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    Just got back from it; loved it. I loved the references to
     
    the "Mudd" incident, the Gorn, and the return of the Tribble
    , and overall thought it was a lot of fun. I like the way the
     
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    looked as well. Scotty had a lot more to do this time around, and Cumberbatch was fantastic.

    And it feels like Peter Weller is showing up everywhere these days!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thatman View Post
    And it feels like Peter Weller is showing up everywhere these days!
    It does, doesn't it? I thought he was really great in his role.
     
    He switched between concerned elder officer to (temporary) big bad very effectively.



    Also, interesting article on who almost played the main villain (which has a spoiler):
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    I thought the villain had a compelling, almost sympathetic, case to do what he did, like Loki in Thor. I liked that aspect. He was a likable entertaining villain I'd like to see comeback for a rematch.

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    Anyone buying the Kre-Os? I was really excited about them. I got the Enterprise and it was fun to put together... but got a little annoyed with getting the uppermost saucer piece on the top and wondered if I should really get into collecting them. So I took it back. Now, though, after seeing the movie I wanted to buy them again! LOL. So I got most of the sets with Entertainment Earth's 20% off sale. I'll probably re-buy the Enterprise tomorrow. Sigh. I was really trying to avoid buying them but after watching some reviews online I decided they are actually pretty cool.

    We're supposed to get a total of 11 sets in all, I believe. So after seeing the movie I'm excited to see what else they will come out with. Kreon-wise, we need a Chekov, obviously. I'd also like to get Carol Marcus, a proper John Harrison with long coat, Admiral Marcus, Pike, and older Spock.

    As far as future full sets, my main want is a
     
    USS Vengeance set on-par with the Enterprise. Harrison's attack fighter would be cool. Some torpedos with space for specialists figures inside would be neat. Other than that, I'm a bit hard pressed to think of what else we could get. Maybe Mudd's trader ship?
    Or they could go back to 2009 and give us the Kelvin and maybe the space platform. Of course, I'd love a Bridge set, too, but I'm not sure that'll happen with it being in the Enterprise set.

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    Watched Star Trek (2009) on dvd last night and going to watch Star Trek: Into Darkness at the theater today.
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    I'm probably going to take my dad out to see this for his birthday (Huge ST fan, and he liked the last one.)
    From what I've heard in online VLOGs about it, it's
     
    A half way decent remake of Wrath Of Khan
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    I just watched this today and I was very entertained. It was in my opinion a huge upgrade over Star Trek (2009) in terms of plot, and the actors were all pulling out their A-game. I'm still hugely entertained by the new mr Scott, and I think the new mr Spock nails the role perfectly.

    Really really solid movie, I'd recommend it to both fans and non-fans.

    I especially like that it
     
    adresses the rushed job in the first movie of making Kirk jump straight from junior crewman to Captain. It was a plotline I enjoyed and which played out nicely. You can see him mature into the role, just like old Kirk did. And all the little homages entertained me as well. My friend, who isn't a Trek fan but went to see it with me, nonetheless enjoyed it very much with a completely "open mind" so to speak.
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    Just saw the movie and LOVED it! I thought it was even better than the first one. I really have no complaints at all. GREAT movie!
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    I liked it, although as much as it borrows from Wrath of Kahn, I think Abrams really can't seem to get his head around the naval-battle elements of Star Trek and how much of WoK used that as well. Once again, he's put the Entperise up against an impossibly huge enemy vessel and isn't really going for the captain vs captain game of chess and wits that were in many episodes of the old Trek and particularly in Wrath of Kahn. He maybe should force himself to watch Master and Commander a few times to try and get that part of it. Or heck at least a few submarine movies. Somehow the ship against ship parts were the least interesting in this movie as I felt they were in the last one too. It doesn't surprise me now that I've read that they are thinking of the Borg for a future movie. Another massive and super-powered enemy there. It's too bad they don't look more at the original series for massive threats like the Planet Killer instead of going back to the Borg well again.

    Benedict Cumberbatch was good, but I don't think he was
     
    "perfect" for the role of Kahn per say. He was excellent as this movie's version of him, but Kahn had a charm that wasn't on display here. This guy was more cold and calculating like the super-powered version Sherlock. He was neither the OS version of Kahn, nor the one who'd created a passion for vengeance in the first sequel movie either. We only got a little of his passion with regard to his lost crew, but the man who seduced Lt. McGivers into helping him and who was so admirably polite and graceful despite being so fiendish just wasn't in this version. Mantalban commanded the screen more IMO and quite differently as the role both times was just not the same as this.


    I think my favorite aspect here was seeing so much of future Earth. Gotta love that San Francisco still has street cars. I don't know what those red shuttles were that Spock chased Kahn onto (fire trucks?), but they looked very Star Wars-y and very toy-appropriate too (unfortunate that Playmates bombed it so badly last time that this movie has no toys). I kind of dislike that Pike will never have anything resembling his happy ending on Talos in Abrams' vision, but I saw his arc coming a mile away. I hope future sequels will give more to the rest of the crew as well. Bones, Chekov, and Sulu all had less to do than I want to see if we will only see them once every four years. They hint at Sulu becoming a captain some day, but Chekov was mostly just an accent again while McCoy was hardly used as the third voice in the troika with Kirk and Spock. I liked Uhura's part as negotiator and hope we'll see more of that if the Klingons are used more heavily. It's unfortunate that her getting more screen time though also seems tied to her being someone else's love interest. I know some female Star Trek fans who predicted that's how she would be used because that's how women are seen in these kinds of stories. I guess that's more true than I want it to be. At least she's included in the action and story now and at least Carol wasn't defined by being Kirk's future lover (sort of).

    They really do need to be making these every two years. Four was too long. The actors don't look so young anymore, and it seems like they are even counting on many more adventures. I mean
     
    leaving Kahn alive at the end and the insistence that a war with the Klingons was eminent suggested to me that they intend to do more than just one more movie.
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    Saw it again today. I think I liked it even more this time!

    Picked up the Kre-O Enterprise, again. You know, after seeing it again, everyone assumes the Kreon that comes with the space dive set is John Harrison, but that doesn't make much sense as
     
    that figure is wearing a generic "specialist" (aka Vengeance crew member) outfit and Harrison/Khan never wore that outfit.

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    Wow, it took 5 months, but this is the first movie this year that has actually been really really good. The characters were well done, the one liners were funny, the plot was interesting and had some plot twists I did not see coming. I do have a few nitpicks with the movie, one of them includes they pretty much brought in this blonde woman who is there just to create a love interest for Kirk. There are also some pacing issues I have with the movie, especially in its first half hour. Outside of that though, the movie is great. Harrington (played by Sherlock's actor) easily steals the show and turns out an incredible performance. Once again every scene with Simon Pegg is phenomenal and all of the one liners from Bones are hilarious. There is nothing after the credits so you don't need to stay through them if you don't want to. This movie does a great job of not sabotaging the first movie and keeps your body moving through the entire thing. Yes, I went there for those of you that I know as to what I am referring to. :-) Overall, I give the movie a 9/10 and it is by far the best movie to come out this year!!

    Oh yeah, by the way, who else is expecting gay fanfiction to come out of the scene when Kirk and Spock were touching each other's hands through the glass? I could not help but laugh and facepalm.

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    Sheer garbage, even my wife hated it, and she didn't mind the first Abrams Trek. Here's Movie Bob's opinion and yes he states there are spoilers LOL
    Garbage? Did you even watch this movie? This is the only movie this year to be good. Everything else has been anywhere from utter garbage to mediocre at best.

    BTW, Movie Bob is a glorified ****bag!! I've seen coal brighter than this dumb***. The man lost me when he praised Suckerpunch a few years back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Kain View Post

    Oh yeah, by the way, who else is expecting gay fanfiction to come out of the scene when Kirk and Spock were touching each other's hands through the glass? I could not help but laugh and facepalm.

    Considering slash fiction was pretty much invented by Kirk/Spock pairings I wouldn't be surprised.

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    Great movie, saw it earlier today and it didn't disappoint, unlike Ironman 3, and I hope they will do more with this cast. but maybe they will finally get explore new worlds for more then 5 minutes or so anyway.

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    Saw it today, loved it, will see it again. Loved the armored look of the Klingons and the fact they alluded to the coming War, and really loved how they are openly utilizing the multiverse aspect of the first movie.

    The callbacks to the original series were great. I also thought
     
    Kahn was done well, Ricardo Montalbán is dead and nobody will do as good as job as he did as Kahn. People need to let that go, the comparisons are unfair. Montalbán Kahn had more time to establish himself as well with the original series. You did not need to build him for Wrath of Kahn, he was already there he just stepped it up to the next level against Kirk.


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    But Garry, how do you know who he is in "this" Universe??? Kirk is blond in this Universe, things change when you deal with alternate timelines and multiverse aspects

    I get your issue on race in general though
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    The racebending discussion is kind of interesting. It didn't bother me exactly because as marka said, Ricardo Montalban is gone and nobody can replace him, and Cumberbatch did a good job.

    Of course the original Khan was a bit of a racebend as well as he was an Indian character played by a Mexican actor who really looked and sounded NOTHING like an Indian. All part of the idea that if you're not a white American you can just play any other nationality at work, I guess!

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    Never seen 1 episode of Star Trek. Maybe I should try out these movies. The movies looked....revived.

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    Dr. Kain, the blond woman is extremely important to Kirk in the future, at least in the original Kirk's future. I agree she was pretty much eye candy in this movie, but she had one of the best reactions to watching something get squished.
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    I really enjoyed the movie. I thought it was well acted. The character development is vastly improved. You believe these are your beloved characters. The story was put together very well for the most part. I have a couple of problems with it:
     


    • They telegraph the Khan reveal. By the time he goes to Kronos you pretty much know it's him.

      The "KHHHHHAAAAAAAAANNNN" bit just had me going "Really?". It doesn't have the emotional weight it did in Wrath Of Khan, and honestly the movie would be just as great if it wasn't here.

      The biggest issue I had is that the Khan Blood is a Deus ex machina. To be fair, with the way they wrote the story up until the point where they reverse the Wrath Of Khan sacrificial roles, and have Kirk go into the Warp Core, I don't know how else they could have done it. But nevertheless it just seems contrived.

      Another minor nitpick is how Spock gets out of the fight with Khan practically unscathed. He jumps from one hover car to another about a story drop, no leg injuries. Then Khan knee bashes the hell out of his ribs. Everyone else who went toe to toe with the guy got wrecked. I would have thought going to Kirk's bedside would have had Spock showing up with taped ribs at least.




    Nitpicks aside I'd say go see it. The 3-D was really good too. Almost as good as The Avengers. So if you like 3-D, and even if you didn't like the last one, I think you'll like this.
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    I can't believe what happens with this film in the rest of the world, dates of releases in various countries are very far away, for example in my country is just in August and Japan too. I don't understand this strategy of Paramount, this helps to piracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeviot View Post
    I really enjoyed the movie. I thought it was well acted. The character development is vastly improved. You believe these are your beloved characters. The story was put together very well for the most part. I have a couple of problems with it:
    How did you know it was Kahn? Is Kronos significant or something?

    And the screaming name thing seemed quite natural to me. Although, I thought he screamed Kirk's name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavy-eternium View Post
    I can't believe what happens with this film in the rest of the world, dates of releases in various countries are very far away, for example in my country is just in August and Japan too. I don't understand this strategy of Paramount, this helps to piracy.
    That's what you get for getting Iron Man 3 early.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeviot View Post
    I really enjoyed the movie. I thought it was well acted. The character development is vastly improved. You believe these are your beloved characters. The story was put together very well for the most part. I have a couple of problems with it:
     
    Spocks lack of injuries is easy to explain, the intense emotion and adrenaline he felt after Kirk died allowed him to power through. Remember you never see what happened after Kahn gets put down. We just see Spock realize he does not need to kill Kahn and then we move forward 2 weeks or so when Kirk recovers. It is entirely possibly Spock was in "bad" shape minutes after they took Kahn into custody. With the med advances they have in that century healing some cuts and broken bones should not be too difficult in 2 weeks. We don't see them again till 1 year later after the Kirk is alive scene


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    And the screaming name thing seemed quite natural to me. Although, I thought he screamed Kirk's name.
    No he did not say Kirk

    It seemed natural to me as well, it fit in with the idea that Spock was being overwhelmed by emotion and allowing his human side to have more control over him then TOS Spock. I can see why some people rolled their eyes but as a story device I felt it was appropriate and was done well.
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    I watched it on IMAX 3D and loved it! I thought it was very well done, even if it moves at breakneck speed. I have to give it a second viewing on IMAX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markatisu View Post
    Saw it today, loved it, will see it again. Loved the armored look of the Klingons and the fact they alluded to the coming War, and really loved how they are openly utilizing the multiverse aspect of the first movie.

    The callbacks to the original series were great. I also thought


    But Garry, how do you know who he is in "this" Universe??? Kirk is blond in this Universe, things change when you deal with alternate timelines and multiverse aspects

    I get your issue on race in general though
    Kirk isn't a natural blonde, those look like frosted highlights!!. (just being silly)

    anyway saw it last night imax 3d and i LOVED it. so much fun, some recurring themes and patterns i noticed but they didn't bother me, just kind of fun 'here we go agains" Stark Trek seems to love disabling the enterprise doesn't it?? and this universe Chekov and Scotty seem contractually obligated to run through corridors in a panic to solve an issue and they have have characters jump off of something high.

    do we still need spoiler tags??

     
    the klingons ROCKED! cumberbatch was fantastic EXCEPT (mind you I never even SAW the original episode with khan or The Wrath of Khan in it's entirety so I'm not married to Montalban's performance - but what i did see I liked) I didn't find Cumberbatch's screen presence imposing. His acting was however FANTASTIC, but when he wasn't talking he always felt (to me) more like a angsty teen than a charming, brilliant, ruthless super being. it had nothing to do with race but more so to do with how he looks. To further explain; Cillian Murphy, the Scarecrow from Batman Begins etc looks (to me) REALLY creepy. so his presence has an air of menace, Cumberbatch just looks like he is whiny, now mind you this is a minor nit pick as his performance did a lot to distract me from that. but for Khan I would hope for a different type of vibe. anyway it's not a huge deal as i LOVED this movie.


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    Oh and yes the 3d was FANTASTIC, unlike the LAST movie I saw in imax 3d (iron man 3) this movie had some good depth and stuff flying at you instances.

    I also liked that there were TWO animated Batmen in this movie, and funnily enough the older one was responsible for bringing the younger one into starfleet!! (my batman nerd meter was off the charts when I saw weller!!)
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    I liked this exchange

     
    Khan: Well, let's play this out logically then, Mr Spock. Firstly, I will kill your captain to demonstrate my resolve, then, if your's holds I will have no choice but to kill you and your entire crew.

    Spock: If you destroy our ship, you will also destroy your own people.

    Khan: Your crew requires oxygen to survive, mine does not. I will target your life support systems located behind the aft nacelle. And after every single person aboard your ship suffocates I will walk over your cold corpses to recover my people. Now, shall we begin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCB View Post
    I liked this exchange
    Yeah I think in that part especially cumberbatch nailed the character, that is exactly the type of logic we would have seen from that character

    I think one problem people seem to have with the events of this movie is that there was no real build up on the character, I can understand but at the same time being a multiverse you are supposed to know who the characters already are so its (fairly or unfairly) using the past 2 appearances to aid in the story. This is proven to be the intention when Spock talks to Spock

    I saw it again this afternoon, it was just as good as the first time. Its just a fun movie with a lot of callbacks to the originals but with an interesting fresh take. Don't nitpick it all to hell and you will have a fun time I think
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