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    Club Grayskull Sorceress discussion thread

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    Given how important a character she is and the difficulty in obtaining her motuc version I'm sure matty will eventually revisit her in the filmation club grayskull line. I figure it's never too early to start discussing to give mattel an idea What changes or improvements would you like to see matty do to her?

    I'm pretty satisfied with her torso and arms and headdress but her face needs a do over. I don't know if it was the sculpt itself or the paint job from the factory but she looks off. I'd like to see them
    Take another pass at the headsculpt and this time be more accurate to filmation and also give her closed lips. Im not a fan of the toothy smile. It worked for adora but doesn't suit the sorceress.

    Then they need to come up with a better execution of her wings. I'm not sure how to best approach that but something less rigid. Leaning towards a soft goods cape since the only other wings I've seen done recently were hasbros on the marvel legends spiderwoman and morbius which involved interchangeable. "Closed" and "open " looks. Also maintain the accurate all orange on the underside. I know the 4H thought doing two tone orange blue on the underside was more aesthetically pleasing but I would like to see the filmation release have the accurate all orange underside And maybe use teela or evil lyn filmation boots and tighter ankles. The first one had super loose ankles. And do a better Job placing her headdress on the headsculpt so there isn't huge forehead

    And would you want the same accessories repackaged(her vintage toy staff and Zoar) or some other artifacts from filmation that were associated with her?
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    Quote Originally Posted by degra View Post
    Given how important a character she is and the difficulty in obtaining her motuc version I'm sure matty will eventually revisit her in the filmation club grayskull line. I figure it's never too early to start discussing to give mattel an idea What changes or improvements would you like to see matty do to her?

    I'm pretty satisfied with her torso and arms and headdress but her face needs a do over. I don't know if it was the sculpt itself or the paint job from the factory but she looks off. I'd like to see them
    Take another pass at the headsculpt and this time also give her closed lips. It'm not a fan of the toothy smile. It worked for adora but doesn't suit the sorceress.

    Then they need to come up with a better execution of her wings. I'm not sure how to best approach that but something less rigid. Also maintain the accurate all orange on the underside. I know the 4H thought doing two tone orange blue on the underside was more aesthetically pleasing but I would like to see the filmation release have the accurate all orange underside And maybe use teela or evil lyn filmation boots and tighter ankles. The first one had super loose ankles. And do a better Job placing her headdress on the headsculpt so there isn't huge forehead
    I'm fine with the existing figure as is except the wings. That would be the only rework I'd want to see.

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    I'd certainly vote for two sets of removable wings that just plug into the back of the figure.
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    One of my top choices for CG 2017.

    I'd love a new one with a set of wings that makes it easy to sit on the Grayskull throne. If there is a way to make one set of wings that can extend and allow for sitting that does not have the huge, ugly drums, that would be great.
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    I don't like the wings of the one we have, as a big Filmation fan I don't see the need of another Sorceress, she looks very Filmation to me, her face sculp is gorgeous, she and Teela are the most beautiful female figures in MOTUC. But... If we get a more Filmation accurate Sorceress I'll more than happy to find room for her in my shelves.
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    For those of us who have her already from the motuc line I think the most important thing here is to include a Koduk Ungol head, that way it gives those that didnt have a chance to grab her when she was availible and then those that did either have that second display option or chose to display her with the koduk ungol head and have a brand new character. Thats really the only reason i want to pick up this character. kodak ungol.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by facet View Post
    For those of us who have her already from the motuc line I think the most important thing here is to include a Koduk Ungol head, that way it gives those that didnt have a chance to grab her when she was availible and then those that did either have that second display option or chose to display her with the koduk ungol head and have a brand new character. Thats really the only reason i want to pick up this character. kodak ungol.jpg
    I agree. It's the perfect opportunity to grab extra sales if the heads can be put on the MOTUC version as Filmation fans might grab 2 of her and non Filmation fans might buy her for the Kudok Ungol head and/or to customize a better MOTUC figure. They REALLY need to fix the wings though somehow on the Club Grayskull version so she can sit on the Grayskull throne or any future Filmation throne diorama.

    I wonder if we'd get Teela and Sorceress in the same year though? Might have to wait til 2018 for Sorceress
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    The Sorceress we already have looks just like the Filmation Sorceress to me. I too don't care for the wing design but I don't want another Sorceress which will pretty much look exactly the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by facet View Post
    For those of us who have her already from the motuc line I think the most important thing here is to include a Koduk Ungol head, that way it gives those that didnt have a chance to grab her when she was availible and then those that did either have that second display option or chose to display her with the koduk ungol head and have a brand new character. Thats really the only reason i want to pick up this character. kodak ungol.jpg
    I like this idea. Plus, a Club Grayskull Sorceress would be a way to correct the poorly executed wing articulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KelvAcos View Post
    I don't like the wings of the one we have, as a big Filmation fan I don't see the need of another Sorceress, she looks very Filmation to me, her face sculp is gorgeous.
    Look at the prototype for 1.0 and then tell me her figures face is gorgeous. To me after looking at images of filmation sorceress the 1.0 headsculpt is not only off from her filmation face but from the prototype. I definitely think they need to revisit her face in club grayskull
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    she should not have wings at all. It's a feathered cloak. it should be soft goods or at least very soft flexible plastic like Shadow Weaver's cloak.
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    She should look like she stepped out of the cartoon, be able to sit perfectly on the throne, and come with a magic mirror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by degra View Post
    Look at the prototype for 1.0 and then tell me her figures face is gorgeous.
    I did, she still looks gorgeous to me, I do hate her wings (not the color) but how they were made. I'll still get her if we get a newer version.


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    She should be able to sit perfectly on the throne
    I agree...!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Of_Destruction View Post
    she should not have wings at all. It's a feathered cloak. it should be soft goods or at least very soft flexible plastic like Shadow Weaver's cloak.
    This and the Ability to SIT on the throne would be the main reason to have a Sorceress revisit. IF Mattel were smart, they'd toss in a Kodok Ungol head for her to make people double dip on her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackiecats View Post
    I agree. It's the perfect opportunity to grab extra sales if the heads can be put on the MOTUC version as Filmation fans might grab 2 of her and non Filmation fans might buy her for the Kudok Ungol head and/or to customize a better MOTUC figure. They REALLY need to fix the wings though somehow on the Club Grayskull version so she can sit on the Grayskull throne or any future Filmation throne diorama.

    I wonder if we'd get Teela and Sorceress in the same year though? Might have to wait til 2018 for Sorceress
    Is Teela a lock for 2017 for sure?

    If the reran the same classics figure with a better wing set up that would be enable her to sit properly that would enough for me to rebuy her. Extra heads are always welcome though.

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    I don't think we know if teela is a lock for 2017 however I suspect she is for a few reasons. 1) teela is a very popular character. 2) the motuc one costs a fortune 3) the sorta filmation point dread teela created a ton of backlash with how she turned out 4) the point dread teela really wasn't a true filmation figure 5) this year they tooled a bunch of new parts to get club grayskull going so I'd assume they'd want to reuse some of those parts next year and teela could use some of evil lyns parts 6) this year was pretty evil warriors heavy so they probably want to do a few heroes and she's a hero

    If you look at part reuse this year there's very little reuse among these first six figures as far as the newly tooled pieces go that's why I'm thinking

    2017 CG
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    Triklops-gets a second use out of beastman boots
    Merman gets a second use out of clawful boots
    Fisto gets a second use out of he man boots. Plus Stridor may come in CC 2017
    Man at arms gets a second use out of skeletors boots
    Roboto gets reuse out of some of trapjaw a parts
    Whiplash is another possibility instead of triklops

    Hoping ram man is the sub exclusive since they tend to make a fully tooled figure sub exclusive like evilseed or mummra

    We may see as an out of sub item this year adam and cringer. Hordak is another one I think they want to get out soon as well given the disappointment over the motuc one
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    I want / need a new Sorceress with flexible plastic wings in the same way Shadow Weaver was done. No more drums horrible wings!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by He-Dad View Post
    She should look like she stepped out of the cartoon, be able to sit perfectly on the throne, and come with a magic mirror.
    Why not make her a deluxe figure that comes with her Filmation throne rather than her just having to settle for the throne that came with the castle? It'd be a win-win…people without the castle would have a throne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuc98 View Post
    Why not make her a deluxe figure that comes with her Filmation throne rather than her just having to settle for the throne that came with the castle? It'd be a win-win…people without the castle would have a throne.
    Oh I like the way you think and that would make one sweet SDCC Boxed Exclusive, But the Horsemen & mattel need to give her soft goods wings that are detatchabe.

    I would also like to see a Diorama piece of the bridge that leads up to the castle and Mattel could include a figure with it.
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    You would have to remove one of those characters and replace him with tongue lashor as he has faired far higher then most of those in all filmation polls and would be a major draw for those that are not into collecting figures they have, I think tongue lashor is the only lock for 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by degra View Post
    I don't think we know if teela is a lock for 2017 however I suspect she is for a few reasons. 1) teela is a very popular character. 2) the motuc one costs a fortune 3) the sorta filmation point dread teela created a ton of backlash with how she turned out 4) the point dread teela really wasn't a true filmation figure 5) this year they tooled a bunch of new parts to get club grayskull going so I'd assume they'd want to reuse some of those parts next year and teela could use some of evil lyns parts 6) this year was pretty evil warriors heavy so they probably want to do a few heroes and she's a hero

    If you look at part reuse this year there's very little reuse among these first six figures as far as the newly tooled pieces go that's why I'm thinking

    2017 CG
    Teela
    Triklops-gets a second use out of beastman boots
    Merman gets a second use out of clawful boots
    Fisto gets a second use out of he man boots. Plus Stridor may come in CC 2017
    Man at arms gets a second use out of skeletors boots
    Roboto gets reuse out of some of trapjaw a parts
    Whiplash is another possibility instead of triklops

    Hoping ram man is the sub exclusive since they tend to make a fully tooled figure sub exclusive like evilseed or mummra

    We may see as an out of sub item this year adam and cringer. Hordak is another one I think they want to get out soon as well given the disappointment over the motuc one

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    Quote Originally Posted by facet View Post
    You would have to remove one of those characters and replace him with tongue lashor as he has faired far higher then most of those in all filmation polls and would be a major draw for those that are not into collecting figures they have, I think tongue lashor is the only lock for 2017
    I disagree, but we will find out in about 5 monthes
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    This seems like the best thread to post this in. After seeing the pictures from Toyark (Thank you Toyark, I have used your full on front shot for this post)

    The Sorceress figure looks AMAZING. Of course, I have one caveat to that. Her head. Let's get this straight out of the way first: This might be the most beautiful female head sculpted in classics. It is breathtaking. It is also too large for her body proportions.



    Here are some comparisons with source material.





    And here, we have the actual head sizes from the toy and Filmation swapped, and positioned to look the most anatomically correct on the different bodies.





    Here we see the heads swapped, but retaining the original proportions of their heads to their bodies.





    And finally, here is a manipulation with her actually sculpted head made to be more proportionate to her body, with the original size head next to it.




    Sure, you could maybe make it a LITTLE bigger, but it is just way too big now.



    The proportions of her head to her body are WAY off from any other female classics figure as well, except HAWKE...






    I am still waiting to see a production sample of Hawke, and to see how off her head is. After looking at that figure more, I have decided the proportions on her are just all over the place.

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    There's almost no chance (in my opinion) that her head will end up being any larger or smaller than the other Classics heads.

    If the prototype heads are bigger, then it's almost certainly because they are prototypes that are not manufactured the same way all the figures are.

    I just hope we keep the paint apps close to what she looks like now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jscott991 View Post
    There's almost no chance (in my opinion) that her head will end up being any larger or smaller than the other Classics heads.

    If the prototype heads are bigger, then it's almost certainly because they are prototypes that are not manufactured the same way all the figures are.

    I just hope we keep the paint apps close to what she looks like now.
    It would be interesting to know how tall she is compared to an average MOTUC figure like original Teela. If she is shorter, the heads might be similar in size, but just have different proportions. If they are the same height, that head is going to be WAY bigger. See the Despara figure above for reference.

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    they still haven't shown her with her arms at her side. that's the same thing that happened with the classics sorceress. i'm afraid she's going to have the same problem as motuc sorceress & spinerella
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