Does not seem like a cheat to me since the reactor he developed in IM2 pretty much "cured" him from having to worry about being poisoned so this was just freeing him completely of the threat he already removed in IM2
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So, Iron Man fans correct me if I'm wrong: What I've read about the comic Mandarin's ten rings is that they are friggin' game genie codes in an already superpowered universe. I mean there's a ring that distinegrates things and one that rearranges matter? I can only assume that any stories involving him were either The Mandarin without all his rings, or The Mandarin won't-kill-you-just-yet-oh-crap-he-got-out-of-my-trap. I mean he's probably a schemer, but how does anyone lose when you've got ten rings - most of which would give you a good amount of power to go toe-to-toe with many superheros - some of which could kill them outright in an instant. How did they keep him on the level with Iron Man most of the time?
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And now that it has been a few days since Iron Man 3 came out, I feel more inclined to discuss what I hated about it. However, before I actually talk about it, this is going to be full of spoilers, so do not read anymore if you haven't seen it yet.
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The movie played it way too safe. What I mean by how safe it was played is that instead of keeping Mandarin a bad ass terrorist, they went the safe route so not to offend anyone but having it all a hoax. They made it so that Killian was indeed the true villain of the movie, which was predictable. Then they go and infect (or whatever) Pepper, so obviously she survives falling into the fire. Fine, whatever. But then it just so happens that Tony knows exactly how to cure her so everything is back to status quo at the end of the movie. And the vice president being a villain was also predictable because the actor playing him always plays a villain (especially in Tales from the Crypt, which is where I know him from the most). It would have been far more surprising if Pepper had died. Oh yeah, and of course Tony does something really good for the kid, which was also expected.
It is a shame because the first 2/3s of the movie were really intriguing and did a great job building up the movie, and then it all just fizzled out into predictability and boringness.
As I said, I enjoyed the movie. I think it is better than the second movie, but my god, they need to just start doing different things with these characters.
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But what got my slightly Peeved was that it would've been SO COOL if they would've hinted that the surgeon performing the operation was no other than Dr. Steven Strange who was one of the world's greatest surgeons!!!!
And what many are not realizing is the fact that the Ben Kingsley character who played the mandarin in the film received plastic surgery to look like the Mandarin!!!
Now it hasn't been confirmed due to the fact that the contracts are expired for the Iron Man franchise (as Downey has been locked in for appearances only in other features), so they had to wrap it as such but the left THE RED HERRING just in case! And considering this franchise hasn't implemented any off-world adventures (minus the Avengers call back) the choice not to have a full Mandarin with space rings is plausible! I would truly believe that after Avengers 2 the gates for such things will be more available for something like Mandarin's rings which if contracts for more Iron Man movies are reached, we may get a true Mandarin!!!
Which is the other reason why the end credit scene was what it was, to tie up the Downey narrative, and not show anything other... We will hopefully get the Avengers 2 kickstart in Thor as I'm sure something will connect to the Guardians of the Galaxy movie!
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and yes it would have been so cool if there was some hint that the surgeon was Steven Strange.
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Some general thoughts, and in some cases, responses to questions/comments in the thread:
I really enjoyed the movie. I loved the humor and had a great time watching the movie. However, I feel that there were many flaws in the movie a well.
I was ecstatic by their not using magic rings. I do not now, nor do I ever, want to see magic vs tech in the marvel movies. My least favorite marvel movie thus far is Thor (which I still greatly enjoyed), and personally hope that outside of the thor-related stuff, they sidestep magic entirely. That said, although I thought Trevor was hilarious, I'd have preferreed Mandarin to be a legitimate threat. His terrorist persona was very intriguing and I wish that was the "true" persona.
I didn't care for the final battle. I don't like Tony using dozens of armors, nor did I particularly like the extremis soldiers. The armors themselves seemed pretty subpar, but given that Tony was likely cranking out an armor every 10 days or so, I doubt QC was high on his list of priorities.
I believe that Tony's armors keep running out of power simply because their power requirements, when fully utilized for long periods, are greater than the output capacity of the little arc reactor. Just because the arc reactor is essentially unlimited in nature, that doesn't mean that it can produce an unlimited amount of power at any given time. I liken it to why the original little arc reactor, created in the cave, didn't work so well with the Mark 3. It can keen on pumping out juice, but it comes out at a trickle, while the suit requires a full-on blast of it.
Finally, Aldritch's firebreathing was not a reference or homage to Fin Fang Foom. It was a direct tie-in to Mallen, the original extremis villain, who happened to breathe fire. That said, I noticed the serpent tattoos and didn't make the connection to FFF, so good catch to whoever pointed that out.
Oh, we will be getting magic in the marvel universe.
If you mean the standard armor from this movie, it'd be the Mark 42, which would presumably suffer from the same QC as the others from 8-onwards. It was even stated as being a prototype, so it was still fairly buggy.
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I really liked it and thought it was a nice third installment that improved on part 2 which i liked too, but yet the surprises kind of come off cheap like the bad guy. I can't wait to see Tony return in Avengers 2.
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From what reports, rumors and some podcasts have mentioned in regards to Downey's future movie life in Marvel; it's been stated he's been holding out in order to allow fellow Avenger actors to receive the same amount of pay level he has considering the box office numbers these movies are producing and projected to produce. A pretty honorable thing.
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I think that Krosfyah is likely on the money with regards to the reason for the plastic surgery. Also, I would think that you'd want to avoid someone from Croydon saying, "hey, didn't that guy play King Lear here?"
I personally doubt that they will ever touch on the Mandarin again. If they wanted to use the character in any form other than what they did, he would have shown up in this movie. Mandarin is not iconic or even important enough, in the grand scheme of things, to be revisited. A lot of movies are being made, but in the end, there is a limit to how many will come out and as a result there is likely a limited amount of concern about strengthening rogues galleries.
I finally saw this today with my wife. Overall this was a very fun, enjoyable movie! I had a great time watching it. MUCH better than IM2. It would have been nice if there was a little more 'suit time', but it really wasn't too big of a deal since Robert Downey Jr. does such a great job as the Tony character. The Easter Egg after the credits was fun!
The issues that he was having the that suit, itself, didn't really bother me.
But I do kind of agree with what the guys from Half in the Bag (on RedLetterMedia.com) had to say about that. At the end of the film he is able to summon all of those other armors to come help. I know that there was some build up in terms of getting Jarvis working at a capacity to allow that to happen, but it would have made more sense if earlier in the movie he had focused on getting Jarvis working to the point of being able to summon just one of those other more reliable suits rather than continuing to rely on the experimental one that kept having problems.
Plus based on the end battle where he kept quickly jumping from suit to suit, with them being able to open quickly and go on him in full all at once instantly, in mid-air no less, having a full suit fly to him in whole seems much more efficient than many separate pieces that can easily get separated.
The other thing that bugs me just a bit was that he couldn't give Rhodey a suit because they were all only coded to Tony, but he was able to put the bad guy in the mark 42. Maybe this was a specific feature of just that one suit (which was out of commission at the time of Rhodey's request), but it did slightly have a feel of contradiction for the sake of plot convenience.
Keep in mind that I consider these to be relatively minor gripes, and by no means anything that ruined my overall enjoyment of this otherwise excellent movie!
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I also think they won't go with Mandarin again. in the MCU Mandarin was a farce and Killian was the main threat. Mandarin was an idea he made up himself. nothing more. I hope I'm wrong but I believe that's it for the Character in the MCU
I was telling my friend about my being disappointed in the movie and I realized, they've been selling this as a beginning of phase 2 - but it feels more the the epilogue to phase 1.
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Oh, for anyone who didn't notice.... The actor who played the President in this movie played the Grim Reaper in Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey.
I just saw the film and liked it. Even though Tony Stark is not in the armor for much of the picture, I was entertained throughout. I loved all the AIM references and the Radioactive Man cameo.
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loved the movie, thought i would share a few thoughts:
different sort of movie, not nearly as "superhero" as the previous ones. but that is a good thing. it was just a good movie. nothing beats the first though, that movie is probably going to go down as one of the best origin superhero movies ever.
the humor was good. just like the others, but a FEW moments i felt like they just used it too much. like EVERY single time there was a serious moment, they had to completely jam in a humor moment, and thats fine, but there are a few spots where I wanted the drama to last a little bit.
Loved Guy Pierce. great actor, and great job. Not sure I cared about him saying , "I am the mandarin" that felt a little forced for me. with the fire were they leaning towards FFF?
Pepper bad ass for 30 seconds was sort of "ehhhh"" not sure if we needed it. I would have prefered her not even get the injection, only strapped down. but i could go either way.
Mandarin caught me off guard, but i think in a good way. often we find ourselves, in the comic book world to get NO SURPRISES in our movies, because we "know the story" so in that regard i liked it. and it did make sense in the world we live in.
glad they mocked the iron patriot. they get it. just like the fans, that was appreciated.
So apparently the kid signed a 3 picture deal with Marvel to reprise his role.
I really enjoyed the movie. Got called sexist and racist for it.
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