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Unfortunately, the anxiety to complete eras has caused the old era divisions to re-emerge. "I don't like _______ characters.", "Getting _______ holds _________ back.", "___________ is taking away tooling from ____________.", "__________ is the reason why Classics has trouble selling subs.", "I can't sell off __________ and have to take a loss on that character!".
Preferences are fine, but I take issue with fans of "greater eras" telling fans of "lesser eras" that their characters shouldn't get made, "take one for the team" or some other euphemism. I can't wait until 2015 ends, because the Vintage only fans will be satisfied and there will be no more conflict over what gets made from THAT faction.
I loved the 2010-2011 period where fans were championing for their favorite obscure character. But when things became dire, the fandom regressed back to it's 2008 state.
If the line had not started the way it did, probably we wouldn't be talking about it now.
If the first year would have contained figures like Mermista or Pikablue, the line wouldn't have been the success it was. Sorry, but that's my point of view. Had the line been flooded with not A rank female characters from the beginning (not even talking about the female buck parts etc), more people would have complained about it that now.
This is classics, not PoP, not MOTU, not He-Man (that's the toyline name, not NA), etc. Characters are released when considered properly (due to A rank spread, tooling, factions, etc). If someone is just interested in one or two of the factions, ok, you can buy whatever you want, but don't complain about it when you can't get a figure because it is sub only and you are not subbing, or about price rising in your faction characters (because swapping month releases would make mre expensive figures other collectors want).
And looking at He-Man toyline releases (5 in all these years, one of them a He-Man variant), where most of its characters are visually different, is funny seeing people complaining about the figures of PoP, when they double (at least) the number of the aforementioned faction with almost identical figures (girls with different hairdresses and clothes).
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I'm reminded of Star Wars action figure collecting.
Some people are Vintage Trilogy only, younger fans lean more the prequel. Everyone has a favorite "moment"...Cantina, Death Star, Rebel Pilots, Hoth battle, Bespin, Bounty Hunter's, Jabba's palace, or Ewok village... Jedi Knights, Clones what have you. Some people want EU, but most don't. Clone Wars was never as popular a style/brand as the prequel trilogy but it helped move toy sales along for a few years...
If I see an Ewok, I don't hesitate, but clones BLARFG! How many of em do you need?!?! How many people buy star wars toys do you know that are "all in"? Would Star Wars toys be successful if it was ALL mail away exclusives? Is it even a fair comparison?
My point (Admitingly, a little counter point to my above example) sometimes you HAVE to have a focus in order for a toy line to see "completion". Look at diversification of DCUC and the 2014 DC sub (probably) not continuing...Is that what WE want?
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The Masters battled the Horde in the Mini-comics and other comic books. That's how we know the horde... We didn't even know that Hordak knew a girl named Adora. and they were mean and nasty. When we tuned into She-Ra we seen a Horde that was inept and comical and they were anything but menacing. We wanted the Horde that was represented on the back of the figure cards... If the horde wasn't on She-Ra I wonder how popular she would be today. I would bet... not very.
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U do realize the vast majority of active posters on this forum are 30+ years old.
I think more to the point is the confussion of what MOTUC is.
It is a combination of ALL the eras/factions, for whatever reasson they were included...they were.
Its a shame that more people arent a fan of what MOTUC really is which is a uinion of all eras/factions. It's even sadded that people are "clining" to their past ideas. Yes, She-Ra was made for girls...she is now made for a prodominetly male adult collectors line...
I think a lot of collectors need to grow up a bit. A bit of an oxymoron talking about adults playing with toys though, so i guess you naturally tend to get more immature viewpoints on things like this.
I don`t get your point. Why is it a shame, when someone just like toy stuff from his childhood? Nostalgia is an important factor when it comes to a hobby like toy collecting and for me it`s the most important factor. I put my money in those toys to have nice updates of the stuff I had as a kid. Stuff, that brings memories back. This toyline has many characters and I can choose and buy figures I want. And I think it`s offending to say adult fans need to grow up because they don`t see MOTUC the way you see...
From the get go we knew this would include POP, NA and 200x, it even went a step deeper to prototypes and concepts, and nowadays we have filmation and soon enough MOVIE FIGURES!
Don't forget MOTUC kickstarted with 200x ! King Grayskull may very well be the most iconic figure of this line
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I'm selective (selective as hell actually !) and i do care about what MOTUC is all about, and it is probably the best and only official way to get figures you never dreamed of coming true the way you remember them!
For real, MOTUC is not adding anime hyper details and stuff like that, in my opinion it doesn't get any better than this
At this point, on the eve of the 2014 sub going through (I am sure it will), I am adopting a new motto:
Only one more year of this ****. That's right. One more year of sub pledge drives, of people hating on all figures from a specific series just out of principle rather than the merits of the toy or character. I get that people may not like a character here or there... I'm not real fond of Rio Blast or Oo-lar, but just blanket hatred of a whole group has grown tiresome.
I am so very weary of stubborn, close mindedness that comes up over and over and over and over without end.
One more year.
It is spelled "Crita", not "Critta". Misspell her name and Crita will knock the "T" out of you!
Also...get her into the line!
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The phrase "need to grow up" is used in response to the statement of "POP was marketed towards girls, it's too girlie, they were dolls, etc.".
No one, that i am aware of has argued that. However it was nearly 30 years ago and we are talking NOW about POP action figures. Figures that have been incorporated into and are now part of the MOTU universe. Action figures that were made to appeal to a broader market.
Unfortunatly, with a broader market you try to appeal to more broad minded individuals and the inclusion of POP, NA, 200x, imo, demonstarates the narrow minded mindset if many "fans".
Bemoaning what was, is, imho, immature & childish. Not to mention using what something was 30 years ago is somehow a reasson for exclusion to the line.
We all grow and mature as has this line...well the line has atleast...
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The issue IS...
POP, NA fans know, understand, and except that to get their figures they need to support the line, as has been explained agnosium by TG.
YET vintage fans some how think, after they've been told over and over and over by the brand manager without the inclusion of all factions there would be no line.
YET, vintage say "oh no...it should be vintage only, it'd be stronger......blah. Blah, blah..."
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I completely agree that MOTUC is all lines/factions combined. But it's a greater truth that this line is not a new invention, and is sold primarily from memories, or catering to prior interest. It may be hard for some people to see why people have interest in PoP, but, it also seems difficult for others to understand that faction X, Y or Z doesn't fall into more people's already existing interest.
It's not sad that anybody wants a complete vintage collection just like it's not sad that people only want a complete PoP collection.
What would be sad is a line that catered to the smaller crowd, didn't gain enough popularity, and died before we got even half this far.
Thread counts from the org (as of this post):
5,872 - MOTU (the original)
3,540 - 200X (reboot of MOTU)
1,822 - PoP
598 - NA
So, take into account that 200x was reimagined from the original, and allow slots for figures accordingly, and you would probably come up with a roadmap that looks very familiar to what we've had thus far. **excluding the first year that catered to the original line (and it's reboot, and it's prototypes, and the mini comics that came with it's figures) only, which I've already made my view clear, in that it shows a different portrayal for "classics", whatever the true intention may have been or became**
You'd have a ton of vintage related stuff, a couple PoP figures, and a NA figure. And that's a direct correlation to fan interest. Nothing to be upset about at all. People just post crazy things and it's already hard enough to gauge sarcasm or hostility from the typed word.
And, even if we talk about MOTU, characters like Roboto, Sy-klone, Beastman, Whiplash or Scareglow seem more diferent to me than the vast majority of the PoP ladies.
I can understand why some don't want to see the original spin-offs and sequels and movies and comics as "chapters" in a larger story. I was there as each new thing was introduced and I can understand because it's how I once reacted to some of those things as well. Heck, I refused to go see the '87 movie when it came out because the pictures I saw in MOTU Magazine were too far removed from "my" MOTU and I got very annoyed by the idea that they "ruined" He-Man. I really disliked the POP figures/dolls back in the 80s. I thought they were garish and didn't match the cartoon versions. I completely loathed the NA toys and cartoon for years and thought they were a blight on the name of He-Man.
However, I guess I've moved past many of these perceptions (Don't get me started on the new DC comic though ). Every area of the MOTU world has its gold to mine, and now we're seeing everything under one "roof" which is as it should be, IMO. The 4H knock all of these characters out of the park and seeing the figures all together in ONE collection is just really cool to me.
Everyone is entitled to their likes and dislikes, sure, but from my long years as a fan and as a member of the fandom, I have found that it's far more pleasurable expanding one's perception of the MOTU world instead of limiting it to just, say, "82-85 vintage MOTU." The point I was trying to make was essentially, "why not keep an open mind about these things and try to look at them in new ways?" It's fun finding NEW things to enjoy in stuff that maybe didn't seem so cool once upon a time.
As for girls toys and boys toys, feh. It's a cultural construct. It's time people get over that stuff. But if you want to go with that, I'd say MOTUC are "gender neutral" toys. They aren't being marketed in the blue and pink aisles in stores. So go on and buy Castaspella. You know you want to.
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