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Personally, I treat the new sword and armor like NA He-Man's lightsaber-esque sword. Too bad they didn't say the sword merely changed shape and granted He-Man new armor like the NA stuff.
So He-Man is Siegfried now, is he? He reforges the Sword in the Magic Fire (accompanied, no doubt, by a heavy soundtrack from Herr Wagner....) and gets not only a bigger blade (and why?) but also a brand new shiny romper-suit! Honestly, it reads like bad parody.
The suit and sword are connected with King Grayskull, we are told - who Giffen sets about 10,000 years in the past (as usual - massive inflation of numbers is a hallmark of weak narrative) - and yet it's all super hi-tech. And shiny - and just like IronMan - and complete with extraneous accretions like tassets (flapping thigh guards) yet with scarcely any more torso protection than if he were still going about in his traditional outfit. One thing is certain; whichever ego at Mattel created that suit, he knew nothing whatsoever about armour. And it's all so silly; since HM is what he is, then how can a smidgeon more armour in a few places actually make any difference to the outcome of his fights? Think about it.
It all comes across as another ego-trip for some executive marketer - and seeking to enforce it via these comics is simply pointless in the long-term.
And one other thing; Skeletor ruled over Eternia and held Castle Grayskull for some time while his enemies were all (temporarily) disposed of with a jolly convenient little amnesia spell on He-Man alone - and I won't go into just what a pathetic plot contrivance that is... But Skeletor ransacks the place at leisure - and has no inkling whatsoever of the existence of the Magic Fire beneath his clawed feet - because he is, as we all know, a simpleton!
I mean, he didn't think to kill off his enemies while he had them where he wanted them, did he? No - woodcutting was sure to work...
These type of black holes in plotting make Filmation at its most contrived and corny look like Tolkien's magnum opus by comparison.
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I never read DC before so I have nothing to compare it to but I know many folks share your opinion.
All I know is that DC Vrs MOTU is the lowest standard of comic I have seen a long time.
As far as who held the top spot each month this year, August was Infinity. Superman Unchained held the top spot for June and July. X-Men was top spot for May. Batman got the top spot for April. But before that, Guardians of the Galaxy for March. Justice League of America for February. And Superior Spider-Man for January.
What th-? Is that an Irish saying? If so, I may adopt that.I loves me Aquaman too butt sad that Ivan Reis left as that dude could draw for Ireland!
Yeah Snyder's Batman is the best DC book right now, in my opinion. I also think Wonder Woman is right up there.
There were barriers because it always seemed like if the version of MOTU being presented was close to Filmation, fandom were okay with it. Try something new that deviates away from Filmation and fandom has a hissy fit. Filmation wasn't the first incarnation of MOTU and shouldn't have to be adhered to in any of the revamps of MOTU. MYP MOTU, even though it had a lot of it's own stuff, wreaked of Filmation just to please some of the old school fans.The DC book has changed it loads honestly. That's what all this fuss is about.
Violence and brutality is not the mark of quality as you seem to think when you refer to as "broadening the world".
There was no barriers of the old. The lack of violence or brutality is not a barrier to creativity and good stories like you think it is.
The DC book, while dipping into some scant few Filmation and even MYP concepts and characters, is trying to build it's own world. A lot of it reminds me more of some of the more darker vibe the original mini comics were trying to capture in the early days.
Never said they were complete fools, just some of the ways they portray their opinions borders on foolish. Constantly ranting against Giffen and saying DC needs to fire him for one. DC hired the guy to be the head writer, so I'd give him an honest chance to build his vision of this story. Who is to say if Giffen got fired and DC hired someone else that those who hate the book would like the stories any better?Suggesting people are fools for asking for a higher quality comic is very insulting.
Hah, yeah the nerds who tried a White House petition had that blow up in their faces pretty good. As for Affleck cast as Batman, I think the outrage is that Affleck couldn't carry a superhero movie before and who is to say he can suddenly improve?I don't think anybody's being raging either, I haven't. I refer you to Batman and Ben Afflick for real stupid fans and the White House Petition or any Star Wars fans.
As for Star Wars fans, they are NEVER satisfied with anything Lucas gives them. Might as well accept that as a fact.
Discussing pros and cons isn't harmful. The constant berating and staying negative is what isn't constructive and just works people up unnecessarily.And I must say that it's rather rediculous you suggesting that discussing what is and isn't good about the comic is somehow harmful.
Since sales seem to be spiking upwards and there really hasn't been much significant changes made in favor of the DC book haters then so far it isn't working. The only change that has happened is Teela's hair is red again. Everything else seems the same as when the book started.How would you know if its' working or not? We have only just started.
THAT was what was wrong with Castle Grayskull?! No further comment on that or I could get in trouble.The door was too small and now it's much bigger after fans went nuts.
The toyline was on the verge of collapse? When? And if it ever was close to dying, I would blame the ability to only buy the figures online and the prices as the reason.We also saved the toyline but according to you we don't make any difference.
Of course, Mattel must be trying to broaden sales of the MOTUC if they are suddenly showing up at some Big Lots stores for ten bucks a figure.
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I don't actually think He-Man became more powerful, exactly. If that were the case, he probably wouldn't need such a layer of protective covering on his body.
As for the sword, my personal idea borders along the lines of what happened in the final episode of the MYP cartoon. Remember when He-Man was in battle against Serpos and the sword demonstrated the new ability to open up and discharge massive amounts of destructive energy into Serpos? The sword was evolved by the Elders or whatever resides in Castle Grayskull's nether realms to better equip He-Man with the means to combat a massive snake god. I mean, we never saw King Grayskull do that with the same sword during his battle with Hordak in ancient times.
This idea of better equipping He-Man based on a new threat is what I'm thinking. The Sword of Power was re-shaped to a much bigger weapon and given the abilities to give off destructive energies to better combat the kinds of threats the Horde pose. A bigger weapon means He-Man can take down more Horde Troopers in close combat. Of course, it's all my own personal theory.
And, back to the pros and cons of the comic. Why can't there be constructive discussion of ways to make the comic and stories within more pleasureable to fans who currently aren't exactly thrilled with it instead of constant talk about DC firing Giffen or DC giving the book to Marvel?
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My way with these comics.
MOTULA: Now we have new DC comics, what do you think about them?
What's your opinion?
Val Staples: I haven't read much of them. I haven't had the time yet. But from what I have read, I'm curious and want to read more. I aim to keep an open mind. I find it's best to treat new material like I did when I was a child. Back then, I had no preconceived notions or expectations. I simply took things as they were presented and enjoyed them as such. I feel it's a LOT more fun that way.
Not that I disagree personally, but you do realize that is opinion and not fact, don't you? I doubt that those who don't like 200x would say "200x is really high quality, with top notch storylines and designs. However, I must be really weird, because I don't care for it. "
A few MOTU DC Match up figures that would have been cool:
Batman/Man At Arms
these are really the only ones I can think of.
DCU vs MOTU issue 5.
With the fate of the earth in the balance, it’s the final showdown between the DC heroes and the Masters of the Universe! Plus, Teela and John Constantine travel to a dark realm to rescue Superman and find the secret of reversing the enchantment that holds Earth’s champions under its spell.
Hordak Alpha, if they are trying to build a new world, why didn't they take time to lay it out BEFORE doing an invasion. Since, as you stated, thesis a new world, I know nothing about it. Instead of laying it out, I have no idea who any of the characters are or why they don't like each other. Why is there a King? Who made him King? Are there other kings? How much of the world does he rule? Why does the king trust He-Man? Why is Teela such a *****?
THIS is why we are saying it is a bad story. At least in Justice League, they introduced the characters and how they became a team. None of that building here from what I have read. I refuse to buy it, but read it at the comic store until it sickens me too much.
There is potential for good things to happen with the book if they put more effort and care into it, though I fear it's becoming too late to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. I agree with Eamon in that I wish they'd just reboot it again and start from scratch. However, I doubt DC/Mattel would do that at this stage in the game.
I encourage those going to Power-Con this weekend to attend the panel about the DC Comic. Rob David and Joe Ferencz from Mattel are both panelists. At SDCC, Rob referred to himself as Mattel's "head writer on Masters of the Universe" and spoke at length about the comic. Joe is the Franchise Business Development Manager at Mattel. This panel presents fans with an excellent opportunity to express concerns and ask questions during the Q&A: http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...ng-addition%2F
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We all may not like the Ferrarai. But we know it's a well made piece of machinary, therefore is of a high quality.
That is not opinion. That is a fact.
I hope that example will help put this to bed finally.
You said "Hollywood churns out for angst ridden, emo drama teen queens who have no concept of a good story."
That's a massive blanket rather judgemental statement which also extremely hypocrital given your approach to me. That is a fact not opinion. Fact as I can point to it.
As one of board members just said, Batman hasn't changed and that comic rocks.
I think it shows a lack of imagination if you think you have to change something so drastically to make it any way good.
[QUOTE=Hordak Alpha;3330797] Never said they were complete fools, just some of the ways they portray their opinions borders on foolish. Constantly ranting against Giffen and saying DC needs to fire him for one. DC hired the guy to be the head writer, so I'd give him an honest chance to build his vision of this story. Who is to say if Giffen got fired and DC hired someone else that those who hate the book would like the stories any better?
To which I would quote
Why are you affording the makers of this comic more chances than others? I would put good money I could go back through your history here or anywhere else and find you dumping on something.
Unless of course you are getting paid to defend the comic, your whole approach here is very odd indeed....as are others.
Nobody is being like what you describe. I don't think we are allowed to anyways are we? From what I am hearing if anybody is raging and berating, they get an infindgement don't they?!
It's still rediculous to suggest that critising something that is not very good is somehow harmful. Unless of course you have never done so which would make you the first person in history never to complain.
Are sales of this comic book spiking? I would like you to provide proof. I am open to being educated on this specifically as I don't watch the sale numbers.
These comics are created well in advance so if there was any change we would not see it for a while would we?!
Or are you just now arguing for the sake of it? You wouldn't be the first.
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I sure hope there is balance at the comic panel cause there are definitely a lot of us that love the direction they are going and don't want the comic to change. Sure there are plenty of vocal critics who accuse us of having poor taste...(which is ridiculous as we all have different likes and dislikes....insulting people for liking things you don't is just childish)...but I hope the sales numbers prove to be strong enough to ignore them.
But if folks were indeed insulted, then I apologise.
On the flip side:
I have had my intelligence and my career decisions questioned directly to me on this thread which i feel is a bit personal but I have not even raised that as it's not really an issue for me, is besides the point and I know for many this is the only way they feel they can win a debate.
I also personally think its rather ironic that someone who is so happy with excessive violence and bad language is so sensitive to an off the cuff remark.
Generally speaking, it is in poor taste to be ok with violence. That's general opinion and not just my own.
To then celebrate the addition of violence as though it automatically improves things, I think says a lot.
Am I now going to get arguments from people defending violence?
I would also like to add that If people can't recognize bad anatomy or bad storytelling, it isn't an insult. An opinion can be skewed by an uneducated eye, but still art may be objectively bad, which remains a fact, not an opinion.
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Best thing would be that they produce a second series that shows the normal Masters of the Universe, then everybody could enjoy their comic vision