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    Filmation figures and the MOTUC buck

    Hello, everyone. I'm a cherry picker: and I'm mostly interested in the figures that draw inspiration mainly from the old Filmation series. Those particular figures strike a chord of nostalgia like the others don't. However, even though they're awesome, they'll never be n exact representation of the Filmation design. I'm not talking about the extra details on the sculpt, Im talking about another thing that I've NEVER seen mentioned in these forums, video reviews or in blogs.

    The MOTUC buck is too muscular.

    Back in the day, Roger Sweet's vision was to create this line of toys were the characters had muscles that don't even exist on us humans: he wanted He-Man to make Schwarzenegger look like a wimp. But then came the comics and the Filmation toon, and those rendered the MOTU characters like a normal comic book superhero character.

    So no MOTUC figure will ever look like his cartoon counterpart because of this. And yet I never hear anyone mention it. Anyone know why?

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    i think it's because the figures themselves are pretty awesome. and outside of hasbros 30th gi joe line and mattels wwe elite line, motuc is the king of the action figure mountain. so even though there are imperfections its hard to criticize something thats been so rad.

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    I'd say it's pretty much because MOTUC pulls from all sources and reinterprets the characters and designs as if they'd been part of the vintage toy line. For example, if Fang Man had a toy back then, he'd very likely have been as muscular as the other figures on the pegs.

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    I think Randor disagrees.

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    Filmation characters were wayyy more beefy than their corresponding superhero toons at the time. They did hire bodybuilders to provide the foundation for their stock action sequences. The only major difference I see is definition. Too many lines on the body can break up the look of the character a bit.

    The other issue is: the vintage figs are actually proportionately more pumped than MOTUC! They're about 5.5 inches to MOTUC's average of just over 7 but almost tied for width.
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    I don't think anyone really cares that's why no one has mentioned it. This isn't a filmation toyline even though it now takes characters and inspiration from filmation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merso View Post
    So no MOTUC figure will ever look like his cartoon counterpart because of this. And yet I never hear anyone mention it. Anyone know why?
    Probably because the Filmation models were nothing more than simplified versions of the vintage action figures themselves due to the limitations of animation at the time, barring a few exceptions. Most of the animation models were heavily based on previous Filmation cartoons as well. He-Man looks like John Blackstar, Teela looks like Princess Aura, and so on. Had those limitations not existed, you most likely would have seen buffer characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merso View Post
    Hello, everyone. I'm a cherry picker: and I'm mostly interested in the figures that draw inspiration mainly from the old Filmation series. Those particular figures strike a chord of nostalgia like the others don't. However, even though they're awesome, they'll never be n exact representation of the Filmation design. I'm not talking about the extra details on the sculpt, Im talking about another thing that I've NEVER seen mentioned in these forums, video reviews or in blogs.

    The MOTUC buck is too muscular.

    Back in the day, Roger Sweet's vision was to create this line of toys were the characters had muscles that don't even exist on us humans: he wanted He-Man to make Schwarzenegger look like a wimp. But then came the comics and the Filmation toon, and those rendered the MOTU characters like a normal comic book superhero character.

    So no MOTUC figure will ever look like his cartoon counterpart because of this. And yet I never hear anyone mention it. Anyone know why?
    Simple, the Filmation male models were all based on one real well built guy they used as a sit in originally, as was the female model....the toys have over pumped muscles, then and now. But in all honesty, Adam, Randor, Adora and all look just as good in the Classics line as they did in the cartoon, over pumped males or not.
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    I would agree with most everyone here.

    They do look like Filmation. Randor for instance. Beautiful. I would argue that much like everyone else says that Eternos Randor is just a toy version of the cartoon one. The detailing of musculature and proportion is more noticeable in a toy than a character animation. So even taking for granted the loss of detail to streamline the animated character, that the detail is "still implied" in as much as we understand what it is representing.

    To take it another way, I like my sculpted hair, but if they produced the hair without some line details to imply separate strands, and just did a solid wavy lump, I could take either one. But we know the "hair" is there, so if there is added hair definition in a toy even though the cartoon didnt have that per sey, it isnt wrong.

    I'm thinking daphne from Scooby Doo.

    So anyway in the same way this line isnt 200x so it wont have the same design choices, neither is it a cartoon, nor cartoon accurate toyline, so it wont limit detail.

    It's just in the case of cartoon I dont think anyone wants to lose detail, and those that want that look, who I have heard pop up now and then, understood from the begining that it wasnt a cartoon line, especially since we ddint have access to the toon originally anyway, whereas we thought we may get more 200x, which is why they are more vocal in their unhappyness.

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    I have to agree with the majority here. The Classics look is pretty perfect in my eyes. I'm quite pleased with how Filmation designs are being translated to the toys. Bring on Shokoti, Lizard Man, Razz & Broom, Sea Hawk...
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    Quote Originally Posted by baronterror View Post
    I would agree with most everyone here.

    They do look like Filmation. Randor for instance. Beautiful. I would argue that much like everyone else says that Eternos Randor is just a toy version of the cartoon one. The detailing of musculature and proportion is more noticeable in a toy than a character animation. So even taking for granted the loss of detail to streamline the animated character, that the detail is "still implied" in as much as we understand what it is representing.

    To take it another way, I like my sculpted hair, but if they produced the hair without some line details to imply separate strands, and just did a solid wavy lump, I could take either one. But we know the "hair" is there, so if there is added hair definition in a toy even though the cartoon didnt have that per sey, it isnt wrong.

    I'm thinking daphne from Scooby Doo.

    So anyway in the same way this line isnt 200x so it wont have the same design choices, neither is it a cartoon, nor cartoon accurate toyline, so it wont limit detail.

    It's just in the case of cartoon I dont think anyone wants to lose detail, and those that want that look, who I have heard pop up now and then, understood from the begining that it wasnt a cartoon line, especially since we ddint have access to the toon originally anyway, whereas we thought we may get more 200x, which is why they are more vocal in their unhappyness.
    Good point, I dont want these figures to look like Simpsons figures, but I do love how the Simpsons figures look.

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    The driving aesthetic is not that of Filmation, but rather that of the vintage toys.
    Maybe some day there will be a Filmation cartoon-inspired toy line.

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