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    Quote Originally Posted by Jun-Yor View Post

    Wing piece 1: 30-45º/”Relaxed” (left), cuff: upper arm
    Wing piece 2: 30-45º/”Relaxed” (right), cuff: upper arm
    Wing piece 3: 90º/”Full spread” (left), cuff: upper arm
    Wing piece 4: 90º/”Full spread” (right), cuff: upper arm
    Wing piece 5: 90º bent arm piece (left), cuff: forearm
    Wing piece 6: 90º bent arm piece (right), cuff: forearm
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    Actually, the wings could be mirrored quite easily. Wings 1 and 2 could be the same, as can be 3 and 4, as well as 5 and 6. That cuts the tooling in half.

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    just fix her face.. was all messed up in production.. the temple of darkness mini comic sorceress face looks worse imo.

    the proto was beautiful and then she bad botox, or surgery
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    Cloth, with a wire inside.
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    Cloth all the way. LEARN from mistakes... don't keep repeating them just to 'match' what came before.

    1) Sorceress needs to have the wings connected to her wrists/arms

    2) She needs to be able to move her arms into poses

    3) She needs to sit in the throne

    I've never seen any suggestion... not Emiliano's... not anything in this thread... that will do everything it needs to do. Here's the #1 reason though for me... The cloak IS cloth. It's a cape/cloak.. it's not biological, it's not armor, it's cloth and feathers... use cloth to simulate it.

    As for matching the others? The others were failures. To heck with them. We have King Randor... we have King He-man... We have Marlena... none of whom can actually sit on their thrones like they're always portrayed. Don't keep THAT trend going

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    For the love of God, please no cloth, soft goods are almost universally horrendous at this scale...

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    Cloth all the way. LEARN from mistakes... don't keep repeating them just to 'match' what came before.

    1) Sorceress needs to have the wings connected to her wrists/arms

    2) She needs to be able to move her arms into poses

    3) She needs to sit in the throne

    I've never seen any suggestion... not Emiliano's... not anything in this thread... that will do everything it needs to do. Here's the #1 reason though for me... The cloak IS cloth. It's a cape/cloak.. it's not biological, it's not armor, it's cloth and feathers... use cloth to simulate it.

    As for matching the others? The others were failures. To heck with them. We have King Randor... we have King He-man... We have Marlena... none of whom can actually sit on their thrones like they're always portrayed. Don't keep THAT trend going
    While I can't argue with that logic...it's not like they have thrones to sit.

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    yes please!

    one of the most disappointing figures from TG's era, those drums are....man I cant even explain, they totally ruined the aesthetic of the fgure. Why didnt they use the vintage action feature instead? It would have been so simple and could have worked still for today's industry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimikrakra View Post
    can you post some pictures from behind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazer Force Zodac View Post
    can you post some pictures from behind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by No-Ah View Post
    Cloth, with a wire inside.
    I agree. Plastic just wont work. It creates too many problems.

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    So... at this point I'm guessing she's a glorified statue?

    Or the "wings" won't be attached to the arms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DroothR View Post
    http://www.he-man.org/assets/images/...eress_full.jpg

    So... at this point I'm guessing she's a glorified statue?

    Or the "wings" won't be attached to the arms?
    maybe her wings are made out of Crita's shawl material? then they can bend?
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    Soft, pliable rubber ala Shadow Weaver with no break in sculpting all the way.

    It's a cape, not wings. Why is it they are always treated as wings and not a cape?

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    Quote Originally Posted by True Form View Post
    Soft, pliable rubber ala Shadow Weaver with no break in sculpting all the way.

    It's a cape, not wings. Why is it they are always treated as wings and not a cape?
    RIGHT ON!

    I have the same question it´s a cape, pure and simple. The Vintage toy had pseudo wings since they needed an action feature and even those were´t real wings.

    200X Sorceress is another issue but FILMATION Sorceress has none.

    In the very first preview video we saw, PIXEL DAN walks around the show case and there we could see her from behind. There were no drums so i think the cape is a solid piece which plugs to her back/neck and i at least hope we´ll get another folded down cape to mimic a cape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    Cloth all the way. LEARN from mistakes... don't keep repeating them just to 'match' what came before.

    1) Sorceress needs to have the wings connected to her wrists/arms

    2) She needs to be able to move her arms into poses

    3) She needs to sit in the throne

    I've never seen any suggestion... not Emiliano's... not anything in this thread... that will do everything it needs to do. Here's the #1 reason though for me... The cloak IS cloth. It's a cape/cloak.. it's not biological, it's not armor, it's cloth and feathers... use cloth to simulate it. :
    Exactly. Just watch the episode 'Teela's Triumph' to see this is the case. I swear some folks are obsessed with this so called 'Classics aesthetic' and need to allow the line to evolve! If you want a plastic Sorceress cape then buy the Classics Sorceress or wait for an Ultimates Sorceress.
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    Cloth would be a travesty akin to changing the scale at this point. Boo to cloth.

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    I get why people don't want a fabric cape, but I really think it's the only way to do the figure successfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailoruranus View Post
    I get why people don't want a fabric cape, but I really think it's the only way to do the figure successfully.
    Fabric would not be successful, unless it was unprecedentedly well done. The prototype has depth to the wings that cloth cannot easily replicate. A tampo on a flat piece of cloth would look terrible. The best solution is to take a page from the book of Marvel Legends and have 2-3 swappable plastic versions of the wings.

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    it looks like 1 piece, they haven't shown a another cloak piece for her "arms at her side" and it is clearly not soft. it also isn't articulated like the vulture or angella, so i don't know what they have planned

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    In the preorder thread, Jun-Yor said that they planned two pieces, relaxed pose and arms up like above. She will not be able to sit with either of them attached. They are still thinking about it.

    I'm fine with this. I don't care whether she sits and I won't buy her (despite really wanting this figure) if it's cloth.
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    I WILL buy her with cloth wings if its similar, like ive said, to something like The Silverhawks.

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    I'd do two separate pieces that can be swapped out. One piece as in the picture, for when you want to pose her like that. Another piece that looks like a normal cape, for any pose with her arms down. Maybe a third piece with one arm stretched in front of her.

    If you want to seat her on a throne just don't use any cape. Or, alternatively, have another piece that's molded to fit between the Grayskull throne and the figure.

    I guess the cost would determine how many pieces you can have

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    I´m glad that we´ll get replaceable capes for her.

    It´s more or less the same feature like her VINTAGE figure recreated like Tung Lashor with two different heads but in her case with capes.

    This time around she will be able to move her arms. I´m okay with that compromise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WDWFreak53 View Post
    Why not make the wings out of the pliable plastic that Netossa's cape is made out of?
    this is a great idea. netossa's cape is really soft. if they made the sorceress's cloak out of this material & also in pieces it just might work
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    pliable plastic is the way to go or overlapping pieces. But honestly, the only thing that I really care about is getting a Kudok Ungol head.
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