming out, your collection is permanent. You’ll have it as long as you collect. And seriously, who doesn’t want Castle Grayskull to be the centerpiece of that collection?! Years from now, do you not want to have this castle there with all your figures? How incomplete will your collection look if this Castle is missing? Preordering the Castle isn’t just about 2012 or 2013 but for the life of your collection for as long as you want to keep MOTU on display. Years from now, with a “complete” figure set, this playset will be the centerpiece of any collection. Whether you display everything now, or one day intend to have an amazing shelf (shelves?) full of MOTUC toys, this is the time to lock in your Castle Grayskull. This castle isn’t just to display now but to reign proudly over all your toys for decades to come. This playset is going to look amazing. It is going to be everything we all want a Classics Castle to be.

    Please help us make this happen. Help your fellow He-Fans make this happen. Offering a 6” scale Castle Grayskull really is a turning point in all of toy collecting. This playset truly could go on to become one of (if not THE) greatest toy made. Think of how iconic the vintage playset still is 30 years later.

    Now think of that powered by the detail, paint, sculpting and passion of the Classics line. This is going to be one heck of a toy. It’s the one that will make all your friends jealous, not just for years, but for decades to come. Opportunities like this don’t come around that often and now is the time. Let’s make this happen.

    We have the power!

    Scott

    PS: We are still working on the packaging but hope to have Rudy do another amazing new illustration on what will be a closed box. If we do move forward, one thing we want to do is let fans vote on which 5 good guys and which 5 bad guys will be attacking/defending the Castle on the box front illustration. We hope to involve fans as much as possible along the way but we need to hit that minimum order quota first. So if you are on the fence, now is the time to come on board!

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    Scott for Pres!!!

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    Scott, I'm going to be honest. It just does not appeal to me. I'm sure it will be awesome, but I just cannot justify spending $300 on something that would be put on the back of my shelf just to have He-Man stand in front of and that is it. It would sit there for months collecting dust before I would even touch it again. I know this because that is what has happened with my Wind Raider and all of my GI Joe vehicles.
    Can someone PM me the US number for Matty? I want to talk to someone who might has a clue of what is going on.

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    Honestly Scott, I want to support this and preorder, but right now, I just can't.

    You bring up the Hoverboard, yet many of us who preordered one feel completely burned by Mattycollector. We were promised the world by you in the form of it being a "movie accurate prop replica, right down to the last detail"; yet it's wound up being anything but that.

    Then on top of that, you guys still tried to force it on us before suddenly backing down (which to hazard a guess, I imagine was the result of legal stepping in after they were contacted by a therpf.com member and forcing the backflip), which turned disappointment to anger.

    Now I've asked you a question on the Mattycollector forums in an effort to give you a chance to belay my fears of getting burned again, how I can trust Mattel a second time around with twice as much money involved, after being burned the first time. Your response was a canned line of how proud you are of the Hoverboard. That doesn't breed confidence at all - in fact quite the opposite. Not only is it dismissive but the canned lines have gotten incredibly old.

    You basically took me from being on the fence and teetering towards falling off it on the side of preordering, to nearly falling off it on the completely disinterested side of it.

    So again Scott, how can I trust Mattel to do this right where the Hoverboard was done badly (and just so we're clear, I have no interest in how proud of it you might be).

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    Preordered mine! Wouldn't miss it. Please make sure QC is good on this "once in a lifetime playset." Some of us are nervous about that!
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    Great post TG! This is the Castle Grayskull of a lifetime. We can do it! Then onto Snake Mountain, the Fright Zone, Eternia, and more!

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    PREORDERED! One thing I'm excited about is seeing certain key characters with the castle. For me it would be of course be, He-man, Skeletor and the Sorceress, but also Zodac and King Grayskull! and Ram man out in front! Im thinking about what I can put behind the castle for a backdrop. I want a mountain scape and a foreboding sky and a mote,( even if it doesn't come with the matt, I can find something) Then I can start building a battle in front!





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    already ordered my 2!

    PLEASE PREORDER GUYS!

    DO NOT WAIT IF AT ALL POSSIBLE!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowspearer View Post
    Honestly Scott, I want to support this and preorder, but right now, I just can't.

    You bring up the Hoverboard, yet many of us who preordered one feel completely burned by Mattycollector. We were promised the world by you in the form of it being a "movie accurate prop replica, right down to the last detail"; yet it's wound up being anything but that.
    What is wrong with the Hoverboard? This is the first I have ever heard a complaint about it. I did not even know it had shipped.
    Can someone PM me the US number for Matty? I want to talk to someone who might has a clue of what is going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Kain View Post
    What is wrong with the Hoverboard? This is the first I have ever heard a complaint about it. I did not even know it had shipped.
    Hoverboard has yet to ship, but there's a long list of problems with it based on the final version shown at NYCC. The best bet is just to get you to read from here in this thread on therpf.com so you can see the issues for yourself.

    Let's just say that the "100% movie accurate prop replica, down to the smallest detail" we were promised when preorders opened for it has become "a really cool toy" (Toyguru's own words) now that it's time for them to [refuse to] deliver on their promises.

    On top of that, when some of us voiced anger over what was a bait and switch, Mattel tried to lock us into it, citing clauses in the preorder which was null and void due to their failure to deliver. The only thing that seems to have changed it was a member of therpf.com contacting Mattel Legal and compliance. Within days of that, Mattel suddenly did a backflip and allowed cancellations.

    Even then people have had cancellations refused over email and have only had success when they've actually called Mattycollector and threatened legal action (which is what I had to do).

    Let's just say after Mattycollector's borderline fraudulent behaviour; I'm more than a little hesitant to trust them again with something costing more than twice as much. People say that Castle Grayskull will be different, but then we all thought that with the Hoverboard too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowspearer View Post
    Hoverboard has yet to ship, but there's a long list of problems with it based on the final version shown at NYCC. The best bet is just to get you to read from here in this thread on therpf.com so you can see the issues for yourself.

    Let's just say that the "100% movie accurate prop replica, down to the smallest detail" we were promised when preorders opened for it has become "a really cool toy" (Toyguru's own words) now that it's time for them to [refuse to] deliver on their promises.

    On top of that, when some of us voiced anger over what was a bait and switch, Mattel tried to lock us into it, citing clauses in the preorder which was null and void due to their failure to deliver. The only thing that seems to have changed it was a member of therpf.com contacting Mattel Legal and compliance. Within days of that, Mattel suddenly did a backflip and allowed cancellations.

    Even then people have had cancellations refused over email and have only had success when they've actually called Mattycollector and threatened legal action (which is what I had to do).

    Let's just say after Mattycollector's borderline fraudulent behaviour; I'm more than a little hesitant to trust them again with something costing more than twice as much. People say that Castle Grayskull will be different, but then we all thought that with the Hoverboard too...
    That is really out of hand! True fubar. I don't know, I'm still smarting from how the 2013 sub was handled. Out of curiousity, has there ever been a preorder based on a "blueprint" like this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowspearer View Post
    Hoverboard has yet to ship, but there's a long list of problems with it based on the final version shown at NYCC. The best bet is just to get you to read from here in this thread on therpf.com so you can see the issues for yourself.

    Let's just say that the "100% movie accurate prop replica, down to the smallest detail" we were promised when preorders opened for it has become "a really cool toy" (Toyguru's own words) now that it's time for them to [refuse to] deliver on their promises.

    On top of that, when some of us voiced anger over what was a bait and switch, Mattel tried to lock us into it, citing clauses in the preorder which was null and void due to their failure to deliver. The only thing that seems to have changed it was a member of therpf.com contacting Mattel Legal and compliance. Within days of that, Mattel suddenly did a backflip and allowed cancellations.

    Even then people have had cancellations refused over email and have only had success when they've actually called Mattycollector and threatened legal action (which is what I had to do).

    Let's just say after Mattycollector's borderline fraudulent behaviour; I'm more than a little hesitant to trust them again with something costing more than twice as much. People say that Castle Grayskull will be different, but then we all thought that with the Hoverboard too...
    Is that not how it looked in the movie?
    Can someone PM me the US number for Matty? I want to talk to someone who might has a clue of what is going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadley View Post
    Scott for Pres!!!
    I second the nomination.

    I already ordered my 2. I think we will squeak by but this does not bode well for snake mountain.
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    Great post Scott.

    Preaching to the converted, but I appreciate your sentiment all the same. We need this to happen.

    We owe it not only to ourselves, but our kids too and I have every intention of sharing the power of He-Man with my son. Hence why I pre-ordered two castles, so we have one each.

    Granted it's a lot of money but I've waited most of my life for Grayskull. It's worth it. This is important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nephilim View Post
    Great post Scott.

    Preaching to the converted, but I appreciate your sentiment all the same. We need this to happen.

    We owe it not only to ourselves, but our kids too and I have every intention of sharing the power of He-Man with my son. Hence why I pre-ordered two castles, so we have one each.

    Granted it's a lot of money but I've waited most of my life for Grayskull. It's worth it. This is important.
    I agree 110%!!! I purchased 2 here as well, one for me and one for my kids.

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    Awesome post TG. I can't swing it no matter what (space, finacially, got a new baby coming, work still iffy) but for those that can I hope they get it! I would hate to deny anyone their holy grail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlo View Post
    i remember when my mom bought me the 80's grayskull for 24.99 back in 84.

    how much is that in todays dollars?
    I just bought the vintage one a few months ago for a whopping $10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-man View Post
    yeah its always risky, ill probaby still get it, but i can see some fans being a bit nervous about forking out the cash. i think matty should've done 200 bucks even. that seems a bit more reasonable - not sure of this, but i thought that was going to be the price in the first place - but i dont remember for sure.
    Yeah, if I could've had this for $200-250 flat without having to worry about all the extra fees (customs, shipping) it would've likely been an instant buy.

    Pushing it over $300 is, well, pushing it (for me anyway).
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    I preordered, but unless they get a slew of additional preorders from holdouts the next few days, it doesn't look like even the minimum will be met. :/. Then again, the 2013 sub took until the last day or so to meet the goal, so....
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    I, for one, feel the BTTF Hoverboard comparisons and comments are totally off-base.

    Sure, it's the same company, but that's like using complaints about the (IMO poor quality) Retro RGB figures to predict the quality of MOTUC Two Bad.

    As far as I know, the FOUR HORSEMEN didn't work on the Hoverboard.

    Want an accurate predictor of CG's quality?
    Try looking at the WIND RAIDER.
    One of the highest quality, most elegantly-crafted, fan-approved toy item ever released!

    If you just don't want CG, or think it's too expensive, that's perfectly understandable "as is".
    But inventing arguments is a little ridiculous IMO.

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    Want an accurate predictor of CG's quality?
    Try looking at the WIND RAIDER.
    One of the highest quality, most elegantly-crafted, fan-approved toy item ever released!

    You took an unfortunate example as far as quality is concerned, I'm afraid : some Wind Raiders were missing their laser cannons, others had problems with the anchor's launching device, some were missing the back rudder, and paint issues were also reported (when you let a figure sitting in the Wind Raider for too long, some paint from the figure would "peal" and stick on the Wind Raider's seat, or the Wind Raider's seat paint would "peal" and stick to the figure's derrière)...

    Matty was not able to release a good quality vehicle with he Wind Raider...

    Matty encountered many QC issues with the MOTUC figures.

    I'm not so certain we should trust Matty or put blindly our faith and confidence into the fact that Castle Grayskull will be flawless...
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    i know this makes me a bad fan but heres my view:

    while i want a CG extremely bad the money it costs is ridculous. i can easily buy a vintage boxed one for the same price if not less and that would be a much cooler and harder to get item than this brand new one which we cant even get a gaurantee on how it will really turn out. plus i already have the 200x one which i dont think is too bad. and thats not on display so im sure a new one i get wouldnt be either.

    so i kinda hope this doesnt meet the preorder goal. because if they dont make it i dont miss out on anything. if it does go through ill end up preordering in january because i dont think i can live with out having it if i know its been made. is this wrong, probably so but thats how i honestly feel and probably others feel the same way.

    and i know CG is much more iconic and crucial to the story but again i feel the 200x one is good enough. id much rather spend this money on a snake mountain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prahvus View Post
    You took an unfortunate example as far as quality is concerned, I'm afraid : some Wind Raiders were missing their laser cannons, others had problems with the anchor's launching device, some were missing the back rudder, and paint issues were also reported (when you let a figure sitting in the Wind Raider for too long, some paint from the figure would "peal" and stick on the Wind Raider's seat, or the Wind Raider's seat paint would "peal" and stick to the figure's derrière)...

    Matty was not able to release a good quality vehicle with he Wind Raider...
    I have 4 of them and all of mine were fine. If I was to guess I bet the main problem was missing parts.

    And I would have to agree that the Wind Raider is one of the greatest toys ever made.
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