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    New York and surrrounding area fans: Important question about Power-Con in New York

    This is more-so directed at fans living in Manhattan, Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island, etc. But, for anyone around the NYC area, I'd also like your feedback. This is only about location.

    When you think of Power-Con coming to NY, where in NY do you see the show taking place? meaning, specific locations.

    And along those lines, where in New York would you not travel to for the show? anywhere in the state, or just the NYC area, etc. It doesn't matter, I'd like to hear everything you have to say.

    I've been doing extensive research for the past two years for New York venues. And location, time frame and cost are huge fluctuating factors in what realistic. So, I'd like to hear your direct feedback about location.

    Thanks so much!

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    Personally not downtown ny went there for my honeymoon and damn its so pricy so outskirts would be nice !!!
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    I don't think you could realistically do it outside Manattan, Brooklyn or Queens. All 3 are easily accessible by mass transit (no one drives out here). Upstate NY isn't really close by any means, most destinations require you to drive through Jersey or the Bronx. Travel time is a key factor. Staten Island is out of the question - $17 for the Verazzano, or a ferry ride and a single track subway? Also,they're still swimming to work due to Sandy.

    Cost prohibitive venues in the City, I get, but there's got to be a ton of smaller locations in Williamsburg, by the Barclay Center, or in Astoria. Really depends on the space you need and the costs you can bear.

    But seriously, you can't announce a 'Con in New York', and then have it in Albany or North Tonawanda. It's gotta be in the City, and it's gotta be in the Big 3 boroughs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Edge View Post
    I don't think you could realistically do it outside Manattan, Brooklyn or Queens. All 3 are easily accessible by mass transit (no one drives out here). Upstate NY isn't really close by any means, most destinations require you to drive through Jersey or the Bronx. Travel time is a key factor. Staten Island is out of the question - $17 for the Verazzano, or a ferry ride and a single track subway? Also,they're still swimming to work due to Sandy.

    Cost prohibitive venues in the City, I get, but there's got to be a ton of smaller locations in Williamsburg, by the Barclay Center, or in Astoria. Really depends on the space you need and the costs you can bear.

    But seriously, you can't announce a 'Con in New York', and then have it in Albany or North Tonawanda. It's gotta be in the City, and it's gotta be in the Big 3 boroughs.
    There is nothing wrong with north tonawanda

    Also niagara falls, ny has close location to Toronto and buffalo to fly into

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    You know the that manhattan is high price but has lots of ways to get there. You can look at nj( what everyone thinks is ny) but you may want to keep it near the airport since the trains go there to making it easy for people and cheeper. Just my 2 cents.
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    I think hosting in a hotel might be the issue. MOCCA hosts inside an armory and its in a nice prime location in lower manhattan. Idk what it costs, I know that Brooklyn and Queens has some great new locations that are very easy to get to. Yet it's the whole stigma that when people think NY they think Manhattan.
    Brooklyn itself has had a huge influx of new money and rebuilding of old places making Most of Brooklyn really safe and it's very close to Manhattan.
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    I'd say the way to go is definitely in the city area-- all roads lead to and from NYC, it would be the easiest place for people travelling from all over to arrive at.

    I've never been to one of the Powercons in California, so I'm a little hazy on how big they are, but here's a few possible venues.

    MoCCAFest was just held last weekend in the 69th Regiment Armory at 25th and Park in Manhattan. I figure there's maybe a couple of hundred exhibitors there and it fits them well. There's a few other of these converted armories around town that host events, too, like the Park Avenue Armory at Park and 66th. MoCCAFest used to be held in the Puck Building in SOHo, and which is nice and close to ToyTokyo. The Big Apple Comic con used to be held in the Penn Plaza Pavillion, right across the street from Penn Station.

    Brooklyn might be cheaper. There's a seasonal flea market that meets in the lobby of the Williamsburgh clock tower that, depending when Powercon NYC was held might be available. The Brooklyn Lyceum has been host to a few small comic conventions, but the facilities, especially bathrooms, were pretty run down. A venue like the Bellhouse in Gowanus might be an option too, or it might be too small. The Brooklyn Comics and Graphic Arts festival was held in Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Church in Williamsburg, but that was also pretty small, and poorly ventilated. Speaking of Williamsburg, Brooklyn Bowl might be pretty nice, and St Anne's Warehouse and Galapagos could both be possibilities in DUMBO.

    There's also a million hotels right around the airports in Queens and Newark that I'm sure have conference rooms and the like. That takes you away from the excitement of the cool boroughs like Manhattan and Brooklyn, but depending on who they are some folks might be into that. Just leave plenty of time in the schedule for adventurous folks to wander the city
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    Quote Originally Posted by geooco View Post
    I'd say the way to go is definitely in the city area-- all roads lead to and from NYC, it would be the easiest place for people travelling from all over to arrive at.

    I've never been to one of the Powercons in California, so I'm a little hazy on how big they are, but here's a few possible venues.

    MoCCAFest was just held last weekend in the 69th Regiment Armory at 25th and Park in Manhattan. I figure there's maybe a couple of hundred exhibitors there and it fits them well. There's a few other of these converted armories around town that host events, too, like the Park Avenue Armory at Park and 66th. MoCCAFest used to be held in the Puck Building in SOHo, and which is nice and close to ToyTokyo. The Big Apple Comic con used to be held in the Penn Plaza Pavillion, right across the street from Penn Station.

    Brooklyn might be cheaper. There's a seasonal flea market that meets in the lobby of the Williamsburgh clock tower that, depending when Powercon NYC was held might be available. The Brooklyn Lyceum has been host to a few small comic conventions, but the facilities, especially bathrooms, were pretty run down. A venue like the Bellhouse in Gowanus might be an option too, or it might be too small. The Brooklyn Comics and Graphic Arts festival was held in Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Church in Williamsburg, but that was also pretty small, and poorly ventilated. Speaking of Williamsburg, Brooklyn Bowl might be pretty nice, and St Anne's Warehouse and Galapagos could both be possibilities in DUMBO.

    There's also a million hotels right around the airports in Queens and Newark that I'm sure have conference rooms and the like. That takes you away from the excitement of the cool boroughs like Manhattan and Brooklyn, but depending on who they are some folks might be into that. Just leave plenty of time in the schedule for adventurous folks to wander the city
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    As a Manhattanite, I know that there are a lot of smaller, very nice, affordable hotels that could not only host the con, but also house con attendees for less than a Times Square hotel.

    The upper west side, north of Lincoln Center had quite a few of these. So does the area around Grand Central Station.

    I, too, think downtown isn't a good idea - plus the space available at the hotel for the con might be bigger uptown. Square footage in the older buildings downtown is harder to come by.

    You could also have the con at a place other than a hotel. There are a ton of convention / showroom venues in town. So that would allow people to stay anywhere really.

    There are definitely Times Square hotels worth checking out though. They are probably way too expensive, but who knows? The Marriott Marquis is HUGE and often has many many conventions for businesses. They have a ton of room, something like 5 or 6 floors of con/expo space.

    They also have a huge number of hotel rooms, and they are more reasonable than some of the other Times Square hotels.

    I think having it in NYC is something that increases the draw. So having it in Brooklyn or Queens might be unappealing to people coming into town not only for the con, but also to check out manhattan sights. Brooklyn is awesome, but people may want to have the NYC tourist experience

    Yes, there is mass transit, but it can be tricky in the outer boroughs.

    Anyway, as Rob mentioned, the Armory might be a cool option. There are a few armory venues in the city.
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    Yea, Manhattan is probably the over-all best spot. Where abouts? I couldn't tell you as I'm not in the city enough, but have been around the boroughs enough to say that when you factor in the most prime location with all the attractions and best transit options it brings you there.

    It's also what most people are familiar with *outside* of NY so I think it makes them a bit more comfortable if headed there.

    For instance, I know PLENTY of people within the tri-state area that would be unsure of where the heck they'd be going if headed in to Queens or Brooklyn or perhaps even hesitant, while on the other hand if you mentioned Manhattan they'd be like yea I know how to get there for the most part.

    You could even just hop a train to take them right in to some thing like Penn Station. It's super easy.

    It's a pain in the ass to drive in Manhattan, but again probably the best location for the biggest turn out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elkkthunder View Post
    There is nothing wrong with north tonawanda

    Also niagara falls, ny has close location to Toronto and buffalo to fly into
    Love the idea of Niagara, you'll get lots of Canadians hitting it up and Americans as you are right on the boarder !!! by the way the Canadian side is nicer

    also hotels are on the cheep.. you have that Las Vegas feel with Casino's and hotels so people would have a great weekend with the con all day and activities in the night.. and it's not expensive!!!
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    Don't know what to say about NY, besides being pricey. how about Hartford CT might cost less and NY could be more confusing for people who don't know their way around. there are hotels and places around Bradly International Airport that could support powercon

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    I'm seeing some of what I anticipated, as well as receiving PMs and e-mails along the same lines, and that's a lot of fans in the boroughs would prefer not to travel outside of the city and a lot of fans outside the boroughs would prefer not to come into the city. Makes me think about that wall around Manhattan in Escape from New York.

    I will tell you all this: Anything inside the boroughs, no matter if it's a hotel or not, is very very expensive. Once you go a bit farther out, the prices drop significantly. We'd need about 4 to 5 times the number of attendees inside the boroughs as we would outside of them. Crazy, I know, but that's the rub. So, that's something to think about.

    There's a huge concentration of fans in and around NYC. It's similar in number to the LA area. It's more a juggling act of venue expense, location accessibility and attendance projections.

    I don't know when NY will happen, but it's definitely been in the planning stages for a while now. So please keep the feedback and ideas coming! It's really appreciated.

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    I think the airport makes the most sense too.
    Not at but around. Better room rates transportation is designed around getting to and from the airport. People who want the city can stay there but still rely on public transportation city residents can use it too.
    People coming in just for the convention dont have to worry about the confussion in downtown driving.
    Being as its the first id say keep it as easy as possible see how it goes and build off of it.
    Youll get better flat rates and group rates.
    Dont forget they, hotels, do shuttles to and from and often include that...im sure u know that already lol
    I just think also, doing this would encourage more people to come and attend building u a better base for the next one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratos*Major View Post
    I think the airport makes the most sense too.
    Not at but around. Better room rates transportation is designed around getting to and from the airport. People who want the city can stay there but still rely on public transportation city residents can use it too.
    People coming in just for the convention dont have to worry about the confussion in downtown driving.
    Being as its the first id say keep it as easy as possible see how it goes and build off of it.
    Youll get better flat rates and group rates.
    Dont forget they, hotels, do shuttles to and from and often include that...im sure u know that already lol
    I just think also, doing this would encourage more people to come and attend building u a better base for the next one.
    Ooooh and u could get shuttles from the city to the airport at times through the day for residents and people who decide to stay in the city.
    I would think a lot of the residents, as mentioned, dont have cars cause they really arent needed so that is a huge consideration but if you did that leg work for them I think you would see more support.

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    OMG, I am so excited about this! I would love a PowerCon here in NY. But yeah, I can imagine it's crazy expensive. New Yorkers have a distorted view of what's "reasonable".

    So, here's a crazy suggestion - maybe find a nice place in western Long Island. As long as it's in walking distance from a LIRR station it would be easy to get to (quick and comfortable train from JFK). For people who want to see NYC, LIRR goes straight to Penn Station, and should't be longer than 30-45 mins.

    I mean, yeah sure, I'd prefer Manhattan, but realistically, it would probably be hard to pull off

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    Something else to consider is that many of the attendees will be travelling to the convention from other states. Hosting the convention at or within a short walking distance of the hotel would be ideal so that attendees do not have to rent a car or navigate the public transportation system.

    Speaking personally, having stayed with a friend and driven the first year and having stayed at the host hotel the second year, the latter was much more convenient. I cannot count how many times I returned to the room to drop off items, and I cannot imagine having to take them on public transit, trying to fit them through a turnstyle or on a crowded bus or subway car.


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    Quote Originally Posted by elkkthunder View Post
    There is nothing wrong with north tonawanda

    Also niagara falls, ny has close location to Toronto and buffalo to fly into
    I've said this before, but I'll say it again. The Buffalo and Western New York area has a lot going for it in terms of location for this. The airport connects to everywhere, it's an easy drive from Toronto, and a reasonable drive from Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and NYC (plus it's a straight train ride from the city to Buffalo) one of Mattel's Headquarters is in a suburb of Buffalo (I actually think the address is even on the back of the white mailers, though I don't have one in front of me right now so I may be mistaken), and I have to imagine that hotels and such will be a heck of a lot cheaper than in NYC. Plus the food's amazing and it's worth taking in Niagara Falls at least once in your life.

    Of course, I'm a wee bit biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher of Madness View Post
    Plus the food's amazing and it's worth taking in Niagara Falls at least once in your life.
    Well, I'd like to see Niagara Falls, but it always seemed too corny to go there for a romantic getaway, so this would provide a good excuse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher of Madness View Post
    I've said this before, but I'll say it again. The Buffalo and Western New York area has a lot going for it in terms of location for this. The airport connects to everywhere, it's an easy drive from Toronto, and a reasonable drive from Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and NYC (plus it's a straight train ride from the city to Buffalo) one of Mattel's Headquarters is in a suburb of Buffalo (I actually think the address is even on the back of the white mailers, though I don't have one in front of me right now so I may be mistaken), and I have to imagine that hotels and such will be a heck of a lot cheaper than in NYC. Plus the food's amazing and it's worth taking in Niagara Falls at least once in your life.

    Of course, I'm a wee bit biased.
    You make a very very compelling argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    Something else to consider is that many of the attendees will be travelling to the convention from other states. Hosting the convention at or within a short walking distance of the hotel would be ideal so that attendees do not have to rent a car or navigate the public transportation system.

    Speaking personally, having stayed with a friend and driven the first year and having stayed at the host hotel the second year, the latter was much more convenient. I cannot count how many times I returned to the room to drop off items, and I cannot imagine having to take them on public transit, trying to fit them through a turnstyle or on a crowded bus or subway car.

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    PowerCon in NY is just a great idea. Manhattan would be the best bet. There are a lot of hotels that could hold the event and the city is big enough for people of all over to want to come and enjoy.
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    You know, another area that I just thought of which would be pretty good and reduce a lot of the issues brought up, yet still retain a lot of the positives is the Meadowlands in East Rutherford NJ.

    The costs on every thing should be way less then Manhattan, but yet you're practically "in" Manhattan as your only across the river. It has connecting major highways that bring you right to it so the drive is VERY EASY and assessable from any where. In NY? You simply take a bridge. Want to visit the city afterwords? Not a problem you can be there in minutes.

    This area is also VERY convention friendly as I think it even has expo centers and I can remember numerous wrestling/comic conventions there back in the day at a few hotels. I also know that there's a Sheraton and Marriott along with a bunch of others at the least over there.

    Heck, Wrestlemania just took place there at Metlife stadium and I think they even had wrestling events in the area leading up to it. It's defiantly doable with easier means of travel at most likely a lesser cost while still based in the NYC area.

    Definitely some thing worth looking in to as it's also going to have the Superbowl there next year. If it can have that it can have any thing. =)

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    Chicago...Its right in the middle and there are plenty of places to have it and reasonable prices. CHICAGO!!!!!!!

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