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And you can believe that if he had said "No promises on the size! It's always possible He-Man will barely fit through the door, you know, given inevitabilities in the toy industry..." we wouldn't have met the pre-order quota.
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Thanks for the update, Scott! I always appreciate how much you do for the fanbase, MOTUC is the greatest and keeps getting better every year! Don't let some of these guys around here get to you, I think you should be proud of what you and your team has accomplished.
Now bring on Castle Grayskull!
Hey Matty, Snake Mountain rocks! Please don't downsize it!
Thank you, Toyguru!
Don't know why everyone's *****ing about it. The vintage Castle Grayskull didn't have much headroom for the vintage figures either:
Also, who is going to actually "play" with their toys and make He-Man keep answering the door? Is Skeletor going to knock, leave a flaming bag of Panthor **** and run away? Is that his next evil plan? Go buy a Barbie Dreamhouse if you want to play house and answer the door for Ken.
I'm leaving the door closed most of the time anyways.
althugh I do appreciate the tone of Scott's post and the fact that there seems to be a bit more humility than usual, I also have to say thatt, as far as the content is concerned, I do not see anything new at all in his post.
So, could anyone please clarify to me what exactly is new in his post and why it is so overwhelmingly positively received?
He said exactly the same stuff as before:
- "This is your Castle Grayskull folks." Buy it or cancel, it's your decision.
- "I wish it was bigger but it isn't." Not a word about his prior promises and videos and not a reason given how they could so totally screw up their cost estimate. No explanation how a spec sheet datedDecember 2012 can be so fundamentally different from what was revealed in February 2013.
- "We'll cut more stuff." Again not a word about his promise that we'll get all the stuff from the b-sheet , possibly more but not less.
- "We'll look into the jawbridge and throne issues". While I do appreciate it, this is no news. He already said so in the Feb 26th Q&A. The slots for the sword and key where mentioned weeks ago.
- "I'm very passionate"
- "You're very passionate"
- "The 4H are very passionate"
- "Ruben is very passionate"
- "MOTUC is a 6 inch line"
So please, anyone, tell me what the news is?
Again, I appreciate what Scott is trying to do here but, seriously, what exactly is the "update" or "new info" that everyone seems to be thanking him for?
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What secured the pre-orders were the visuals and the verbal descriptions given by Toyguru in multiple venues.
The biggest problem with this entire thread is that Scott seems to want to treat this as "business like usual" . . . give the needy fans some lip service, a phoned-in apology and a pat on the back, and all is well.
Thing is, this isn't "business as usual" this time. This isn't one of the usual screw-ups with shipping, or defective figures, that at most cause someone a minor annoyance on a $20 product that many people can replace without much harm to Mattel or the customer.
Grayskull is $250. TWO-HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS. This is a LOT of money (for ANYBODY) to spend on a toy item. This is not a "collectible" item, because this is Mattel we're talking about. This is a toy. It won't be premium plastic with premium paint ops or premium packaging. It'll be what we've seen thus far. Which is fine, and serviceable, as long as the final product works as originally advertised.
So what was once some insignificant grumbling over Webstor's zipline NOT, in fact working "just like you remember" becomes disappointed fans who are at the end of their rope with all things Mattel taking their $250 and walking.
So what, right? A few fans, vocal minority, who cares? Well, Mattel should care in this instance, because even if it's four fans. JUST four. That's $1,000 . . . gone. Twenty canceled orders becomes FIVE GRAND, and . . . well, we all can do the math if SDCC still shows us He-Man bumping his head. This may be a "niche, über-boutique" line, but money is still money to Mattel, which is apparently what they exist to solely care about, and thousands of dollars is a pretty steep price to pay for (thus far inexplicably) reducing the size of the Castle.
Sorry, but although there are plenty of us who don't love this or that or wish this or that would change... the vast majority of people still like or love Castle Grayskull. Right now a whopping total of FOUR people have cancelled Grayskull out of thousands and thousands of orders.
I can say this VERY safely as someone who has to read (literally) every post in ever thread on this sub forum, but the number of people with substantial issues with the Castle (to the point of cancellation, certainly) are very, very tiny in the context of even the posters on the .Org, let alone the wider fan base for He-man.
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Scott, im one of your toughest critics but even this post has made me question canceling my CG order this morning. Im a guy who grew up on motu like all the rest of us. I would love to have everything from this line if i could afford it...well prolly not Spector. ..But with a 2300 dollar mortgage and a 700 dollar preschool and a 300 dollar car payment. I just cant make these commitments...Thats why i can never join Club Eternia. Im what these boards call a cherry picker..And im happy to have picked at least about 30 tasty cherries so far. When CG presale came i ordered 1st day. Because i felt now thats a commitment i can make to show support for this line. However something happened when i saw the reveal...i just didn't feel wowed...i thought hmm what do i tell the wife when i spend 300 bucks on that im not enamored with. I didn't even bother voting on the box art. So assuming nothing would change i had to cancel to relieve the weight. Hopefully i wont regret that to much.
I wish you could offer us financial burdened fans something in 2014. I think the presale for cg was a step in the right direction. There are many figures i missed because of dos stock or just plain broke. Now early access buys snub us cherry pickers. I know you have to spice things up for loyal subscribers but its driving us cherry pickers to quit the line.
Despite all, i still wish there were some affordable way i could help support the line. I wish there were a Club Eternia Lite, similar to the mini lines like Filmation and 30th. I think it would be great to do line just dedicated to Reissues, to help Fans catch up on figures that were sold out in 2 minutes and most demanded reissues. No quarterlys, No 70 dollar 3 packs. Fans could vote on who would be in the line. You don't even need to do an exclusive. The molds are already made so you have full knowledge of cost and no surprises to subscribers.
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Thanks for the update, TG! I am so very happy to have a Castle Grayskull in the Classics line! I can't wait to see the final playset at SDCC!
So how much say did we have in the vintage line? Pretty sure it was close to none. Some "fans" sense of entitlement with this line is ridiculous. This castle looks great. The entire line is only around because of scott. It seems like MOTUC is not something mattel needs to be doing...it turns just enough profit to let it continue...so if people start cancelling left and right toy guru will get axed along with the rest of the line...then we get nothing. why do people try to ruin everything when its not up to their personal standards.
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The positives,the fact he is talking about 2014 and 2015 happening and a hint perhaps at more than one exclusive for sdcc.
So I love the castle,but I am a matty brain washed idiot.....correct? Could the castle be better,yes. So could you. Nothing is perfect,if you hate it so much cancel your orders,someone else will buy them day of.
Oh,and yeah if not for Scott,no way would this line be here now. It would have crashed years ago.
This is a fan site for motu,right?
So a smaller castle or no castle at all.......um.....yeah....I go with the smaller castle.
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The 2-3 inch decrease in an originally 25" tall castle (a decrease of around 10% in height) translates into a decrease of around 25% in overall size (volume and enclosed space), because the castle is a three-dimensional object and the decrease has to affect all three dimensions at the same shrinking rate to keep the castle's proportions (otherwise the castle would appear to have been punched from above with a giant hammer while keeping the same width and depth as the original B sheet).
So the decrease percentage gets cubed, and cubic growth is significantly more drastic than linear growth, which means relatively small differences measured along one dimension get hugely amplified when the difference affects the whole object proportionally along its 3 dimensions.
I've posted the detailed math in the relevant thread, but since it seems some people still don't get it, I'll repeat a short summary:
(~10% less height)³ = (0.9)³ = 0.73 = ~25% less overall size
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I doubt Scott will read this exact post, but I sure do appreciate what he does for MOTU and how he responds to fans.
We meet a lot of people in life that we respect and like that let us down some times, though.
I for one and still willing to trust and wait at least for SDCC before I post or worry about this again. That's four months of Castle Grayskull worries. I bet He-Man wishes he had that much time to forget about Grayskull.
Of all the things being scrapped, why is the Wind Raider "floor" not top of the list?? It is an absolute POINTLESS accessory given the Wind Raider already comes with a stand.