Catra deserves at least one more version.
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The best solution would be to keep Scorpia in the main sub and perhaps Madame Razz in a 6 figure Filmation sub, so fans can afford both. 24 figures plus quarterlies is overkill and likely too much for fans to afford making them choose one sub or the other
Perhaps if they made both subs 12 figures each it could work... I'd sooner they nuke the oversized and variant quarterly items anyway (maybe include a $30 figure like Modulok within the 12 monthlies)
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My top 10 characters: 10/Filmation Ram Man, 9/Uncle Montork & Dree-Elle, 8/Kothos, 7/Filmation Mer-Man, 6/Granita, 5/Filmation Leech, 4/Filmation Tung Lashor, 3/Twiggets (Sprag, Sprocker and Spritina), 2/Hunga the Harpy, 1/Dylamug.
Actually, this is the way the Fab Four have always done their sculpting, according to every interview I've read with them where the subject comes up. They like to have some control over the aesthetic of the joints, so they basically sculpt the figure with the joints in place (not working joints, I'd assume, but sculpted so that the joints and their placement and shape are apparent). There are some prototypes they have of Duncan from 2002 with more Marvel Legends style articualiton in place that I've seen in photos from their workshop. I assume Design then takes these and works in the real joints. I recall one time when the said the design team had to thicken a part somewhere to accomodate a joint that would have been too fragile otherwise, so that would tell me the joint was there in some form when they got it. And haven't some of the two-up protos we've seen (some even unpainted) with articulation actually in place come directly from the Horsemen's studio, rather than Mattel's?Originally Posted by bigsexy_j
So according to Scott now, the 4H make all the decisions for articulation based upon they're "unarticulated sculpt" as he's called it. So articulation decisions are up to the horsemen and final sculpting and colours is left to design to make the figures pop. Sounds bass ackwards to me.
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Three new answers are up! Looks like Snake Mountain is off the table until we get these remaining characters out of the way.
The Official 200X Sorceress vs 200X Evil-Lyn 2 Pack Support Thread
The Blonde Teela Thread
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It's like people expect him to, you know, do his job or something. How dare they.
Boo! I'm totally ready for Snake Mountain in 2014!
They will know exactly how many figures they need without punishin' people that aren't aware of the line since the beginning and without punishin' people that can't afford a subscription.
Plus no more leftovers for them!
It's a no-brain idea but why they don't want do the pre-orders it will bug me until the end of the line...
After two years of sacrifices tryin' to catch the 40 figures that I needed from 2008 to 2012 now they messed up again my collection with Fang Man... thank you so much...
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Worship the Snake Goddess!
Now that all the vintage figures are done, don't let MOTUC die, keep buyin' the figures!
2016 will be great!!!
Snake Mountain will never be done right anyway. As much as I would love one I'd rather they focus on the figures after how CG is happening.
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It will be interesting to see what Snake Mountain looks like should we get to it. Filmation? Vintage toy? That vintage toy look is more important to me (it was my first MOTU playset), but it is called "Snake" Mountain, so we might need that Filmation look too. The green snake on the vintage toy didn't have the same presence that face had.
However, I agree with TUC138 in that Mattel was foolish to re-issue figures that had just been out that same year and weren't core characters. Then, of course, fans were blamed for not eating them up and now, re-issues are off the table because the fan demand wasn't there. I'm pretty sure that Teela, Sorceress, and Fisto are in higher demand than Gygor, Keldor, and Hurricane Hordak but they don't want to hear it. IMO, re-issues should not have started until last year or so, when the Evergreen figures showed up. Imagine if the Original Eight had been the first set of Essentials on Matty!
It doesn't surprise me, though...The exact same thing happened with WWE Legends figures. It was a promising line but didn't have the best lineup initially because they didn't have all the right contracts with older wrestlers yet. Instead of waiting to have better characters, they jumped the gun and made a K-Mart exclusive "Hall of Fame" series that included straight re-issues of Series 1 & 2 figures that were already readily available in stores. Only one of the six figures was a fan-demanded one, so K-Mart became flooded with pegwarmers...You can probably still find a couple of them in stores today! This, combined with an overproduced TRU Legends 2-pack series that also performed poorly due to lackluster character selection, killed the hopes of expanding the Legends line. Instead, it died out quietly on Mattycollector last year after only six retail waves and within the first year of being on Matty.
It seems to me that Mattel only understands the business model of spamming the market. It works for Barbie, Monster High, and Hot Wheels so it looks like they just apply the same approach to everything they do. If it doesn't stick, they're more eager to shut it down, and move onto the next item on their list, than to adjust their strategies to reflect the actual fan base demand.
However, MOTUC is somehow still around with over a 100 figures, several beasts, a vehicle, and a playset when any other small line would've been scrapped by now. Fan support is phenomenal and it seems like Mattel still has a soft spot for one of their home brands. (Hope springs eternal for the days of being a billion dollar franchise once again, perhaps?) Anyway, Mattel would be wise to build on this goodwill...Few retail lines have this type of longevity, IMO.
Why would they even spend money "turning up the machines"? Would it cost them anything to just open a pre-order sale for Teela? No. Would they need to go ahead if the minimum wasn't met? No. So where's the risk there?
Do they really know what to expect about anything? Do they really know how many people would sign up for a reissued Teela figure? They may think they know, but I doubt it.
The only thing they know is that they have a very popular property in He-man, anything other than that is just a shot in the dark for them. And they also know that the hardcore fans will buy anything, regardless of any major screw ups.
I just think that what's preventing them from opening a pre-order for reissues is that it would move a lot of resources from the line (it's just a deduction from years of reading Toyguru's answers). Seeing how long it took them to get the "my subscription page" up - even though it's a lousy and almost useless interface - it would be a herculean job just to do that reissues pre-order I guess...
Um, actually, the entire Castle's design was their idea. From the Orb room to including the ledge. The only ask from Mattel was to include a slot for Scareglow's key which is being added to the final toy. Pretty much from a design stand point this was all the awesome glory of the 4HM.
I'm pleased with the honest answer to the Snake Mountain question. While I would appreciate Snake Mountain sooner rather than later, I understand that resources are scarce and they should be put into finishing up the remaining figures.
As much as I would like to see reissues as well, it's not as simple as throwing a pre-order up on mattycollector. There are man hours, terms and yes, logistics that need to be used, set up and agreed upon before a preorder system can even be put into place. Mattel logically may not want to invest in all of that if they're already feeling certain that the preorder won't go through. Why put that much effort into preorders when they can focus on new characters that WILL meet their quota (via the sub system)?
There's also PR to consider. Mattel doesn't want to put up a bunch of preorders just to watch them fail, giving the public impression that they've just offered a product that failed. Seriously, the bottom line is that there is VERY little incentive for Mattel to proceed with a preorder, no matter how "brainless" some here think it would be.
While the idea of a way to integrate it was neat, the way it was done looks absurd, which is why I am sure it was not in display with the castle at Toy Fair (as it also would have shown just how small the castle turned out).
Also, at what point were the 4H instructed to shrink the castle? Fans have been looking at the time line and it seems you must have known of the shrinkage relatively close to when the original presale was still ongoing.
It's not like they are starting from scratch and need to find a manufacturer, etc. And the molds are already done. I'd rather have more variants (like a Filmation Teela) but since those do not seem to be in the cards, select reissues seem to be the way to go. There are many ways to approach it - put them together in sets, for instance.
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