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    Quote Originally Posted by BCI Guy View Post
    I love this idea, but I see why they don't do it. She's so overpowered compared to the rest of the CW characters that they'd need to come up with stupid reasons for her not to just fly over and fix everything all the time. There isn't a problem on Arrow that she couldn't take care of in 30 seconds.

    Hell, Martian Manhunter would put them in the same boat. Oh, and that Superman guy...
    In that crossover they said "52 Kara's" but Earth 2 doesn't have one??? See they should fix this this unless CBS owns some kind of rights to Supergirl that WB isn't letting us in on...

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    So do you just bring Kara and her immediate "family" over or do you also open up the "Arrowverse" to the countless aliens that are part of SG's world as well?

    I'd leave it as-is. Do an annual crossover, but I think adding Supergirl to the other 3 does more harm than good.

    What I do find odd is that apparently Black Lightning is going to be its own thing and not going to be connected at all the the Arrowverse. Which makes no sense, as his powers/story/background fit perfectly with the existing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCI Guy View Post
    So do you just bring Kara and her immediate "family" over or do you also open up the "Arrowverse" to the countless aliens that are part of SG's world as well?

    I'd leave it as-is. Do an annual crossover, but I think adding Supergirl to the other 3 does more harm than good.

    What I do find odd is that apparently Black Lightning is going to be its own thing and not going to be connected at all the the Arrowverse. Which makes no sense, as his powers/story/background fit perfectly with the existing.
    That's why DC should do the "Crisis" story line people are confused as it is...

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    i really like cavill as superman.. poor guy just had a bad director. Cavil needs a really good director and he will have his shine too like gadot with WW.

    since snyder is gone, i'm a happy camper.

    the crappy thing now it that we have no GOOD DC character film coming anytime soon.. i'm not really looking forward to Aquaman and thats not till end of next yr.. ugh. DC sure takes a long time to release films and then they suk too. lol

    seems like Marvels releases movies quarterly most of them i dont care for at all. but they release so many damn films
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    https://www.comicbookmovie.com/justi...t-epic-a156040

    This movie would have KILLED it compared to what we got....(Original Script)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon View Post
    https://www.comicbookmovie.com/justi...t-epic-a156040

    This movie would have KILLED it compared to what we got....(Original Script)
    That movie did not get made, because the script is terrible.

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    People praise the marvel films for taking the time to properly introduce their characters but that script has them popping up left, right and centre, I'd read it if it was a comic and I'd watch it as a film but you can't really say if it would be better received.

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    Quote Originally Posted by felgekarp View Post
    People praise the marvel films for taking the time to properly introduce their characters but that script has them popping up left, right and centre, I'd read it if it was a comic and I'd watch it as a film but you can't really say if it would be better received.
    Its insane. There are like 100 characters introduced in the movie. Its pure fanboy wanking.

    (Plus its Will Beale, who has written one movie - and it wasn't good...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    That movie did not get made, because the script is terrible.
    But the concept was good a little tweaking and it would have been better than that dreck we got...

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    DC Shake-Up in the Works After ‘Justice League’ Stumbles (EXCLUSIVE)

    http://variety.com/2017/film/news/dc-films-justice-league-1202632214/



    So it begins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonehead View Post
    DC Shake-Up in the Works After ‘Justice League’ Stumbles (EXCLUSIVE)

    http://variety.com/2017/film/news/dc-films-justice-league-1202632214/



    So it begins.
    Wow... it will be interesting to see where the DCCU goes from here.

    A complete reboot, at this point in time, would be a mistake IMO. Much of what transpired in JL can be used to the benefit of much brighter and more optimistic stand-alone movies for Superman, Flash, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman. Moving these characters away from the gritty and back to their roots will mean better box office turnouts.

    Dropping Snyder form directing any of the immediate followup movies is definitely a step in the right direction, however, I would like to see names like Dwayne McDuffie, Bruce Timm, and James Tucker to become attached to the DC Cinematic Universe along with Geoff Johns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornclown View Post

    Dropping Snyder form directing any of the immediate followup movies is definitely a step in the right direction, however, I would like to see names like Dwayne McDuffie, Bruce Timm, and James Tucker to become attached to the DC Cinematic Universe along with Geoff Johns.
    McDuffie unfortunately passed away in 2011.

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    http://deadline.com/2017/12/coco-jus...ce-1202223690/

    Justice League has finally crossed the $600 Million mark worldwide in it's fourth week with a global total of $613.4 million ($9.6 million domestic this weekend). And with Star Wars coming out this weekend, that should be the last of the major box office intake for Justice League. A movie that was expected to rake in 1.5 billion dollars has taken in less than half of that and has yet to break even. Given this, it's no surprise that there has been a shake up in the WB/DC offices over this and the previous DCEU movies.

    Hopefully they will be a bit more successful in their second attempt at universe building than they were at trying to jumpstart one in their first attempt...

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    The warner shakedown is apparently a rumor as of the moment, their dceu movie line up is still the same. And 1.5 billion really? That kinda an exaggeration, what is commonly in news and article is it is expected to reach 1billion.

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    "Justice League is the Highest Grossing Box Office 'Bomb' Ever":

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    Quote Originally Posted by motogp_fanatic View Post
    And 1.5 billion really? That kinda an exaggeration, what is commonly in news and article is it is expected to reach 1billion.
    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

    The first Avengers movie made $1.5 billion in its run and Avengers 2 made $1.4 billion during its run. This was starring characters that were considered largely B to C-list characters and relatively unknown to the general public. So $1.5 billion is not an exaggeration for a team film with the most iconic superheroes in the world.
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    Can you imagine the anxiety at WB offices after news of Disney buying Fox hit?? Marvel is like....25 races ( Races. Not laps ) ahead of DC at this point. WB just pulled out all stops with JL, and it underwhelmed. Where do you go after that!??
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    Quote Originally Posted by DC_WARLORD View Post
    Can you imagine the anxiety at WB offices after news of Disney buying Fox hit?? Marvel is like....25 races ( Races. Not laps ) ahead of DC at this point. WB just pulled out all stops with JL, and it underwhelmed. Where do you go after that!??
    Honestly they should keep Momoa and Gadot (obviously) and recast the others and start over completely. If they keep the rest of the cast, you're not really starting over. You're just continuing the same disappointing series of films you already started. If DC/WB wants people to forget about this film they need to separate themselves almost completely. When Nolan started his Bat trilogy he didn't go get Val Kilmer or George Clooey, he went out and got someone fresh to distance himself from the previous Batflicks. Edit/reshoot the Aquaman film to omit any references to the JL film and just consider it an origin movie for Arthur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benedict Judas Hel View Post
    "Justice League is the Highest Grossing Box Office 'Bomb' Ever":

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme.../#27bf82d37942




    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

    The first Avengers movie made $1.5 billion in its run and Avengers 2 made $1.4 billion during its run. This was starring characters that were considered largely B to C-list characters and relatively unknown to the general public. So $1.5 billion is not an exaggeration for a team film with the most iconic superheroes in the world.
    That is an exaggeration, the avengers came after some good critical and box office individual films while JL came after bvs and the ww which a bit of a gamble since it is female led. It's probable that WB dreamt to get that avengers number but those in studio are into business of making films that to really expect it to be a reality is impractical and foolish. Anyway, it is about DCEU and comparing it to a better established MCU is moot. JL did perform as expected all over the world except in north america which was way below expectation. And an all american made superheroes that gets more support in China than in America is kinda sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motogp_fanatic View Post
    It's probable that WB dreamt to get that avengers number but those in studio are into business of making films that to really expect it to be a reality is impractical and foolish. Anyway, it is about DCEU and comparing it to a better established MCU is moot. JL did perform as expected all over the world except in north america which was way below expectation. And an all american made superheroes that gets more support in China than in America is kinda sad.
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    yeah, but let me add it looks like WB kinda expected this type of results, all the behind scenes of this troubled movie definately played a part and right, US didnt liked the DCEU since the very beginning, only with BvS being an exception because of "The batman" being so famous. Domestic performance is certainly disappointing. I hope this trend won't continue with Avengers 4, I mean I hope for the superhero movie genre continue to still being demanded and deliver big money to the entertainment industry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triklops 1 View Post
    yeah, but let me add it looks like WB kinda expected this type of results, all the behind scenes of this troubled movie definately played a part and right, US didnt liked the DCEU since the very beginning, only with BvS being an expection because of "The batman" being so famous. Domestic performance is certainly disappointing. I hope this trend won't continue with Avengers 4, I mean I hope for the superhero movie genre continue to still being demanded and deliver big money to the entertainment industry
    Agree, i wanted these superhero movies for years, now that it is here I just want it to continue and not implode because of too much expectation on making a billion each time a film is released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motogp_fanatic View Post
    Agree, i wanted these superhero movies for years, now that it is here I just want it to continue and not implode because of too much expectation on making a billion each time a film is released.
    I agree.

    As I wrote earlier in this thread:
    A complete reboot, at this point in time, would be a mistake IMO. Much of what transpired in JL can be used to the benefit of much brighter and more optimistic stand-alone movies for Superman, Flash, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman. Moving these characters away from the gritty and back to their roots will mean better box office turnouts.

    Meaning, much of what happened in Justice League can be salvaged (i.e. explained, added on to) to help progress the independent hero movies for Flash, WW, and Aquaman. JL, while not perfect, is a definite step in the right direction, and IMO, received way too much flak from critics (who were coming off of the red-hot Thor: Ragnarok).

    Two things that I think JL accomplished well:

    1. It was a great set-up for the much anticipated meeting with Darkseid!
    2. It introduced likeable versions of Flash and Aquaman who can now have their stories told ala Wonder woman.

    Also, it foreshadowed the Green Lantern Core!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornclown View Post
    I agree.

    As I wrote earlier in this thread:
    A complete reboot, at this point in time, would be a mistake IMO. Much of what transpired in JL can be used to the benefit of much brighter and more optimistic stand-alone movies for Superman, Flash, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman. Moving these characters away from the gritty and back to their roots will mean better box office turnouts.

    Meaning, much of what happened in Justice League can be salvaged (i.e. explained, added on to) to help progress the independent hero movies for Flash, WW, and Aquaman. JL, while not perfect, is a definite step in the right direction, and IMO, received way too much flak from critics (who were coming off of the red-hot Thor: Ragnarok).

    Two things that I think JL accomplished well:

    1. It was a great set-up for the much anticipated meeting with Darkseid!
    2. It introduced likeable versions of Flash and Aquaman who can now have their stories told ala Wonder woman.

    Also, it foreshadowed the Green Lantern Core!!
    Yes and yes and yes.... Agreed.☺

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    Quote Originally Posted by motogp_fanatic View Post
    That is an exaggeration.
    No, it isn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by motogp_fanatic View Post
    It's probable that WB dreamt to get that avengers number but those in studio are into business of making films that to really expect it to be a reality is impractical and foolish.
    It may be impractical and foolish to you but the people at WB are the ones who expected $1.5 billion in returns from the Justice League movie. And because they are the ones making the movies and putting up the money to make said movies, if they don't get the returns on their investment they expect then changes are going to be made (as with the shake up within their film division).

    Quote Originally Posted by motogp_fanatic View Post
    JL did perform as expected all over the world except in north america which was way below expectation.
    But unfortunately, the take that the studios get from overseas box offices is significantly less than the take they get from domestic box offices hence the greater importance on how a film does domestically than internationally.

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    And an all american made superheroes that gets more support in China than in America is kinda sad.
    Well, a DC/WB American-made superhero film...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benedict Judas Hel View Post
    No, it isn't.



    It may be impractical and foolish to you but the people at WB are the ones who expected $1.5 billion in returns from the Justice League movie. And because they are the ones making the movies and putting up the money to make said movies, if they don't get the returns on their investment they expect then changes are going to be made (as with the shake up within their film division).



    But unfortunately, the take that the studios get from overseas box offices is significantly less than the take they get from domestic box offices hence the greater importance on how a film does domestically than internationally.



    Well, a DC/WB American-made superhero film...
    Oh WB people are really that stupid?.. Since they are that stupid hope to see their DCEU line up continue, I will be happy to spend to see their american hero stupid movies. With that I stupidly bought several promo items here, just have to track Aquaman to complete, currently sold out so I'm not getting my hope high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motogp_fanatic View Post
    Oh WB people are really that stupid?
    Well, they did make a person with a distinct visual style but with questionable narrative skills the lead director/overseer over their comic book film universe. And it seems that this person was not equal to the task as his films have not received well by many people. And rather than take the time to establish their film characters properly, WB was blinded by greed and rushed their films out sometimes just to ensure that said WB executives could get their bonuses. It didn't matter that their film was good or bad, just that it was out in theaters and under 2 hours to maximize theaters showings for the most profit possible.

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    Since they are that stupid hope to see their DCEU line up continue
    Unfortunately, the "DCEU" never was a thing according to WB:

    https://moviepilot.com/p/dc-comics-m...a-joke/4380708

    Nowadays, fans and critics alike are used to talking about the DC Extended Universe. But where did the term come from? Surprisingly, we've just learned that the phrase never originated with Warner Bros. In fact, insiders at DC Film never use it at all.

    Abraham Riesman, a journalist at Vulture, has just published a must-read deep dive article into the history of DC Entertainment. During his time with Warner Bros., he was shocked to learn that "DCEU" wasn't the official term, and that insiders had no idea where it originated.

    And here's the irony: It turned out it was meant to be a joke!

    Back in July 2015, Entertainment Weekly published a double-sized special issue in honor of #SDCC. The front-page feature was a stunning image of the stars of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and journalist Keith Staskiewicz apparently wrote a mildly sardonic piece in honor of what he called Hollywood's "preoccupation both with superheroes and universe-building." He focused at length on DC's future plans, and how Batman v Superman laid the foundations for them. And along the way, he faced a challenge; how would he refer to this nascent universe?

    Riesman contacted Staskiewicz, who admitted he made up the term on the spot. "It was my own phrasing when I used it in the story," he explained. "Just seemed like the kind of thing they'd call it!" Staskiewicz reportedly even added a trademark symbol, which he intended to signpost the humor inherent in the term, but which everybody else seems to have taken to mean this was official. It's not really a surprise, given the same piece was filled with behind-the-scenes details and exclusive interview quotes. As he concluded to Riesman: "Whoops."

    DC Film, for their part, have never seemed too concerned about what we should call their shared universe. They have yet to issue a correction about the popular term, and even now the public doesn't know what the in-house equivalent is (if they even have one). In fact, in spite of the fact this phrase is now so strongly associated with their movies, I have a hunch that Warner Bros. may have never even bothered to trademark "DCEU" or "DC Extended Universe."


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    I will be happy to spend to see their american hero stupid movies.
    Cool. I'm sure you'll enjoy them. Hopefully WB will make better films that will appeal to more audiences so that they will perform better at the box office and among critics.
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