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    The more I see and learn of this, the more intrigued I am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    This movie looks like it might be depressing as hell which is not really the type of movie I go out of my way to see in movie theaters. A movie on the topic of a serial killer with mom issues doesn't overly excite me. It is more of I'll watch it on Netflix if it comes on there type movie.
    Yeah, I do not think it looks like something I would be interested in at all. Definitely going to skip this one.
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    I'm really looking forward to it. I think just the fact that this film is being made is a strong testament to the power of the Joker character. What other super-villain could generate enough interest to warrant a film like this? Personally I cannot off the top of my head think of any major Joker story I haven't read. The Joker is highly adaptable. I think we've been arguing that nearly every actor who has played the character has done something radically different with him which just shows how versatile the character is. There are so many elements of the Joker to be explored and, by his own admission on a number of occasions, his origin is multiple choice.

    This is a pretty bold choice for a movie. It isn't designed to appeal to kids and move toys nor does it seem to be tailored as a big budget crowd pleaser. It's something else, something unique. I think it's either going to be one of the great moments for the character in any medium or we'll all be scratching our heads wondering why we wanted an indepth character sturdy of the Joker. My money's on the former thus far.
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    Random comment I hear : "Why bother doing Joker w/o Ledger"

    Of course they're gonna do another Dracula in the future or another Bond despite Chris Lee being dead , why shouldnt they if the script/performance is good ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    Yep. Agree with all of this. The gritty Joker origin seemed like a dumb idea when I heard it... and seeing the trailer I see nothing to convince me otherwise. Trying to make a sympathetic Joker is a weird choice... since we already know this is the origin of the guy who's fine with blowing up orphanges and hospitals... so it's a steep climb to get us to feel sorry for him. I would LOVE to be in the boardroom where people are coming up with these ideas...

    Let's do Joker solo... yeah, the killer clown, with no batman, no Harley, no chemicals.. nothing that resembles joker... umm... why are we doing this again??

    Also big agree with Ledger. He was a fantastic villain. An excellent character in an excellent movie... but that Character was never Joker.
    Quote Originally Posted by diosoth View Post
    Problem is I don't see the Joker, I see any generic villain character. No acid bath, just clown makeup. Promo pics show him in a red suit too. And again, no connection to Batman with his origin, so there feels like no reason for him to be obsessed with Batman when they do eventually meet. If it wasn't for some executive decisions claiming otherwise I would swear this was a DK prequel.

    Ledger was a crazy, destructive villain, he was not the Joker. I feel we aren't allowed to criticize that because Ledger died, but no acid bath, no bleached skin, no super laughing gas chemicals. Just some runny makeup, dyed hair and some puffy cheeks that were supposed to be scars but didn't look at all like a smile. Nolan's entire Batman franchise was stripped down, removing a lot of elements that should be there under the claims of "realism", so we got no batmobile, Bane without chemicals, Ra's al-Ghul with no Lazarus pit and a mispronounced name, while if he'd just stripped what few Batman elements were there they could have been decent standalone films. Honestly Ledger Joker would have been a better villain without the makeup or purple suit, he'd have been scarier as a new character.

    Gotham is the closest we've had since Nicholson to getting it right, but even then DC has pulled their "bat embargo" stunt with that and put limitations on their production- the first guy couldn't have the bleached skin. Second guy had to have purple hair. Now that he's fallen in the acid his skin is mangled and while the hair is now green it's a few strands. Sure Leto has the white skin and green hair but he has those nasty capped teeth, the tattoos that only seemed to annoy fans and really didn't add anything special(I don't dislike the IDEA of them but the actual tats look awful) and most of his scenes were shirtless. He also really had little time to shine as the Joker thanks to a mediocre script despite his attitude and mannerisms getting praise, with the sequel either in limbo or canned due to lack of interest.

    And I don't mind saying it but Telltale had a very good, very unique setup for their version, having him bleached with green hair before he went insane, being friends with Bruce yet manipulated by Harley, with a path through all the games that decided if he became the typical Joker or a hero, only to throw away both eventualities in a mediocre final game that wasted the hero version on bad writing and the villain version on his man-crush obsession with Bruce being his friend.

    The character really should not need to be this difficult to get right.
    Let's not forget Mark Hamil was great in the DCAU as Joker.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonder Bread He-Man View Post
    Random comment I hear : "Why bother doing Joker w/o Ledger"

    Of course they're gonna do another Dracula in the future or another Bond despite Chris Lee being dead , why shouldnt they if the script/performance is good ?
    It's ok to recast literature and comic characters like Joker, Jud Crandall, Pennywise, Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Sherlock Holmes, James Bond etc. as it's not the same as already established purely original cinematic characters like Indiana Jones, Han Solo, Freddy Krueger, The Tallman from Phantasm, Rocky Balboa, Marty Mcfly, Doc Brown etc. which were created for film and impossible to recast.
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    I re-watched the 1989 Batman the other night and I agree with some of the earlier comments. I think I may have glossed over how brutal the Joker was because I was a kid when I first watched it. Great performance from Jack! His one liners were great too!
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