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    I don't mind the concept of Skeleteen so much but the name keeps reminding me of one of my favorite childhood drinks...





    I wouldn't mind a Skeleteen figure, though...As long as we also get Dare/He-Ro, Kay-La, and Queen Teela too. That would complete the SoHM faction for me. A Keltra custom is already in the works!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MISSILE-TOE View Post
    Ummm...is this true......?
    Absolutely true, no point in not telling the truth. I worked on some of the DVD special features for The New Adventures of He-Man. Remember the concept artwork gallery, including pictures of Darius, Starship Eternia and a dinosaur/lizard-like man? These weren't from Jetlag, they were Filmation artwork. The dinosaur character was called Steel Claw, one of a whole cast of non-toy characters. I think there may also have been a tentacled, bald-looking alien evoking the look of Sydney Greenstreet (or Sydney Greenfield, as I believe James Eatock called him on one of our commentary tracks) in a casino setting. Lar Takar of Club Royale, Nukanaan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagar View Post
    From what little I've seen on the inside, this isn't the case (no Skeleteen/Battle Blade Skeletor connection).

    However, in Filmation's pitch circa 1988/89 for He-Man and the Masters of Space, a show featuring the characters from the new He-Man line, Skeletor did have a sister called Skeletrix and a nephew and niece called Funnybone and Hunnybone. No Skeleteen, though.
    Too funny. Skeletrix are for kids!
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    Come on guys, using Scott's OWN logic on names for the characters in MOTUC, Skeleteen cannot be his real name. I can't imagine Evil Lyn looking down at her baby and naming him Skeleteen. It's probably the name he takes as a rebellious teenager with daddy issues trying desperately to live up to the legend of his father. His real name has got to be something else entirely... (hopefully).

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    I just read this entire thread (i can't get to sleep) and I have one conclusion and one question:

    Conclusion:
    They need to change the name of this character (I personally don't mind the name at all but Christ the backlash to it has been...large though oddly good humoured)

    Question:
    what's a He-Ra?

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    Maybe they can make him very dark and mature and serious. Would that make Skeleteen "cool"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwitefry View Post
    I just read this entire thread (i can't get to sleep) and I have one conclusion and one question:

    Conclusion:
    They need to change the name of this character (I personally don't mind the name at all but Christ the backlash to it has been...large though oddly good humoured)

    Question:
    what's a He-Ra?
    He-ra was the original proposed name for She-ra it was already trademarked at the time so they changed it. Also some other excuses have been mentioned before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia View Post
    Skeleteen also kind of resembles the Grim Reaper action figure from the Bill & Ted action figure line (his toy look differed greatly from his look in the second movie)...

    http://www.actiontoys.com/Merchant2/.../BILLTED-7.jpg
    Nice pictorial reference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagar View Post
    I worked on some of the DVD special features for The New Adventures of He-Man. Remember the concept artwork gallery, including pictures of Darius, Starship Eternia and a dinosaur/lizard-like man? These weren't from Jetlag, they were Filmation artwork. The dinosaur character was called Steel Claw, one of a whole cast of non-toy characters. I think there may also have been a tentacled, bald-looking alien evoking the look of Sydney Greenstreet (or Sydney Greenfield, as I believe James Eatock called him on one of our commentary tracks) in a casino setting. Lar Takar of Club Royale, Nukanaan.
    I must of missed those, I don't tend to look at the picture galleries on DVD's TBH, I'm going to check them out when I get home tonight
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahthatsme1973 View Post
    Come on guys, using Scott's OWN logic on names for the characters in MOTUC, Skeleteen cannot be his real name. I can't imagine Evil Lyn looking down at her baby and naming him Skeleteen. It's probably the name he takes as a rebellious teenager with daddy issues trying desperately to live up to the legend of his father. His real name has got to be something else entirely... (hopefully).
    Given "real names" like Squidish Rex and Hector, maybe "Skeleteen" isn't so bad after all...

    Seriously, though, it's pretty clear that the name, if not the whole concept of Skeleteen, has pretty well gone over with the fans like a lead wind raider. There has been positive talk of since the line started about "He-Ro, Son of He-Man," and some desire to see some of those characters done, so following that route appears to have at least tacit support. But teen skull-face has landed with a big belly flop, so I think the line should move away from that whole "it almost was NA" story. The next generation era now exists in MOTUC, and we actually have an official figure from that faction in the line. I just hope they stick to the version of the post-Adam era that fans have shown the most interest in, rather than something that just struck Mattel's fancy for some reason.
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    I'm falling squarely in the "Interesting as a historical footnote, not worth dredging up for the sake of showing off 'insider info'" camp.

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    I would still rather see a "Keltra" type character(Evil Lyn and Skeletor's daughter) 1000 times over instead of Skeleteen. I love the idea of continuing the franchise and moving forward, but "Skeleteen" is all kinds of wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Atkin View Post
    "Skeleteen" sounds like an insult that Dare would throw at the guy, rather than call him by his real name. Kind of like how He-Man would call Skeletor "Bonehead" in the Filmation cartoon. If they make this guy into an action figure, I trully hope they don't call him Skeleteen, as that just sounds terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyldman11 View Post
    He-ra was the original proposed name for She-ra it was already trademarked at the time so they changed it. Also some other excuses have been mentioned before.
    I see, thank you
    and excuses? I didn't make any excuses, unless it was the 'can't sleep' bracket you meant and that wasn't meant as an excuse...hmmm - anyway thanks for the info mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwitefry View Post
    I see, thank you
    and excuses? I didn't make any excuses, unless it was the 'can't sleep' bracket you meant and that wasn't meant as an excuse...hmmm - anyway thanks for the info mate.
    I meant the reason they didn't go with He-ra. Like people calling her HEEE-ra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVD View Post
    I would still rather see a "Keltra" type character(Evil Lyn and Skeletor's daughter) 1000 times over instead of Skeleteen. I love the idea of continuing the franchise and moving forward, but "Skeleteen" is all kinds of wrong.
    If Skeletor were no longer the primary villain, I'd actually prefer this idea to the son of Skeletor. None of the evil factions have ever had a female leader, and it could add a new dimension or two to the conflict. I think Evil Lynn, were she not checked by Skeltor's power, would be one the most, if not the most, dangerous baddie on Eternia, and I'd think her daughter would follow suit.

    If nothing else, it would make it a bit different than the original Masters, and it's a bit overdue. The ladies have shown they can keep up with the guys amongst the heroes, especially with She-Ra; it's time the bad guys learned that lesson. After all, sometimes the female is the more dangerous of the species...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyldman11 View Post
    He-ra was the original proposed name for She-ra it was already trademarked at the time so they changed it. Also some other excuses have been mentioned before.
    He-Ra was not already trademarked. As an unconventional spelling of the generic Hera, it was considered too weak to be trademarkable, so She-Ra was chosen instead.

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    I don't care if Skeleteen was invented in the 1980's or even the 1880's... it just sounds too silly to be taken seriously. If we are going down this route, we need to change Skeletor's name to Skeledad or Boneyfaceheadman. I'm sticking with calling him Truth.
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    As far as the image of Skeleteen, I am not that bothered and actually kind of like it, but the name just needs to be a nickname given by the "good" guys to disrespect him, he should have a real name. I suggest Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    He-Ra was not already trademarked. As an unconventional spelling of the generic Hera, it was considered too weak to be trademarkable, so She-Ra was chosen instead.
    For some reason I thought there was a trademark issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyldman11 View Post
    I meant the reason they didn't go with He-ra. Like people calling her HEEE-ra.
    I wish they would have went with their first choice in names: Hee-Haw-Ra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyldman11 View Post
    For some reason I thought there was a trademark issue.
    i don't think you can trademark the name of a goddess that is thousands of years old. i'm pretty sure that name is public domain. thor, for example, is the name of several characters from different publishers and creators.

    what is interesting to me, is how close she-ra is to asherah, the wife of yahweh and queen of heaven in the ancient israelite pantheon, a goddess homologous with hera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micro-Man View Post
    I don't mind the concept of Skeleteen so much but the name keeps reminding me of one of my favorite childhood drinks...

    http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6808/keltra22x.jpg



    I wouldn't mind a Skeleteen figure, though...As long as we also get Dare/He-Ro, Kay-La, and Queen Teela too. That would complete the SoHM faction for me. A Keltra custom is already in the works!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bri-Man View Post
    i don't think you can trademark the name of a goddess that is thousands of years old. i'm pretty sure that name is public domain. thor, for example, is the name of several characters from different publishers and creators.

    what is interesting to me, is how close she-ra is to asherah, the wife of yahweh and queen of heaven in the ancient israelite pantheon, a goddess homologous with hera.
    Asherah is from the Semitic pantheon, which the Israelites are a part of. In that she was the wife of Anu or El. The Israelites came from the tradition of El, and when there was a shift towards monotheism Yahweh would sometimes still have her as a wive. It was a conflict through out the Old Testament of a synthesis of their polytheistic roots vs a monotheistic push which ended up winning out around the time of the exile.

    I mentioned trademark for simplicity sake, and there have been many excuses given over the years. Such as He-ra was too close to Hera, and they didn't want to out right mention a gods name for fear of religious backlash, HEE-ra would confuse people because she was not a he, another IP was or was going to use Hera as a name and they wanted to avoid confusion, amongst others. Now which are true and which aren't I would have to dig further, as I said just ones I have heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bri-Man View Post
    i don't think you can trademark the name of a goddess that is thousands of years old. i'm pretty sure that name is public domain. thor, for example, is the name of several characters from different publishers and creators.
    But that is, indeed, the story according to Mattel, last I heard: there was a tracemark/copyright problem. It may have been the way they were hyphenating it; Hera is definitely public domain, but perhaps He-Ra had already been scooped up by someone else (possibly for a knock-off character capitalizing on He-Man). And copyrights/trademarks are tricky things. I couldn't see someone tradmarking the word Jazz, but Hasbro has to call him Autobot Jazz. And you can call Captain Marvel by name in the story (or cartoon), but any figure or book has to be called "Shazam." And, usinng the Odinson as an example, while movies and TV shows have used that in the title, has there actually been another comic book simply titled "Thor"?

    Of course, you have to recall that Mattel legal apparently has a long history of paranoia about such things, so it may simply be that there was unfounded concern about the name.
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