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    Recent Design Choices in MOTUC

    I know what I am about to discuss has been spoken about before, but I just read something that got me thinking about it again. While I don't necessarily agree with the way MirrorBlue presented his/her argument, or even some of their examples, Scott's answer did make me ponder some things. Here was the original Question and Answer on Ask Matty:

    http://forums.mattycollector.com/eve...7/m/3711085897

    Scott's example on how Terry made Shadow Weaver "richer purple" was a revision that worked really well, in my opinion. And, personally, I'm fine with the red snakes coming out of Snake Face's chest. However, he continues to say, "When you change a figure into an articulated toy made of plastic, colors that worked in a prototype often don't work in a toy. That is Ruben and his design team's job. And they work hand and hand with the Horsemen to come up with the end result."

    This brings me to Bubble Power She-Ra, a figure that's paintmaster had bright white applied and so did the final figure. I always saw this as an improvement on She-Ra 1.0, partly because collectors and fans commented on how gray the original figure's whites were. If it was possible to maintain the white portions of her figure, something that started with the Four Horsemen's paintmaster and was eventually executed by Terry and his design team, then why isn't it possible for Frosta, a SNOW queen and Netossa to maintain the white applications as originally seen in their Paintmasters?

    Scott continues to say, "Not every choice will work for every fan, but that is all part of the creative process." The issue with this is, there were several instances where collectors, fans, and toy reviewers stated their concerns that Frosta needed to have her WHITE paint application from the moment she was revealed at NYTF. Up until SDCC, adjustments were still being made on her in regards to her face deco. With the concerns of white paint being stressed between these conventions, how could it seem like a logical design choice to go with gray when it is apparently possible to execute white? Even without the public being vocal....snow is white; brilliant white, even. That's a no-brainer. Plus, there was already the experience with She-Ra and the white VS gray on her.

    So, you can see why this particular response had me confused, because things just don't add up. Obviously, I don't have all the facts. If Scott or Reuben see this, please feel free to explain the thought process on this by addressing these questions.

    And, if anyone else has opinions regarding this, please share them. But, please do so in a respectful and productive manner. Thank you.

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    What the hell does paint have to do with getting a paint sample prototype to work as a figure? The paint doesn't affect articulation or how a figure is put together.

    "Not every choice will work for every fan, but that is all part of the creative process."

    Um....how about when it works for almost no fans? Like Black plastic, Stinkor's forearms & Frosta's blunders....

    Maybe it should say "it's our ****, we'll do what we want, and if it ****** the fans off....oh well, we throw them bones every so often, they can deal with it"

    Stick to the damn 4H designs, and colors, it works. I'll give them Shadow Weaver, but even the paint sample was still good, all they had to do was tone it down a bit, not go all Orko on her.

    "It's their job" to screw things up when they see fit is more like it....Tell me how was Stinkor's correctly sculpted forearms affecting the final design so that they had to be changed to POP....they were new forearms, despite having the Skeletor gloves, they were furry, and new, therefore the figure did not need to POP....just as stupid as the inclusion of the Clawful mace with the WP#3 in almost the same color, when something else more "fan demanded" could have been included.
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    Translation: if we think it'll look cooler, then we trump our consumer. We are the professionals here. Glad Bill decided to be the honest one here.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if the real reason Frosta was such an off white is because the factory had a bunch of that exact color laying around and offered a slightly cheaper rate to produce her with that color.
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    I wondered after Netossa was revealed if the gray color on Frosta was to avoid having 2 figures released so close together that were so similar in color scheme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barezz View Post
    I wondered after Netossa was revealed if the gray color on Frosta was to avoid having 2 figures released so close together that were so similar in color scheme.
    Netossa is only like a shade or 2 lighter than Frosta....in person, it's less noticeable. I mean, you can still tell a difference....but it's less noticeable. But still, Frosta should have been whiter. And really what difference would it have made if they were similar? I mean one figure clearly has a much notable difference, not to mention their outfits are much different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barezz View Post
    I wondered after Netossa was revealed if the gray color on Frosta was to avoid having 2 figures released so close together that were so similar in color scheme.
    I'd be willing to bet that is exactly the case.

    Now, logic would presume that Frosta would be the one to get pure white as she is a snow-based character. But I believe the reason that Neotessa had more white whites was actually because of anachronistic beliefs about race in toy lines.

    In the 80's, if you recall (specifically thinking the Hasbro/Sunbow properties, where I know some of the creators who have verified this as fact) most villains were white/Anglo-Saxon/etc. I actually know of one instance in particular where a writer was given the ability to make a new villain for a series and was going to make them black (simply to have more racial diversity in the show) and I have seen the actual memo where they were told they would have to be Austrailian or English because they would not allow someone of color to be shown as a vilian (basically, over-compensation or reverse-racism).

    Now, when it comes to Neotessa, I believe that same type of thought process was at play. First, I completely knew that she would be one of the first "true" PoP figures to be released, simply to increase racial diversity in the line (which is not a bad thing at all). That said, pitting her so close to Frosta and their similar color schemes, I have since presumed that they didn't want them to look too much alike, and even though logically if they were going to use different whites, because of the character herself Frosta really should have gotten the "white white", but somewhere along the line they gave it to Neotessa to avoid the remote possibility that someone would take offense to a dark skinned character getting off-white instead of white-white trim.

    I completely admit this is utter speculation on my part, but based on my knowledge of the decision making behind toy releases like this historically, it was the first thing that came to mind and it seems to follow based on the evidence presented.

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