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    New Valiant Comics toy line?

    David Vonner, former lead designer for Hasbro has been teasing his latest project;





    These certainly look like current Valiant Comics characters;

    Bloodshot







    and Shadowman




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    An interesting idea, if they can ever get interest from retailers.

    Problem with Valiant, it's not a known company. Stockholders forced Shooter out of the company early on(face it, Jim Shooter was nothing but a whipping boy for much of the comic industry), and ended up tanking it. They sold to a video game company for cheap, which barely used the stock Valiant stuff and made their own reboot. then Acclaim folded and sold off Valiant for pennies on the dollar, minus what Gold Key got back- which without those characters the rest of it wasn't worth much.

    And even then... people recognize Turok for his video game(of which is Gold Key now) and Shadow Man is known for his video game. Making toys of the current Valiant books, with no toys of the video game versions or even classic 90s Valiant versions, seems almost like retail suicide. I know people want the Shadow Man N64 game on the virtual download networks(rather see the superior PC version on Steam or something, the N64 version was decent but not even close), but I never hear anyone talking about the comics that came before it. I think if it hadn't been for Acclaim, Valiant would have rotted away, and some of the companies best games(or rather, the games they published which were any good) were the Valiant licenses.

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    How do you know they are trying to get into Walmart, Toys R Us and Target? They could survive simply by being sold in online stores and via Diamond's Distribution or even DKE Toys which sells these smaller lines

    IMHO its almost suicide to try to go through Mass Retail unless you are a major company with a mass media idea
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    If these look good I'll definitely be picking them up! The Valiant line from the beginning in the 90's was great, started to suffer after it got "bigger" then with Acclaim purchasing the company. The new line has been pretty stellar so far.

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    I have really got in to the new series. I never read any Valiant comics previously but I knew of the characters.

    I started this new series with Bloodshot and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I also got Shadowman which was okay but the other series I just finished is Harbinger. Damn, that is one pretty decent comic and I highly recommend it.

    Valiant is a nice change from the other superhero comics out there from Marvel and DC. If you were interested in the new series but weren't sure then I suggest you grab some of the One Dollar Debut issues when they hit in May to help make up your mind.

    Plus, they may have these new toys coming soon which is the whole point of this thread

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    Just wondering if anyone else has heard any news from Vonner or elsewhere about the Valiant action figures. I haven't seen anything other than those minimates, vinyl figs, and statues. I am not into stylized vinyl figures or statues, so those do nothing for me. I know that Valiant has a 5 film deal to bring Harbinger and Bloodshot to the screen in the next couple of years. Could they be holding out until then, perhaps?
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    Truth be told, having looked into the new Shadowman and even back at the old Valiant series... it's either the Acclaim version or no version for me. Mike was just a more interesting character than Jack.

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    I am finishing up "End Times" right now and it is not very good. If they bring Shadowman back for an ongoing series, hopefully they revamp it or something.

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    I really enjoyed the Shadowman video games and comics, especially the last series from 2012 so I would be interested in owning a Shadowman figure

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    Sooo....whatever happened with this toyline? Is it dead in the water or just seriously delayed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donimo View Post
    Sooo....whatever happened with this toyline? Is it dead in the water or just seriously delayed?
    I'd go on a limb and say Valiant is too obscure to have generated any interest. People mostly remember Valiant for Turok and Shadow Man from the video games. Valiant hasn't had Turok since the 90s when it went back to Gold Key's IP holders after Acclaim dissolved, and this Shadow Man doesn't look like the game version so people probably don't connect them.

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    They may have also put toys on the back burner since they're looking at TV/movies and it'd probably be easier to sell the toys if the characters were in other media.

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    Also, I think Dave Vonner - the original source of the teaser images - has changed gigs more than once since then. But it's probably a combination of all those factors stalling things out. I'm willing to be patient. If movies of the Valiant characters find their footing we'll see some kind of figures eventually.

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    Personally for me, it's the old Acclaim Shadow Man or nothing. It was an excellent game and probably the most well-known version of the character. The original Jack Boniface version was sort of boring and underdeveloped, made worse when Shooter was booted out of his own company and the new writing staff really had even less of an idea of what to do with Valiant as a whole. It's largely why the company tanked and sold off to Acclaim. Turok and Shadow Man are probably better known for the N64 games than the comics, and when Acclaim did the comics, they chose to reboot/change stuff rather than force new readers to go through years of back issues. The Shadow Man game doesn't really rely at all on the old Valiant books for lore(the one from the 1800s is plot-important somewhat, he sealed all those gates you have to open, while Jack is merely mentioned in the instructions once as Mike's predecessor), in fact many players didn't even know there was a comic.

    Thing is, if Acclaim's overall library were as good as those few games they may have remained in business. Unfortunately, they made poor use of that dev team and mostly pumped out awful shovelware, really it's a miracle they lasted as long as they did. They tried to save the comic division by bringing Shooter back, but when the people playing Turok aren't reading the comic or even know it exists, their comic division didn't last.

    Gold Key eventually got their assets back, and I believe the Valiant part of their assets were sold super cheap. Jim Shooter was the only one who seemed to want them. Someone else got the game assets, and I believe the current Acclaim company merely got just the name and logo. We've seen some Acclaim games re-released but it took time, and I'd wager the legal issues with Valiant's comic side and the games being in different hands delayed Shadow Man's release on Steam and GOG. Similar issues have hampered Turok.

    Shooter wants to go big with these? I've heard similar of Valiant before. He might get a TV show or movie out, but I'd wager the fans of the games won't even connect this Shadow Man to the game at all. Shooter was also the comic industry whipping boy- he was booted from Marvel when they needed a scapegoat to blame for multiple people making bad decisions, and booted from Valiant- the company HE created- when the shareholders wanted to merchandise heavily and didn't like his ideas. I'd guess at least some of the bad feeling towards him remains in the industry. He was also one of the key people involved in helping Hasbro even create the Transformers brand but he barely gets any credit for it.

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    Shooter isn't connected at all with the current Valiant.

    Current Valiant's been doing okay in the comic book marketplace and have a web short series in developme Ninjak vs the Valiant Universe (which has a trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQcLClgLfkg) as well as a deal with Sony to do Bloodshot and Harbinger movies.

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    I am only a fan of the rebooted Valiant stuff from 2012 to the present. I am not familiar with the older stuff. They have been doing really well. Plus, check out all the merch on their website! It would be nice to see those 6" action figures listed there too.

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