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    Quote Originally Posted by davidlogan View Post
    I agree. Many of the people who cancel now as a knee jerk reaction are going to regret it when the rest of us are enjoying our castles. I strongly recommend anyone who is thinking about canceling, to wait until after SDCC. You have no money tied up in it yet and nothing to lose by thinking it over for a few months.
    I agree, even though I am unhappy with some of the aspects of the current CG, I'll wait until SDCC to see what the production one looks like and what has been cut from the toyfair one. Even then I feel it may be too hard for me to cancel the order, as I know I'll probably regret it further on - put it this way, it would have to be a disastrous version of CG for me to cancel my preorder!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kowl View Post
    Rokkon & Stonedar are not hated/obscure, but they are pretty solid C-listers in my opinion. I think a good majority of folks would still love to get them though!
    Agreed! These two are highly wanted for MOTUC! And so is Granita by the way!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RocketPunch View Post
    July 18-21 (preview night on the 17th)



    We are paying customers, there's no need to be grateful. Mattel aren't doing us a favour by making these toys, they are a business. All they care about is making money.

    Fair enough, however the point I was making is what did you expect? We knew the playset was going to be under scaled al little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RocketPunch View Post
    All they care about is making money.
    That's the truth. Of course you would think if money was their top priority they would abandon this broken sub model which hurts the potential for new customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cryanmchsi View Post
    Fair enough, however the point I was making is what did you expect? We knew the playset was going to be under scaled al little.
    Of course we knew it was going to be under scaled a little, but not a moment before the pre-sale had ended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toyguru View Post
    Actually this was something the Horsemen added to the Castle. Credit where it is due!
    Hmm, kind of like how they, for no apparent reason, just decided to sculpt Lt. Spector as a Royal Guard? Those silly Horsemen, what will they think of next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PPC View Post
    Hmm, kind of like how they, for no apparent reason, just decided to sculpt Lt. Spector as a Royal Guard? Those silly Horsemen, what will they think of next?
    Yeah, that one will never get old:

    SN: So, um, yeah, I asked them, I said “Hey guys, what would you think if I was the white guy?”. And they were like, “Oh, totally, are you kidding?!?!”.
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    Regarding the Wind Raider piece... Just throwing an idea out there... You can fit the Wind Raider there, for an interesting display option... But remember that prototype we saw a few years back of the Battle Ram and Sky Sled? What are the odds that might still get made? And what are the odds there might be a similar socket underneath for the smaller vehicle?

    I personally think that would look pretty sweet in there!
    (Keep in mind I'm one of the few that thinks the Wind Raider socket piece is a cool idea.)
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    Mattel is obviously out to make money on their products. That's business.

    BUT

    I also think Mattel is doing us as MOTU fans PLENTY of favors by making these figures and putting up with a lot of BS from our vocal, entitled fanbase for 5+ years now. I still can't believe how hostile some are towards Toyguru/Mattel. I've been a MOTU fan my whole life, from the best of times to the worst of times. If you've been around through it all, you'd understand.

    Mattel has the BALLS to even attempt a Castle Grayskull playset in the year 2013 and people always gotta *****. It aint a POS made out of flimsy plastic and cardboard like that TMNT one. Of course it's going to cost twice as much. It aint at retail, it needs to be shipped, it's got incredible sculpting/paint work done on it, etc...

    I keep saying this, but I'll say it again....

    Toyguru goes out of his way for us CONSTANTLY. What other toy company gives a damn even close to that? He sends out review samples in a timely manner. He posts ALL THE TIME (even if it aint what you wanna hear, KEEP READING THE BIOS!). He goes on the RGD podcast when he can. The guy obviously cares about MOTU and our fandom. It's his job! I can't believe how people can be so ungrateful even downright *******s to the guy.

    Yeah Mattel has us by the you know what when it comes to this stuff. You love MOTU and you buy it or you don't. You don't go constantly *****ing about it though. That's just uncalled for, rude, and not necessary. Surely something better can be done with your time.

    I bet some days Toyguru wishes he was making toys for 4 year old children rather than 30+ something year old children. They probably don't ***** and moan and nitpick over an inch or two of Castle Grayskull's height for months on end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Marzo View Post
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    I also think Mattel is doing us as MOTU fans PLENTY of favors by making these figures and putting up with a lot of BS from our vocal, entitled fanbase for 5+ years now.
    With respect for some awesome figures and some hard working professionals, but it's not a favor of you're paid, and we pay through the teeth for our He-Man figures!

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    Well said CM. We get plenty of info (sometime maybe too much) thanks to TG. Almost no other toy company goes out of the way like that.

    One may not always like the things he says/does.... but the good far, FAR outweighs the bad.

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    Scott, keep up the great work! I know you and everyone else involved is working their hardest to give us the best product possible. Very excited about the changes you mentioned, and about the possibility of a furniture pack in the future!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Marzo View Post
    I bet some days Toyguru wishes he was making toys for 4 year old children rather than 30+ something year old children.
    I wish the exact same thing
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    I wish I could contribute anything to what you just said, but you just summed up exactly how I feel. The fact that this toyline exists is a favor to us. Yeah, they make enough to keep the lights over Scott's desk on, but it's not the difference between Hyundais and BMWs for all of the employees. MOTUC could end tomorrow and have a negligible effect on Matty's bottom line. So yeah, I'm willing to roll with small inadequacies, mistakes, or compromises.
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    Snake mountain and light hope castle next please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulgem View Post
    Harsh, but true. Sorry, but you oversold this one, TG, and failed to deliver. Just like with the Hoverboard.
    i personally don't mind the hoverboard. the only thing that was an outright inaccurate claim as far as the average movie fan is concerned was the promise of "Movie Quality sound effects". not sure where they got those effects, but it was definitely NOT BACK TO THE FUTURE.

    Ghostbusters got a bigger screw job with nothing but variants. trouble getting movie likenesses, fine..but there are HOW MANY ghosts from either the movie or RGB they could have done in the mean time? And don't get me started on the meco figures .

    As for CG, I'd be perfectly happy with keeping my pre-order if the price went down to $180. It'll even out to $200 with shipping anyway, but $250, I could just buy Icon Hero's version... An up in price and downscale in scale is not cool..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Marzo View Post
    Mattel is obviously out to make money on their products. That's business.

    BUT

    I also think Mattel is doing us as MOTU fans PLENTY of favors by making these figures and putting up with a lot of BS from our vocal, entitled fanbase for 5+ years now. I still can't believe how hostile some are towards Toyguru/Mattel. I've been a MOTU fan my whole life, from the best of times to the worst of times. If you've been around through it all, you'd understand.

    Mattel has the BALLS to even attempt a Castle Grayskull playset in the year 2013 and people always gotta *****. It aint a POS made out of flimsy plastic and cardboard like that TMNT one. Of course it's going to cost twice as much. It aint at retail, it needs to be shipped, it's got incredible sculpting/paint work done on it, etc...



    #Apologist
    Yes but the TMNT is an enlarged and improved version of what the original was..cardboard pieces or not. tons of display room and options on a scale that wasnt necessary considering the figures got scaled down slightly.
    And Mattel doing us a favor??? are you nuts. Justin Bieber is doing a favor to all the teen girls out there by singing..Apples current CEO is doing us a favor by pushing to launch more stupid phones at ridiculous prices that dont do too much more than the last one.... were doing Mattel a favor by paying for their CEO and management golf outings!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by He-loser View Post
    Yes but the TMNT is an enlarged and improved version of what the original was..cardboard pieces or not. tons of display room and options on a scale that wasnt necessary considering the figures got scaled down slightly.
    And Mattel doing us a favor??? are you nuts. Justin Bieber is doing a favor to all the teen girls out there by singing..Apples current CEO is doing us a favor by pushing to launch more stupid phones at ridiculous prices that dont do too much more than the last one.... were doing Mattel a favor by paying for their CEO and management golf outings!!
    I doubt any of us are paying for their CEO and management golf outings by buying He-Man figures off MattyCollector. Not while they're banking Barbie and Hot Wheels money everywhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The All American View Post
    I think Rokkon and Stonedar will be coming in 2014, as well as Blade, Saurod, and Gwildor. The others you mentioned may have to wait.
    Honestly, i don't understand why Rokkon and Stonedar would be included in a 'most hated' list... I LOVED rokkon.

    Anythign that gives he-man a giant boulder to throw is a win in MY book!


    As for the movie guys?? I REALLY expect Blade either this year or next year.

    1) They completely retooled the road map.

    2) Anthony Delongis made a video promoting the sub.


    Seriously, if your retooling ANYWAY, how can you NOT bump his figure into the 'must haves' catagory.

    I mean... space pirate/bounty hunter was always on MINE... but to have him come out and say NOPE... didn't make the cut even after the actor publicly supported us would be VERY poor form.

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    "You love MOTU and you buy it or you don't."

    My wife loves the show "The Bachelor". But every season she complains about the casting. She gets together with her girls every monday night and complains about the women on the show. Yet they still consider themselves "fans"

    I critique my beloved Phoenix Suns, the poor management, the mistakes the owners make, the players, but I still consider myself a "Suns fan"

    I will never understand people complaining about people complaining. Where else can we go to vent? Clearly we love the property if we're here but I can't imagine why there's so much discouragement to complain if that's your genuine feeling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Marzo View Post

    I bet some days Toyguru wishes he was making toys for 4 year old children rather than 30+ something year old children. They probably don't ***** and moan and nitpick over an inch or two of Castle Grayskull's height for months on end.

    #Apologist
    Indeed and 4 year olds wouldnt remember every little lie! Actually a splendid idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Marzo View Post
    I bet some days Toyguru wishes he was making toys for 4 year old children rather than 30+ something year old children. They probably don't ***** and moan and nitpick over an inch or two of Castle Grayskull's height for months on end.

    #Apologist
    And 4 year olds aren't dropping their own hard earned money on an item that is promoted one way and executed as something less than promised.

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    It's funny that TG's idea of "clearing the air" is by making a puff of smoke
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baena View Post
    Regarding the Wind Raider piece... Just throwing an idea out there... You can fit the Wind Raider there, for an interesting display option... But remember that prototype we saw a few years back of the Battle Ram and Sky Sled? What are the odds that might still get made? And what are the odds there might be a similar socket underneath for the smaller vehicle?

    I personally think that would look pretty sweet in there!
    (Keep in mind I'm one of the few that thinks the Wind Raider socket piece is a cool idea.)
    I'd love for the Battle Ram to come out. For me personally, I would easily pay $100 for the one that the 4H showed a few years ago. That being said, putting the Sky Sled in the interior of CG doesn't make anymore sense than putting the Wind Raider does. Sorry, there's no logical reason, IMO, to have a stand for a flying vehicle, in the interior of CG.

    Also, the TMNT lair is by far one of the coolest playsets I've ever seen. It may not have much in in terms of paint apps or accessories, but it is loaded with features. And it is huge. And costs less than half of what they want for CG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Marzo View Post
    Mattel is obviously out to make money on their products. That's business.

    BUT

    I also think Mattel is doing us as MOTU fans PLENTY of favors by making these figures and putting up with a lot of BS from our vocal, entitled fanbase for 5+ years now. I still can't believe how hostile some are towards Toyguru/Mattel. I've been a MOTU fan my whole life, from the best of times to the worst of times. If you've been around through it all, you'd understand.

    Mattel has the BALLS to even attempt a Castle Grayskull playset in the year 2013 and people always gotta *****. It aint a POS made out of flimsy plastic and cardboard like that TMNT one. Of course it's going to cost twice as much. It aint at retail, it needs to be shipped, it's got incredible sculpting/paint work done on it, etc...

    I keep saying this, but I'll say it again....

    Toyguru goes out of his way for us CONSTANTLY. What other toy company gives a damn even close to that? He sends out review samples in a timely manner. He posts ALL THE TIME (even if it aint what you wanna hear, KEEP READING THE BIOS!). He goes on the RGD podcast when he can. The guy obviously cares about MOTU and our fandom. It's his job! I can't believe how people can be so ungrateful even downright *******s to the guy.

    Yeah Mattel has us by the you know what when it comes to this stuff. You love MOTU and you buy it or you don't. You don't go constantly *****ing about it though. That's just uncalled for, rude, and not necessary. Surely something better can be done with your time.

    I bet some days Toyguru wishes he was making toys for 4 year old children rather than 30+ something year old children. They probably don't ***** and moan and nitpick over an inch or two of Castle Grayskull's height for months on end.

    #Apologist
    Isn't this whole *****-laden rant just a thinly-disguised "complaining about complaining" post?

    Not constructive at all, highly argumentative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Marzo View Post
    I also think Mattel is doing us as MOTU fans PLENTY of favors by making these figures and putting up with a lot of BS from our vocal, entitled fanbase for 5+ years now. I still can't believe how hostile some are towards Toyguru/Mattel. I've been a MOTU fan my whole life, from the best of times to the worst of times. If you've been around through it all, you'd understand.
    I've been there from the first appearance in DC Comics presents, through MOTU, NA, and into 2002. I was there for Mattel's final word to the fans on the 2002 line, which basically blamed us for not buying up all the SB He-Mans they flooded the market with and wished us a lot of luck getting the snake wave from overseas. Mattel started this line with some very bad water under the bridge. As for vocal fans, you completely and totally ignore what 90% of the legitimate complaints are about DR and the most pathetic excuse for a website on the net. These guys can't even get late 90's level functions working right. When I was trying to deal with these bozos, I had my subs cancelled twice in one year before they mixed my account up with someone else's and tried to charge me for purchases I didn't make. I'm to thank them for something that could have bee considered credit card fraud? From exorbitant shipping to cancelled subs to charging the wrong card to countless other foul-ups, the ineptitude of Digital River is unchallenged by any e-tailer I have dealt with. Yes, folks have been vocal, and with VERY good reason.

    Mattel has the BALLS to even attempt a Castle Grayskull playset in the year 2013 and people always gotta *****. It aint a POS made out of flimsy plastic and cardboard like that TMNT one. Of course it's going to cost twice as much. It aint at retail, it needs to be shipped, it's got incredible sculpting/paint work done on it, etc...
    And that is laudable. It is a bold move, and I do understand the cost of the castle. I even understand the scaling down. My problem is we were told when we pre-ordered that the accessories shown in the b sheet would be there, at least those and no less. IN WRITING. Now we are told Mattel may change their mind. Had they not given people the option of cancelling, that would actually have been a legitimate case of mail fraud according to the postal service (as it is against the law to take payment for promised services or products and then not deliver those things). And it is not the first time they have guaranteed something in writing and then reneged. Please defend that, if you can.

    Toyguru goes out of his way for us CONSTANTLY. What other toy company gives a damn even close to that? He sends out review samples in a timely manner. He posts ALL THE TIME (even if it aint what you wanna hear, KEEP READING THE BIOS!). He goes on the RGD podcast when he can. The guy obviously cares about MOTU and our fandom. It's his job! I can't believe how people can be so ungrateful even downright *******s to the guy.
    It is true, there are times that the TG bashing gets way too personal, and at those times I, myself, have spoken up in his defense. But he has also been responsible for some of the aforementioned promises, as with the castle accessories, and then turned around and said, "Oh ,we can't do that." He got caught in a flat out contradiction when he claimed that they never promised that subs bought in the same transaction would ship together from the very first month, even though that very assurance was still up on page at Matty. Yes, we get more info on this line than I've seen from other companies, but that is balanced by the fact that many things we are told and sometimes guaranteed in writing turn out to be wrong. People get mad when they are promised something and then do not get it. THat's not entitlement, it's simply expecting the company to live up to its end of our contract.

    Yeah Mattel has us by the you know what when it comes to this stuff. You love MOTU and you buy it or you don't. You don't go constantly *****ing about it though. That's just uncalled for, rude, and not necessary. Surely something better can be done with your time.
    Says the man spending a whole bunch of paragraphs defending Mattel. Seriously, neither of us would be here talking at length if we didn't both care about this property, and we probably do spend more time than we should doing so. But, as you noted, we're the old timers who've been with the property since the beginning, and it does mean something to us both. As such, sometimes the discussion gets more heated than it should (and we've both been guilty of that at times, we must both admit).

    I bet some days Toyguru wishes he was making toys for 4 year old children rather than 30+ something year old children. They probably don't ***** and moan and nitpick over an inch or two of Castle Grayskull's height for months on end.

    #Apologist
    He knew the job was dangerous when he took it.

    Seriously, yes, sometimes we go too far, and we do nitpick. But there are SERIOUS problems with both the line and especially the site itself that cannot and SHOULD NOT be ignored. When you have figures with parts deteriorating, cracking, paint chipping of blastic, and a site that barely functions at the tech level of the 90's, there is lot to make issue with. Mattel has some major blunders under their belt that they should be taken to task for, and it isn't being entitled for paying customers to do exactly that.

    And just for the record, it is truly Mattel that should thank us for keeping this line going despite their endless string of foul-ups and broken promises. Few folks would be so dedicated to a property that they would continue to do business with a website so poorly managed and designed, and a company that goes back on so many of its guarantees with such ease.
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