And Dynamo of Eternia's point is also a good one. Had PoP actually been handled better, it probably would have been more of a boon to the line.
I think the obscure character selection has hurt the line more than it has helped though. Sure it's nice as a hardcore fan to get those lower tier characters, but how many casual fans are going to want to spend big bucks on the Star Sisters, Griffin, Dekker, and the Fighting Foe Men?
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It's unlikely vintage would have finished to completion without characters from POP, NA, 200X etc. included in the line, because MOTUC relies heavily on parts sharing.
And while there's figures that can share parts with each other in MOTU, a lot of the more unique sculpts from vintage would have very few or no characters to share parts with. Doing POP gave Mattel an opportunity to get more uses out of the Teela mold, for example.
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Ok cuz we are close I can let out a few hints. We will def. see a girl. There is a 2 pak coming that's not horde troopers. and some other BIG items might be revealed now, if not they will def be at SDCC. Those are good hints, but I can't say anymore... except that there is some AMAZING stuff coming that NO ONE will expect!!!
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Good hints but bummer about the troopers....unless the two pack you're hinting about isn't in the sub......
Is it fair enough to say that I think there is still a chance we could get the troopers this year?
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It would be better to say that Horde Troopers are coming as part of 2013
Well for me anyway
Good news on seeing a "girl", makes me wonder which one. Would love it to be Glimmer, but I can't imagine getting to be that happy.
And OK about the line not ending with MOTU....Just how successful do you think it would have been without the line being spaced like it has been to encompass said eras? As much as I love POP, alone, they would not have lasted long past the main main characters like She-Ra, Swiftwind & Bow, especially if Mattel had never gotten the Filmation rights to use any characters outside the doll line. And not to mention, most people have to be die hard fans or extreme collectors to buy figures they have never heard of, Comic fans may know comic characters, but not many outside of them would, and do you think there is enough demand for some of those to produce the figures without something like Vintage MOTU backing them? Not very likely.
So as I said, we wouldn't even be here discussing this if the line was a pure MOTU Vintage rehash, it would have been done likely sometime in 2010, early 2011, because as the purists like to point out, they would only have bought those figures, and no others. But the line as it is, forces everyone to wait for their favorites and later less media used characters. So therefore the line has lasted this long simply because the purists have been made to wait allowing POP, NA & unmade 200X characters to come into the line.
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But look at all the tooling that went toward other characters and their accessories from the other eras. Making 60 some characters is alot easier than 100 characters and a Griffin, especially with the 100% tooled Gygor/Shadowbeast, Swiftwind and Granamyr.
To the purely vintage fan, if the line was only vintage characters, it ending would have been a good thing -- "The line ended and I finished the entire vintage MOTU collection!" Every Master, every Evil Warrior, every Snake Man and every Horde is done. Three cheers for Toyguru and the 4H for finishing MOTU!
That would be pretty cool I would prefer Glimmer of course, but Castaspella is good too
And I would be stoked to get Madam Razz! Such an important character that has been overlooked for far too long.
Regardless, as other have been pointing out, I think the line would have ended a good while back, whether with cheers or a whimper, had it just been vintage Motu. I think it's better for the brand as a whole that it's still around and relevant in the culture.
I agree with you, though, that character selection has been gobsmackingly bad at times and has undoubtedly caused problems with the health of the line. Even as an outspoken proponent of PoP, and someone who personally loves my Star Sisters figures, it seemed like a dubious choice at best at that particular time in the line.
So, the alternate (just an alternate "what if" like we're all doing):
MotU didn't get a good start because nobody knew it existed. **** poor advertising made selling even He-Man and Skeletor a slow process, which at the time we didn't even notice. It wasn't until the sell out's that we took notice later in the year.
That whole year was vintage, and every time a new figure came out, the line did better. In fact, it got to the point to where Mattel may have decided they need to keep this up. Just like they would have done with every other line had they been so popular. This was shaping up to be the biggest line ever, so what else do you do but add as much content to sell as possible. There was always the extra exclusive planned, but the success of the line and figures like He-Ro (who was a gamble at the time because he wasn't widely known, so he became SDCC material) caught the attention by way of sales. 2009 (all vintage, including Green Goddess & He-Ro) proved that this line was a success. Plastic gold.
So they start throwing stuff in, the more the merrier. And they tested the waters with the first PoP character. Who had the bonus of actually being an A-List PoP character, and a never before made character, and let's face it, a Filmation character. They said the didn't expect her to sell well, but she blasted away. Now, by this time people were buying anything MotUC. Anything. AND, this was a figure that really cross pollinated, so it just couldn't loose. Vintage fans were still enamored with the line, and A-list PoP figures wouldn't dissuade them at all at this point. Even to follow, with Catra, and for Bow. at least they were A-Listers. And vintage people were still buying everything up, and PoP fans were dipping in for some action as well.
Everything seems good! And soon NA was dropping in, more and more prototypes, mini comics stuff, whatever they could do to spread the line out.
Meanwhile, fans of the original Masters of the Universe were starting to notice too many months with stuff they didn't care about. Sure, PoP (and other) fans were getting involved here and there. But to what extent? Could it cover the casual fans who were departing? Were more PoP fans dropping money on subs for two figures a year, or were more fans of the original series getting disenchanted by NA, random blunders, PoP characters, and other things that didn't add to the fire, but instead suffocated it.
Well, we are starting to see a little more PoP. Is the line doing better? We're seeing less and less of vintage, is the line doing worse? Would the line actually be considered a failure if every vintage figure was already released along with some nice mini comic additions and never before made vintage series stuff. That's not a failure just because they aren't on sale anymore, and everybody has complete collections. That's a success to vintage collectors, just like a PoP line that ran it's course would have been a success to PoP collectors, if that would have sustained. And it probably would have done well, if they approached it like they did with vintage, and knocked out over 10 A-Listers in a single year. It would have sold less, but enough to maybe keep it going, especially sense theyuse a crazy amount of shared parts.
That's just a point of view. And I'm trying to be honest and I'm of course not upset about us getting She-Ra, Swiftwind, Adora and Catra. But PoP didn't save anything guys. And if there are that many PoP fans out there dumping money into a line that produces like 2 figures a year for them, and 14 others$, and multipacks$$ and beasts$$$, then you'll probably see a PoPC line right after this dies, because that's a cash cow. But think about that. Is that how people spend their money out in the non-crazed-motu-fan-community, aka the real world? Probably not. If it is true, then you guys have been drinking way too much of Scott's Kool-Aid.
Hey, maybe he sees this and is trying to sneak more PoP in there, as part of his master plan to include everything that started off with the vintage card back figures (pft). But maybe, who knows, maybe, that's the reason sales are declining at the same rate at which more and more alternate figures are introduced.
LONG LIVE PoP!!!! Seriously, just so you know I'm not a hater. They should have had their own line.
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Castaspella has been mentioned a lot, and if a two pack isn't Horde Troopers, this is the only two pack I can think of that makes sense as a real legit two pack. Hoverbots would likely be too small for a two pack, almost better suited for a three pack or a pack in with another figure along the lines of Kowl, Loo-Kee and Imp.
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I guess Shokoti is out of the running....
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Not to be rude, but is this information generally accurate? I just don't know who people are, sorry.
That will be a fun two pack if it's not troopers, but still A-listers. I can easily see troopers being single carded as well, but that doesn't make as much sense.
I think a Shokoti and Masque two pack would be Filmation genius, and also cover the girl aspect. That would be very very cool. But not army builder, hmm. Filmation monsters of some kind? Not very fan demanded really, hmm. Modulok and Multibot. That would be insane. this is going to be great, whatever it is.
I can't think of who I would want the lady to be. Is it going to be a hero because Octavia should be out next? So like, Angela would be my pick? Unless Double Trouble can be good. I'd prefer Scorpia. Madam Razz and Broom wouldn't be terrible. I like Broom a lot, but like you guys said, that's so small. Man, I'm bad at this.
I know they were stingy on Netossa's accessories, but dang if Broom or Kowl wasn't a pack in with anybody. That would be insane. Kowl would make the least desirable PoP figure amazing to me.