And yes when grayskull actually is released and 2014 is shown to be A game figures,the secondary might just explode.
Comedian on the matty forums.
As far as Whiplash goes, that's crazy. However, I don't think they should rerelease gone for good characters at this time. They already said they won't, repeatedly. I also think alot of this sudden inflation is due to the Castle coming out and drumming up interest. It's more than likely a temporary artificial inflation that will level out eventually. I also don't think 2.0 versions are a good idea at this time, as they need to finish what they got. But maybe in a couple years they could do a Classics All Stars line to get them out there.
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What was your first motuc purchase? And did you enjoy it more than say a hot toys collectible?
Would you have bought any motuc if the castle was not announced?
Sorry,not trying to grill you,just want to know what seems to be finally working to get more fans on board.
Comedian on the matty forums.
I'm new to this line as of a few months ago. Before that I had no idea that MOTUC even existed, much less had already released so many figures. I'm not really a toy collector and thus don't scour the internet for toy news and current lines, but have really strong nostalgia for MOTU. However I do collect and play a lot of retro video games. I only learned about MOTUC because a game site I enjoy (Retrowaretv), led me to subsribe to some of their contributors I enjoy on Youtube (Gamechasers), who subsequently gave a good plug to check out Pixel Dan's Youtube channel. I recognized PD as a Retrowaretv contributor and checked it out. Pretty roundabout way to discover this amazing line wouldn't you say? Now I'm hooked and playing catch-up. I still couldn't care less about the rest of the toy world, I just like MOTUC.
All that being said, I have to think that Mattel still hasn't even scratched the surface of their potential market. The advertising for this kind of stuff outside of hardcore toy collecting circles is pathetic, almost non-existent. An entire generation of us grew up playing with MOTU vintage figures and most of that generation has no earthly idea that these new figures exist. I'm not saying everybody would subscribe, but many out there would certainly pick up the newest rendition of their childhood favorite or two. It's a shame that Mattel never invested in just a little bit of real advertising when they started this line, they could be raking in even more sales than they already do.
No, I'm happy to answer.
I did not know about the line's existence until I saw the Castle Grayskull pre-order thread on the Sideshow Freaks board. I started by pre-ordering the Castle.
Then, when the Black Friday sale came along I thought I should get a couple of figures to go in my castle. I imagined owning maybe 10 figures by the time the Castle arrived (lol!) I started with He-Man, Battle-Cat, and Panthor. Then, before they arrived, I ordered Man-At-Arms, Faker, Draego-Man, and Moss Man. Then, impatient for the two weeks it takes Matty to actually mail anything to Pennsylvania I went to Toys R Us and found the DC vs MOTU 2-packs for Mer-Man and Stratos. So, those two were my first in-hand figures.
If the castle were not announced I wouldn't have bought any MOTU figures. I wouldn't have known what I was missing!
Did I enjoy them more than a Hot Toys figure? No.... I can't say that. My most recent HT figure is the Batman Rises DX11, and that's a magnificent work of art! You just can't compare a He-Man figure to that $270 work of art. You just can't! But I was and am really impressed with the MOTUC line. I hadn't thought about He-Man since about 1984. I was an old school He-Man collector as a boy. I got my figures when they first were released and saw the cartoon as the line selling out (lol) and dumbing the concepts down. I hated Prince Adam and Orko. I did get the 30th(31st) anniversary DVD box and I'm on disc 4 of season 2. I'm enjoying it all a lot more as an adult than I ever did as a kid. I guess even the "kiddee" elements which so offended me when I was 10 and 11 don't bother me as much as an adult.
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I really don't see how people are supposed to learn about this line. They don't carry them in toy stores. They don't get a lot of press. I haven't seen any advertising. I really had no idea about the line until I saw the thread on SF.
Strange, having been on the org for a few years now, I think I had forgotten about the new collectors amongst us. With the constant negativity, maybe I thought people just wouldn't bother with it. However, welcome one and all
Making sure the vintage line is fully reproduced in the classics line
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People start collecting toy lines all the time regardless of how long they've been in production. It doesn't matter if you knew about the figures before you decided to collect them or not, it isn't the company's responsibility to make sure every collector can buy every figure at retail prices whenever they want. If you collect any retail line there's a chance some figures will get reissued down the line, but a lot of figures become rare in Star Wars, DCUC, and Marvel Legends and you just have to pay the secondary market prices if they are worth it to you.
I bought the white Sorceress for $45 on Amazon this week. That's okay, but I won't go much higher than that for a 6" toy. These are not Hot Toys quality and I won't pass up a Hot Toys collectible for a He-Man figure.
Imagine if new Star Wars collectors couldn't get a Leia or Boba Fett!
Reissues are an interesting topic right now. Mattel's sales data says that not one reissued figure, with the exception of He-man, has sold well enough to warrant future reissues of hard to find figures. That list includes Skeletor, Hordak, and Man-at-arms so some pretty popular characters. It's hard to say if the Sorceress, Teela, and Fisto would be able to sell through another production run but Mattel isn't buying it right now. Even though the secondary market prices are high for those figures, there are a lot of fans that already have them in their collection and wouldn't buy them again. I think the best solution would be for Mattel to offer variants of those figures (ie - 200X Sorceress and blonde or Filmation Teela) to help sell them to a broader group.
Like many others I came to this line because of the castle preorder. My sole purpose of collection was to fill the castle with characters from the 1980s He-man cartoons. That's my only link to this line. She-Ra was never released in my country nor were the comics. And by the 200X cartoon came out, I was in grad school and had no time for cartoons.
I have done fairly well as far as collecting goes. The only figure I am missing is Teela but I am make doing with BG Teela. The other one2one replacements in my collection are TOD Sorceress and BG Evilyn. I was able to get most figures at cost or under thanks to the Matty sale, the kind folks here and on other forums. The only figure I paid a premium was Fisto but it was worth it
Wow interesting to hear that people have started collecting due to the Castle preorder! That means that Castle Grayskull was good to add more people to the line. That is awesome!
Now The thing about the reissues is that Mattel seem to have miscalculated them. And there were many figures that some collectors didn't want. For example Faker is an awesome figure but it was on sale numerous times. The same with Hurricane Hordak and Keldor. In the last Roast Gooble Diner (114) TG stated that Netossa has the lowest production number ever and lasted 3 days to sell out while Ram man was sold out in minutes and have a larger quantity than a regular figure. That means that they are now (or recently) beginning to estimate the numbers correctly. Maybe if the 2014 subscription numbers rise then maybe they will consider making core characters again.
For some reason, people want to say that it doesn't matter whether the figures are First Runs or reissues. Well, I think that a lot of those same people are just lying. I think it REALLY does matter. It was obviously evident when the reissues were put up for sale and they sputtered out. Toyguru has constantly maintained that the reissues have sold poorly.
Well, I strongly believe that if Mattel were to put those figures back into production again and keep it the same exact way as before (packaging and all) they would sell so many more. I know I would buy a couple of the reissues if that was the case. If I would buy more, then I bet so would many more collectors.
I'm so sure of this that I would put money on it.
Hey, count me in as a new collector too! I was in a WWE bubble since Mattel took over the license in 2010. I didn't find out about MOTUC until late 2011 when the ill-fated Legends line was transferred over to Mattycollector for 2012 as a last resort. I had the opportunity to buy the 2012 sub (I really liked Shadow Weaver, too!) but wasn't considering buying MOTUC at the time.
Of course, I went all-in a few months later and spent all of 2012 catching up, heheh!
It can be tricky but if you're patient, you can still get core figures at a decent price. Don't underestimate figure lots...I got a majority of the "rare" figures like Beast Man, Scareglow, Whiplash, Teela, Roboto, and Wun-Dar through reasonable lots, either from here or on eBay. You'll probably have to put down a couple of hundred dollars right away but, if you find the right opportunity, you'll average out pretty well!
I agree, shill bidding seems to be getting waaaaaaaaaay out of hand and more blatantly obvious as of late. I was trying to buy some carded LJN Thundercats last week. There were a lot that I wanted all from the same seller, at the zero hour all the prices jumped up to well over what most BIN prices were. I looked at the bidding history and the last 2 bidders were 0 and 3 feedback bidders. If your going to artificially jack up your prices beyond current market, than it's just too obvious. I checked his completed auctions and a few weeks earlier the same t-cats collection sold for round about the same prices and were relisted all with the 0 and 3 feedbackers being the winning bidders. Drives me crazy, I've noticed it in MOTU as well since I'm chasing those elusive figures
You guys are giving me hope for the future of the line. I really did not see many new fans jumping on,but here you are and it seems like the castle is a big reason.
That reissue subscription was an interesting idea. As long as they can sell something ,why not rerelease it.
As said above,take your time and don't give up. You will find your missing figures. I came to the line in 2010.... Not being a subscriber that year was hell. But,I never gave up an it took 2 years but I caught up.
Maybe this line can go back to growing,instead of just finishing.
Comedian on the matty forums.
Im with you on this one. If they would have never added "The Original" burst I would buy more. If and when I buy a reissue I will always buy it to open it. Personally I would never display it MOC. But "Hey" thats just my opinion.Originally Posted by Kollec-Tor:3226393
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I'll chime in here too. I'm totally new to the MOTUC line. I first heard about it through nerd sites talking about the Castle Grayskull preorders. I loved MOTUC as a kid, and I loved the 200x line as a much older kid. I've been playing catch up these past few months. Oh, and this line is amazing, and you guys sometimes don't realize how good you have it.
I find it hard to believe that a person is willing to shell out that much for a figure that can be bought for a much more realistic price. If it is a newbie, surely they'd do their homework first before committing themselves to bidding? Of course there's the fake bid scenario too but how greedy can a person get when even the starting bid for Whiplash was a tad excessive?
Ah well, as long as the winner (if it isn't a fake bid) is happy i guess
Most Wanted MOTU Classics:
*MotU ~ Ninjor/Rio Blast *PoP ~ Angella/Mermista *200X ~ Roboto/Calix *Filmation ~ Teela Na/Lord Masque
*Play-Sets ~ Snake Mountain/Fright Zone *Vehicles ~ Roton/Land Shark *Beasts ~ Night Stalker/Stridor
Regarding the OP, another possibility is that it's just deadbeats messing around. You see that sometimes - people bid crazy amounts, then never pay and the item is relisted. But like Flashback said, it could be the international factor too.
Count me in as another newbie. I loved MOTU as a kid. Then when I started collecting toys as an adult, I was mostly into vintage Japanese toys. I came across Classics when Matty started their Voltron line. I thought, "well, I'll eventually get a He-Man, Battle Cat, Skeletor, and Panthor." But I wasn't motivated to buy until BF/CM of 2012. That's all it took, I needed a good entry point. I've done a great job catching up since then. I'm 50 figures deep with a CG preorder and a Filmation sub. I found some awesome deals on Tri Klops, Roboto, and Whiplash. Eventually I need to get Shadow Weaver, Teela, and Fisto (to name a few) so we'll see how it goes. Even if I have to pay top dollar, I'm still in good shape overall. The hunt is part of the fun.
I too collect Star Wars. And really only Leia. So I don't go to websites about toys. Or I didn't, until I started collecting this line. Which I discovered from an eBay auction.
We have many posts from people who have recently found the line, some right here in this thread. Not everyone who could possibly want some of these figures already knows about it - now that is not just closed minded, but tied up bound placed in a bank vault under ground closed-minded.
I think you underestimate the iconic nature of Grayskull. We got coverage on MTV for it. While they have had a few MOTU stories before, I would promise there were people who never clicked on one until they saw a picture of Grayskull in the article. This is one of the absolute most iconic 80's toys (personally, in my experience it probably is number 1 as it was so identified as the single most major representation of 80's play sets (GI Joe has several iconic ones, but this one is the single easiest to identify.)
It amazes me how people forget how difficult this line is to collect, as well - cause I'm sure many who would buy it simply see how complex it is (subscribe blind to $500+, and you can only sub a few times a year - find out in September? Come back in July! For figures you get get up to a YEAR AND A HALF FROM NOW, or buy one or two select figures at a certain minute in a certain day once a month - which is increasingly even less of an option).
There aren't millions out there likely, but a few thousand? Easily. It's statistically insane to think there aren't - I mean, it's like thinking out of the endless galaxies of space that we are the only planet with living creatures. It's statistically impossible.