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    The Blackstar and MOTU Thread

    Was looking at the Blackstar postcards here:
    http://www.nightstoneunlimited.com/B...arToyStuff.htm

    And noticed this:

    At first I thought it's Marlenas ship from "Teelas quest" but the copyright seem to state it's made in 1981.

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    Filmation produced Blackstar, that's why. And, as we know, Filmation loves to reuse things.
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    The webmaster isn't a really good source, and tends to make claims that can't be verified.

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    He-man/Blackstar shared toy designs??

    I am a big fan of both toylines and have always saw comparisons. I was checking out Grayskull museum and came across this... any thoughts?

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    I don't think there is any doubt that Blackstar toys would not be around unless MOTU had been popular. So I think in this regard Blackstar's designers were inspired by MOTU. Both toylines were at some point inspired by Filmation cartoons also. Blackstar was fully inspired by the cartoon and MOTU was in later waves of the toy series.
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    those are not motu toys theyre blackstar prototype designs. tomarts or even the actual owner of the art pieces now is mistaken and confused. but dont let their confusion twit it. those wouldve been from blackstar. a few unreleased blackstar vehicles were used for infacables.

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    Gotta be careful here on who inspired who.

    Neither inspired either one in concept.
    However I'm sure the success of the He-Man toy line, gave reason for Blackstar toys to give it a go.

    Both came out coincidentally in 1981.
    Blackstar was a Saturday Morning Cartoon from Filmation.
    He-Man was a very young toy line.

    The Blackstar toon only aired one season and was done by 1982? (Not 100% positive.)
    The He-Man toon didn't air until late 1983? (Not 100% positive.)

    Even the split sword concept was a coincidence for both properties.

    Blackstar toys didn't hit the scene until 1983-84.

    Almost 2 years after the toon quit on TV. So it's probably safe to assume that the Blackstar toys came about because MotU was so successful.

    Busta could come in here and confirm or correct me, but that's my basic understanding of how that all rolled out.

    The other thing to note is MotU was done by Mattel, Blackstar was Galoob I think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by galaxy warrior View Post
    those are not motu toys theyre blackstar prototype designs. tomarts or even the actual owner of the art pieces now is mistaken and confused. but dont let their confusion twit it. those wouldve been from blackstar. a few unreleased blackstar vehicles were used for infacables.
    It must be Tomart who's mistaken because these are images from the mag. I just thought it was interesting to see the two together.

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    In America - Blackstar was stamped with Galoob. We can be safe and say that Blackstar inspired Micro Machines.
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    Both series were produced by Lou. I don't think either "stole" from the other, or either one came first. I think Lou was recycling ideas back and forth, and He-man just seemed to be more popular.

    I seem to remember Blackstar coming out first from my childhood memories, but maybe that's just because He-man lasted so much longer.

    Anyways, just started watching Blackstarr on DVD and noted the similarities between the two series, which is what made me dig up this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaliman View Post
    It must be Tomart who's mistaken because these are images from the mag. I just thought it was interesting to see the two together.


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    also this is the guy everybody claims to remember owning as wonder bread he-man

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    Which Came First: He-Man's Power Sword or Blackstar's PowerStar?

    While reading this thread about the pre-Filimation stories including the mini-comics, I was reminded of how, in both the toy line and the pre-Filmation stories, the Power Sword exists in two halves -- one wielded by He-Man, the other by Skeletor.

    Filmation's Blackstar preceded its He-Man and the Masters of the Universe series. A major source of conflict in Blackstar was the battle for the "PowerStar" -- a device which had been split into Blackstar's Star Sword and the Overlord's Power Sword.

    Is it possible that one story influenced the other? If so, then which came first? The Blackstar TV series predates the He-Man TV series, but the notion of the Power Sword of Eternia being split also predates the He-Man TV series.

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    Blackstar debuted in 1981.
    MOTU toyline in 1982.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbot View Post
    Blackstar debuted in 1981.
    MOTU toyline in 1982.
    yep! and also there is an episode of motu where there is a statue of Blackstar in the background i forget which one but i've seen it,so im going say the Starsword came first.

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    Actually, MOTU hit stores just after halloween in 1981. I know because I had the Castle Grayskull and the first four figs that Christmas. I was a lucky boy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mekanek9 View Post
    yep! and also there is an episode of motu where there is a statue of Blackstar in the background i forget which one but i've seen it,so im going say the Starsword came first.
    That`s because Filmation was so cheap they used Blackstar stock footage for MOTU

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam03 View Post
    That`s because Filmation was so cheap they used Blackstar stock footage for MOTU
    Um, no.

    In a pile of cluttered random treasures/relics in one of the temples there is a small, jade statue of Blackstar holding his sword. It was put there INTENTIONALLY as a homage to Blackstar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adam03 View Post
    That`s because Filmation was so cheap they used Blackstar stock footage for MOTU
    lol! you know what,i believe that! it would not surprise me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam03 View Post
    That`s because Filmation was so cheap they used Blackstar stock footage for MOTU
    Oooooh yeees, they used the statue of Blackstar countless of times indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Montork View Post
    Um, no.

    In a pile of cluttered random treasures/relics in one of the temples there is a small, jade statue of Blackstar holding his sword. It was put there INTENTIONALLY as a homage to Blackstar.
    Exactly! It was a nice nod to Blackstar.
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    I`m positive that Lou Scheimer said in the dvd extra`s that they used background art from Blackstar and few other shows to cut production costs for the MOTU toon. I wasn`t talking about the statue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbot View Post
    Blackstar debuted in 1981.
    MOTU toyline in 1982.
    Indeed, that's why the two halves of the sword aspect was scrapped for the MOTU toon, since Blackstar was still in re-runs when MOTU debutted.

    So no doubt for the toon, as for the mini-comics it's likely that both the Blackstar show and the MOTU mini-comics (and toys) where devellopped at the same time and only happened to end up with a similar concept.

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    I always thought the half power swords were "stolen" from Blackstar as is was older, but yep, it might also just be a coincidence.

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    This is the original production artwork of the Blackstar statue. The statue and other treasure along with the brick detail, debris and stones are on the cell and the coloring of the wall and ground as well as the shadows of the treasure is painted on the background.

    I would have loved a crossover. Both Marlena and Blackstar were from Earth. Granted John was from the future, but the blackhole could have also sent him back in time.

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