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    i really this one. can't wait to see how the series goes from here on.

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    Originally posted by eyeballkid72
    i love he-man, but comic book illustrations ARE NOT ART. they are illustrations. i have a b.f.a. in 'ART"
    Oh, is that what your professors told you?

    Does a comic book not convey emotion? Tell a story? Take you to another place? Was it not technically crafted?

    So I'm curious, what did your professors call Art then?

    Really, just curious.

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    Just for the record, I too have a b.f.a. in both ART *and* ENGLISH, and have taken a few classes that involve comic books as a form of art. While I don't agree that the actual pictures in comics are considered art (they are indeed illustration), the comic book itself is definitely considered a form of art by many. There are still people who can't get over the idea that comic books are just superhero WHAM!BAM! kids stuff, and for that reason I don't think they will be officially considered an art form for a while. That's my 2 cents.


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    Art is way too subjective.

    I don't see how an empty room with a chair in it can be a work of abstract art, but apparently others do.
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    speaking of art

    speaking of art i hated the art, drawings, illustrations whatever we are calling them in this episode. The sorceress looked weird with her 3 foot neck and not very pretty at all in the face. and he-man/adams face was just odd, especially with that power jaw they both seem to have now. I likd the story, but i seriously hated the "art".
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    I was only able to do a quick read-through, and didn't get to REALLY look at the art yet, but I gotta say that the story in this issue is AWESOME! I can't wait until I actually get some downtime tomorrow to sit for a good 40+ minutes and go through this book again! Great job MVC!
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    JVS3, I thought we had this discussion about "heh" already!

    I liked the art, it fits with the show a little more, not that I wasn't Emil replaced or anything, its just a nice breather to see others interpret the masters.

    I really enjoyed the backup feature. But correct me if I'm wrong, isn't that something form the fan art section form a while ago?

    I liked the nod to the original king of the snake men mini comic, king hiss's stance was very reminiscent of his very first appearance as he rose out of the void!
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    Originally posted by Baena
    Oh, is that what your professors told you?

    Does a comic book not convey emotion? Tell a story? Take you to another place? Was it not technically crafted?

    So I'm curious, what did your professors call Art then?

    Really, just curious.

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    I was very impressed with the issue as a whole. This is one of the most well rounded offerings from the MVC MOTU books thus far. I thought the story was very compelling, I loved Andie Tongs artwork, and the colors were tight. I marked out on the last page with Hisss & co. I can't wait for the next issue. It'll be interesting to see how they can fit this all into three issues.

    The *wink* at the fans (change is good) was apprecieted.

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    Originally posted by MOTUfan
    Now all we need is for Val to pencil in King Hsss saying "I wasss onccce a man" right after Leanne has proofread it and ok'ed it for print in a future issue. Then it gets printed and hilarity ensues lol
    Oh, it would have to be put in the comic after I'd proofed it... There's no way I'd let that in there!

    Course, if Val ever did try it, I think he knows I'd hunt him down. And then the maiming would ensue...

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    Originally posted by Baena
    Oh, is that what your professors told you?

    Does a comic book not convey emotion? Tell a story? Take you to another place? Was it not technically crafted?

    So I'm curious, what did your professors call Art then?

    Really, just curious.


    If Comic Book illustrations are not art then I suppose Rock & Roll isn't music?

    I'm really curious too...


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    Originally posted by Baena
    Oh, is that what your professors told you?

    Does a comic book not convey emotion? Tell a story? Take you to another place? Was it not technically crafted?

    So I'm curious, what did your professors call Art then?

    Really, just curious.

    Thanks, Nate.

    I don't see how anyone can look at comic art and say it isn't art. How is it any different than putting a pencil/pen/brush to paper and drawing a still life or a portrait? It's all a form of art.

    I'm curious, eyeballkid72... What do you think of Alex Ross' art? Particularly his painted art. Clearly these are paintings of people he knows (judging from the reference he uses), so one could consider them portraits. But he's using them in a comic book format, depicting them as comic book characters. Does this suddenly make his works not art?

    But aside from the whole "comic art isn't art" debate, calling these works "illustrations" and saying they aren't art just doesn't make sense to me. How is an illustration not a form of art? In my illustration classes in college, we studied painting, life drawing, design... The things we were taught encompassed a wide range of art formats. But you know, never once did I hear my teacher tell us that illustration wasn't art.

    Just trying to wrap my mind around this concept...

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    Maybe there's a deliniation between illustration and fine art sure, but just to say illustration isn't art is down right ignorant.

    To me there are subtle differences of when I do art for a comic, a client, or for myself. But it's all art. I don't care what your professors, who gave you your precious BFA, told you.
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    Back to the story... I guess it did seem that Zodak didn't try too hard. I wonder if Zodak WANTS the Snakemen released. I know he wants to avenge his brother's death but I guess he doesn't want to be obvious by going straight over to the void and opening it up himself. The sorceress DID say at the begining that there was one possibility, but HE would never do it - she may have been talking about Zodak.

    I guess King Hiss being exiled in another dimension\void is eating away at Zodak since his brother isn't alive and even banishment is still a form of living. I think Zodak wants to let Hiss out just to finish him off. That could be considered an imbalance of power, no? We'll see.
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    Originally posted by StratosMacca
    Oh, it would have to be put in the comic after I'd proofed it... There's no way I'd let that in there!

    Course, if Val ever did try it, I think he knows I'd hunt him down. And then the maiming would ensue...

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    Originally posted by galmorzu
    It does have a number for issue 1 in the top right, but not 1 out of 3 (which is what it is) as we might expect.
    I see nothing on the top right but the MotU logo, and the title. But, on the left I just noticed that right above OCT. there is a BIG number one! LOL, how could I have missed that!?


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    Originally posted by Baena
    Maybe there's a deliniation between illustration and fine art sure, but just to say illustration isn't art is down right ignorant.

    To me there are subtle differences of when I do art for a comic, a client, or for myself. But it's all art. I don't care what your professors, who gave you your precious BFA, told you.
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    actually my bfa is not worth ******. at least not in indiana. my professor was just some guy trying to make a livivg out of something he enjoyed. anyway, i think art should be really hard for the artist because everything has been done. is it easy to draw a model, yes. is it easy to draw he-man, yes. is it easy to put a chair in the middle of an empty room, yes. is it stupid to do that. of course. unless your name is andy warhol(who sucks!) mass-production of an image has already been tested as an art form. is the new mer-man bust art. heck yea it is! but a comic book?

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    Originally posted by eyeballkid72
    i love he-man, but comic book illustrations ARE NOT ART. they are illustrations. i have a b.f.a. in 'ART"
    LOL!!

    Where did you get your B.F.A. in "Art"??? Most Art Schools don't even hand out degrees under the title of Art. It's too general. I think you need to get on the horn right now to all the colleges and universities around the country and chastise them for teaching illustration as an art form... and don't forget the schools that offer specialized B.A. or B.F.A. degrees specifically in Illustration. ILLUSTRATION IS A FORM OR ART!

    LOL.
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    Loved the issue!! Can't wait for more. I really enjoyed the Eternian Daze comic too. I hope Skeletor joins up with the heroes, even if it is brief. I've always wanted to see him do something heroic, even if it's just to keep someone else from taking his spot as top villain on the planet.

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    ball state(i know it is not a regognizable college) in muncie, in. my specialization was in photography. i mostly did black and white digital photography that was changed to incorporate my ideas in photoshop. i also shot and edited a few short films. i made one video and one photograph throughout my entire college career that i actually was satisfied with. i'm only 23 years old. as opposed to popular views of artists, i am humble.

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    Originally posted by galmorzu
    It does have a number for issue 1 in the top right, but not 1 out of 3 (which is what it is) as we might expect.
    Really? Mines on the top-left...

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    Originally posted by eyeballkid72
    anyway, i think art should be really hard for the artist because everything has been done. is it easy to draw a model, yes. is it easy to draw he-man, yes. is it easy to put a chair in the middle of an empty room, yes. is it stupid to do that. of course. unless your name is andy warhol(who sucks!) mass-production of an image has already been tested as an art form. is the new mer-man bust art. heck yea it is! but a comic book?
    All of these forms of art you named are just that... art. Albeit different kinds. But by your standards, because you think some form of art or another is "easy," they shouldn't be considered art? You consider sculpture an art form, so I'm assuming you think it's a difficult craft, but what of others who do it on a regular basis and think it's one of the easiest things in the world? Should they not think what they're doing is art, then?

    It's funny... In my Human Figure classes in college, we had to not only draw the human figure, but sculpt it as well. It was a requirement to take these classes before I could get my degree in Illustration. And, come to think of it, in my Illustration III class, one of our projects was to create a sculpture. Hm... Now why would sculpture be included in an illustration program?

    I'm thinking it's because all of these things are forms of art in some way or another.... Either that, or I have a degree in "fake art."



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    Originally posted by man-with-arms
    I really enjoyed the Eternian Daze comic too.
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    Originally posted by eyeballkid72
    anyway, i think art should be really hard for the artist because everything has been done. is it easy to draw a model, yes. is it easy to draw he-man, yes. is it easy to put a chair in the middle of an empty room, yes. is it stupid to do that. of course. unless your name is andy warhol(who sucks!) mass-production of an image has already been tested as an art form. is the new mer-man bust art. heck yea it is! but a comic book?

    What?!
    I really hope you're joking.
    Art, in any form, it's always hard for the artist.
    It ssn't easy to draw a model, It isn't easy to draw He-Man. It isn't easy to put a chair in the middle of an empty room and say this is art.
    True, now that someone else has done that it's easy to say that it's easy.
    But, personally speaking, I'm a bit offended by all you it's easy!
    I officially invite you to spend a few days with me while I'm doing an issue and see if you can still say "it's easy"!!!!!

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